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Thanks for the game hosts, well hosted and no slip-ups/problems. Good job
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On December 03 2013 12:02 Aquanim wrote:
Corazon you faked a redcheck on a goddamn townie
stop talking shit
I faked a redcheck on a townie that tried really hard to play as scummily as possible because I was mad that I wrote a giant case only to have the lynch derailed when one person writes "I don't like JJD's play"
I ain't talking shit I'm talking the truth
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Also thrawn, fuck you m/225
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On December 03 2013 12:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's hard to analyze this game without mentioning Cora bullying the entire town all game long while simultaneously playing the victim. It made the game hard to watch, I can only imagine how hard it must have been to play. Cora, I think you're a fine person, but you really need to consider whether an argumentative game like Mafia is for you.
My town play should be defined from the end of my outburst on D2 to the end of D2.
D1 I played like shit because of my bad start
Beginning of D2 I got antagonized to death for no reason
After JJD lynch I was too mad to play because this town made 2 dumb lynches in a row and didn't listen to me
Mocsta case was pretty bad but I couldn't see Slam being scum
But for those 12 or so hours I played really well.
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On December 03 2013 12:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 03 2013 12:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's hard to analyze this game without mentioning Cora bullying the entilywn all game long while simultaneously playing the victim. It made the game hard to watch, I can only imagine how hard it must have been to play. Cora, I think you're a fine person, but you really need to consider whether an argumentative game like Mafia is for you. My town play should be defined from the end of my outburst on D2 to the end of D2. D1 I played like shit because of my bad start Beginning of D2 I got antagonized to death for no reason After JJD lynch I was too mad to play because this town made 2 dumb lynches in a row and didn't listen to me Mocsta case was pretty bad but I couldn't see Slam being scum But for those 12 or so hours I played really well. I mean this constructively. Playing well for 12hrs.. means terrible for 100hrs. Mafia is a team game. Individual performances generally do not win games. The quicker you can admit that fake claim was terrible, the quicker you can improve. Further you fake claimed to lynch a townie and green check a scum... There is no way this is a good play..ever
Well I was really confident in my read because Onegu was playing as scummy as hell. After his lynch I was going to say it was a fake-claim.
Mafia isn't a full on team game. It's a game where 2-3 people try and find the scum and everyone else tries to look town and agree to lynch whoever puts the least effort into getting someone else lynched.
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On December 02 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote:What I'm trying to say is: Blame the others for my behavior this game. I was ridiculously frustrated w/ the decision to lynch JJD over Onegu. Why is this: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum More convincing than this: Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. If Thrawn had a thought-out and convincing argument for JJD, I wouldn't be mad. But that is far from the case. I put in more effort to make a case that is 100000 times better than what Thrawn wrote. Why did town listen to Thrawn and not me?
This is still a point and this needs to be brought up again. This town sheeped way too much and didn't even listen to a good argument.
No one read this case until I asked them to. No one tried to poke holes in it. They all just nodded and said we could lynch Onegu until thrawn said "JJD is scum lynch him" and everyone bows down to him and says "OMG THRAWN U R THE GREATEST MAFIA PLAYER EVAR OFC WE WILL LYNCH JJD"
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How am I supposed to feel when that happens?
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On December 03 2013 12:29 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:20 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 02 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote:What I'm trying to say is: Blame the others for my behavior this game. I was ridiculously frustrated w/ the decision to lynch JJD over Onegu. Why is this: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum More convincing than this: On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. If Thrawn had a thought-out and convincing argument for JJD, I wouldn't be mad. But that is far from the case. I put in more effort to make a case that is 100000 times better than what Thrawn wrote. Why did town listen to Thrawn and not me? This is still a point and this needs to be brought up again. This town sheeped way too much and didn't even listen to a good argument. No one read this case until I asked them too. No one tried to poke holes in it. They all just nodded and said we could lynch Onegu until thrawn said "JJD is scum lynch him" and everyone bows down to him and says "OMG THRAWN U R THE GREATEST MAFIA PLAYER EVAR OFC WE WILL LYNCH JJD" ...Corazon, what you've said might be true of the other players in this thread, I don't know what they did. I can only speak for myself. I read your Onegu case. I went and read Onegu's posts for myself. I went and read JarJar's posts for myself. Then I decided that JJD was the lynch more likely to flip scum. As it turns out, neither of them would have done so. I appreciate the effort you put into your case on Onegu, but putting effort in doesn't automatically make you right. Nor does it mean everyone should automatically sheep whoever puts the most effort into their cases (if that was the case, we'd have sheeped Onegu's cases. Can't say I agreed with them either, but there was an assload of effort involved there.) To play this game you have to understand that other people do not think the same way as you and may disagree with you, even if they do not choose to or are unable to post exactly why they disagree with you.
"Hey Cora, I disagree with you on this, this, and this point. I really don't think that this case is enough to convince me"
If I had received a reply that my case was off or bad or wrong in any way I would not have reacted the way I did. However, all I received was.
"I agree with you Corazon, I'm going to wait until Onegu's Mocsta case to see who I'm going to vote for"
Onegu then made a terrible case that both Mocsta and I refuted, and then thrawn comes in and writes 3 sentences about how JJD is scum and then everyone votes for him.
Everyone agreed with my case and then didn't vote Onegu. That doesn't make sense and after JJD's flip I was pretty incensed for this reason. Onegu was a 100x better lynch than JJD and I proved it. Everyone agreed and then they lied to me when they said they thought he was scummy.
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On December 03 2013 12:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
How am I supposed to feel when that happens? it's not about feelings. it's about your wincon. if you're town that means it's about who is scum and who is not. in that scenario you referred to, neither of us were correct. injecting your emotions into the game, especially when they are negative can only decrease the quality of yours and everyone else's logic
Since the town decided they didn't want to listen to me I decided I didn't want to listen to the town. It's not very emotional, it's just treating others the way you are treated.
So next time I want to lynch someone, I'll just write 3 lines and vote for them. Thx for the advice.
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On December 03 2013 12:38 Aquanim wrote:
I agree with you that Onegu's case on Mocsta was terrible (by which I mean it proved nothing about Mocsta), but there were some other posts he made towards the end of D2 (IIRC) which made me question my scumread of him. It was a feeling and as such very difficult to express in the thread but I decided I didn't want to lynch him based on those posts.
Well saying that postgame helps so much doesn't it
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On December 03 2013 12:41 Aquanim wrote:
Also, Corazon, are you claiming Onegu was a better lynch than Holyflare the next day?
My pride says yes
My head says no
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I wrote a TL;DR to my Onegu case that fit very well with the case. At least 2 players admitted that they did not read the case when I asked their feedback on it.
The point still stands that no one said why Onegu wasn't as good of a lynch besides "I get this town vibe from the last few posts" when that could be scum trying to save their hides.
No one said a bad thing about my Onegu case. No one tried to fault my logic. No one told me where I was wrong. That is why I was mad.
I wasn't mad because people weren't agreeing with me, I was made because they told me they agreed with me but they really didn't.
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On December 03 2013 13:28 yamato77 wrote:Believe me, everyone could have played better than they did D1. In a majority lynch, every townie on the wagon is responsible for the mislynch. And even the ones not on the wagon, it's their responsibility to both argue down the townie wagon and propose a viable alternative lynch and make it convincing. Everyone.
That's hard to do when all people can do for the last 12 hours is talking about Rayn. I was busy that day but even if I was in thread there wasn't much I could do to reverse the mob mentality.
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Why do I get blamed for the bad town atmosphere D1 when I played pretty calm. I tried to get Mocsta and Rayn to stop tunneling each other but I wasn't able to do that.
Sure D3 and D4 I fucked up the town atmosphere, but don't make general statements saying I was the problem the whole game when I wasn't.
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And tbh I'm getting way too much blame for the town's loss. Stop calling mafia a team game and then solely blaming Rayn and I for "messing up the town atmosphere".
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On December 03 2013 15:44 yamato77 wrote:
You aren't really reading what I wrote, are you?
I'm reading your advice and I'm trying to decide how much care I should put into my play. If I detach myself emotionally from my play then mentally I will stop trying to win the game.
Did I do anything well this game? All I'm getting from you and everyone else is how shit I am and how caring about the game is bad and how scummy I looked the entire game and tbh I really don't care anymore about how shit I played this game.
D1 I played bad but I did not mess w/town atmosphere - don't generalize my play
D2 I played really well and tried better to establish my towniness which I think I did a really good job of by pushing my Onegu read
D3/D4 I basically thought the scumteam was Chezinu/Onegu/HF and none of the three were proving me otherwise, so I stopped trying
Maybe it's because everytime I try and steer town off of a mislynch and they don't listen to me is the reason I get so mad every game. I don't enjoy being mad and maybe you all should look at the causes of my anger before saying 'OMG CORA U R SUCH A DICK AND YOU SOLELY MAKE TOWN ATMOSPHERE BAD '
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On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote:@Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up: On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi. No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that. You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu? Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch. Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. Show nested quote +<Insert Corazon post>
This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum.
<No vote> Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say.
Also this is a cause for my anger.
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Yeah I'm done talking about this game. No one has any sympathy for how I feel and everyone uses my reactions as a way to indulge in their self-pity (Onegu, I'm looking at you) and continues to bash me without thinking about how I would feel from my PoV.
I can only take comfort in the fact that at least I understand what is going through my head when I play mafia.
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Last post in the thread, cause I'm still getting called a dick for no reason. Love you guys
@Onegu
Before you call me a dick for the way I treated you this game, I yet again implore you to look at things through my eyes. You played super scummy the entire game. You put almost zero effort into the thread unless your were being attacked directly. You never tried to find scum outside of your terrible cases that were illogical and not very well reasoned. Why was I scum based only on things from D1? You basically brought all of the same arguments back and failed to look at anything else I had done this game. You went on and basically said all of the same things that I had said trying to get your lynch "Corazon is 100% scum" blah blah blah
You even made a point against me where you tried to make 2 hours equal 11 hours. It was fucking pathetic and your failure to establish your townieness yet again was a major factor in the reason the town lost. Do you understand this? We spent 3 days talking about you because the town refused to lynch you but you never took any attempts to seriously scum hunt or establish your townieness. You just tunneled me and dicked around for 3 days. As someone who puts massive effort into their games, it annoys me when I see someone not care and ruin it for everyone else. And that is why I'm mad at you.
This isn't the third grade. You don't get a medal just for participating. Your play is open to just as much criticism as mine. If you can't handle it, don't play this game.
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