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On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.
The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? Because you fail at BBCode Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table.
I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's.
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On November 26 2013 05:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.
The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? Because you fail at BBCode Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table. I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's. All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom.
You mean the part where you go
1 analysis
2 analysis
3 analysis
and so on?
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On November 26 2013 05:54 Onegu wrote:
Its mocsta who failed at bbc code in his spoiler btw not me
Well I wrote that post you quoted because I thought it was a case on me. If you were reading you would've seen that I realized that.
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On November 26 2013 06:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:52 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 05:52 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote:On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.
The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? Because you fail at BBCode Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table. I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's. All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom. You mean the part where you go 1 analysis 2 analysis 3 analysis and so on? Yeah thats me at the bottom with the numbers, the rest is mocstas case that you had already responded to. Just trying to see why you didnt know they were the exact same points already brought up against you and that you responded to.
Because the BBCode was so bad I didn't know what was yours and what was Mocsta's. You're not going anywhere with this.
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On November 26 2013 06:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 05:54 Onegu wrote:
Its mocsta who failed at bbc code in his spoiler btw not me Well I wrote that post you quoted because I thought it was a case on me. If you were reading you would've seen that I realized that. Trust me Im reading very close. You wont like what I found since I will prove you are scum, since its 4am Im going to give you the big things now, and do a full case like mocsta where I dont cherrypick and show all your scummyness tomorrow, but since I am now right onto the real scumteam I might be shot tonight. Preview + Show Spoiler + Mocsta, cDgCorazon, rean/alakaslam
LOL
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Haha Onegu, it's so cute how you are feigning activity and scum-hunting.
Watch when Mocsta and I don't die and then HF/Onegu start calling us the scum team. It's gonna be too easy to figure out who is scum.
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On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?
Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No.
Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched.
Town has to find reasons that people are scum.
Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum.
The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum.
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On November 26 2013 06:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one? Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No. Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched. Town has to find reasons that people are scum. Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum. The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum. Why dont you like votes on people?
Why do you insist on twisting my words? You're trying to get me to forget that I didn't say all of the shit you are affirming I said. I said "I don't like votes two hours into a game". Look at my post, that is what I said almost verbatim.
I don't like votes two hours into a game because votes should be an intention to lynch. If they are thrown around for pressure, it just takes the bite out of them. If someone throws their vote around a lot, why should I take them seriously when they vote for me? I would know that they are very likely to throw their vote off of me quickly.
Now Onegu, it's your turn to answer a question. Why did you just take one post I made and come up with two conclusions that are not obviously right if you were reading the entire post?
Either
a)You didn't read the post well enough (which is scummy)
or
b)You're trying to twist my words and make me lookscummier (which is basically lying and fabricating evidence, two very obvious scum tells)
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Please read the time stamp for this post.
On November 20 2013 11:59 GMarshal wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Day 1 Thirteen men gathered around GMarshal's casket. Its odd, how a man, in death, is nothing more than a cadaver, a figure of muted reverence, quickly forgotten, weather in life his name invoked horror and reverence or scorn and disgust. The thirteen men spoke in hushed tones around the casket. The body wasn't cold yet, but politics were politics, a successor must be chosen. A truce made in the intrim. One man however wasn't as calm as the others. ObviousOne was rather noticeably nervous, in contrast to the rest of the men, long driblets of sweat streaked down his face. The rest of the men didn't notice, or at least pretended not to. The gathering slowly dissolved, one man at the time peeling away from the group, the meeting time for the next day decided, only ObviousOne having remained behind. The gathering, at dawn of the next day, was a burlesque recreation of the previous nights gathering, except for twelve men instead of thirteen, and a different corpse. ObviousOne's bullet riddled body on the table. One of the men grunted "We have a problem." A silence fell over the room as the facts were laid out, among the twelve men here were three who didn't have the families' best interests in mind. Not only did the men here have to decide on who would lead them and keep the families from turning on each other and the city into a bloodbath, but they also had to find the cops who dared attend this most private of meetings. It would not prove to be easy.
GMarshal the Padrino has died of "natural causes" ObviousOne the Police Sting Coordinator has died of lead poisoning. It is day 1! You have 48 hours to determine who to lynch! Remember you need a majority. Vote in this thread in the proper format.
And the time stamp for my other post.
25 hours and 16 minutes passed. Not 2 hours and 16 minutes. That is your third lie in about 15 minutes.
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On November 26 2013 06:48 Onegu wrote:
##Dunked
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Just kidding, I can't count.
It was 11 hours and 16 minutes. Not 2 hours 16 minutes.
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But still
On November 26 2013 06:48 Onegu wrote:
##Dunked
Please concede
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On November 26 2013 06:58 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". November 21 2013 01:00 Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:On Aqua (again): My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.I still want an answer to this from you: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. November 21 2013 01:16 Soooo 16minutes apart.
Yeah. That was about 11 hours after the game started. I had my whole exchange with sciberia and I went to bed. When I woke up, I responded to all the crap about me not voting sci and blah blah blah and then I read the thread and voted for Aqua. Your point is invalid because in order for it to be valid, you needed to hope that I didn't realize that I didn't make this post 2 hours after the game started.
Only scum would try to convince the thread that 2=11 when it actually doesn't.
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Ah, the sound of scum's arguments being squashed is like music to my ears.
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On November 26 2013 07:11 Onegu wrote:
Anyway now 5am, you can thank me for solveing the game with a mafia shot. If not Full case on cora for day 3 believe me there is so much more like the part in his filter where he claims to be not reading. Says my case on mocsta is great but we shouldnt lynch mocsta d2. There is a part in there where he talks about me not careing but words it from a scum PoV. Also you need to look at his post about it being difficult for him to vote rayn. And thats not even includeing his cases.
Plus I truely think he is being such a ass in this game as scum agenda, I cannot believe he is town and acting the way he has been.
Anyway sleep now way past my bedtime thats what I get for staying up reading his 14 page filter and tldr every post in my notebook and add my thoughts. Pics postgame, have mocstas also, but coras is bigger. That sounded bad.
Ok sleep
Baby seals.
"Corazon just owned me and I don't want to talk about the 3 lies I just told but I swear I have a better case on Corazon and another case on Mocsta"
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Ok, can I explain why Onegu's interaction with me was a full on scumclaim? Unlike others, I'm not talking about the writing style or the words used, I'm talking about the facts presented in his posts.
First of all:
On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?
This is the first example of him fabricating evidence. He mentions multiple times how I said that I did not like cases within the first two hours of the game. This is 100% lie. I clearly stated that I only did not like votes 2 hours into the game. I said absolutely nothing about cases in that post. Why does he come to the conclusion that I don't like cases either? He is trying to turn the facts against me to form a case against me. This is a super scummy thing to do.
Then, he changes his attack to "Corazon does not like votes at all".
On November 26 2013 06:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one? Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No. Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched. Town has to find reasons that people are scum. Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum. The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum. Why dont you like votes on people?
Pretty much self-explanatory here. Why does he change his point of attack? He knows that I caught him lying so he tries to change his interpretation on the fly and continue to pressure me. This isn't a scum-hunting technique, this is a technique where he is desperate to find something scummy about me so he cuts all of the lies out until he can find something scummy.
Lastly, he decides to continue to spring his "trap" even though it's pretty obvious his bait is completely phony.
His version of the story: I make the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game at exactly two hours into the game. Then I make the vote on Aqua 16 minutes later (which means that I would have contradicted myself in 2 straight posts).
What actually is the truth: I made the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game 11 hours into the game. I then vote Aqua 11 hours and 16 minutes. The proof for this is in the thread. I showed him the timestamp for the beginning of the game and I compared it to the post that he quoted. 11 hours and 16 minutes.
What does Onegu then do? He knows he is caught in a really bad situation, so he just pretends that I never completely stomped his case and peaces out. How is that anything close to a townie response?
Onegu needs to be the lynch tomorrow. He told three lies in a 15 minute span and if you let him survive past D3 then this town deserves to lose.
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I'm gonna post some final thoughts before the deadline:
First of all, I am an investigator and I am checking Onegu tonight. While I'm pretty sure that he is scum, there's no more time to play around and I need to make 100% sure that Onegu is either scum or town. Once we get him out of the way (whether it's from a green check or from lynching him), this game becomes a lot clearer. The evidence points overwhelmingly towards Onegu being scum and I want to get a confirmation of his scumminess so the town can have a clear direction
Once Onegu is out of the way, here are the order of people I want to lynch:
HF's claim unfounded
Chezinu
Thrawn
To be honest, I really think the scumteam is Onegu/Chezinu/HF but if one of those is disproven, I have to look at my shakiest town read. That happens to be thrawn. I have a lot more faith in my other town reads (Sciberia (I got a green check on him night 1), Aqua, Mocsta, Berift, and Alakaslam, in that order) than I do in my thrawn read. I've talked a little bit about how he is suspicious but once we get that far down the totem pole, I will look more into thrawn.
I'm open for questions until the deadline.
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On November 26 2013 11:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
cor why do you think bereft is town?
Bereft is town because of his activity Day 2 and his contributions to the discussion, which I felt were moving the thread forward. It looked like he was trying to move the thread forward and find the best lynch.
Plus I just have a good feeling about Bereft.
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My flavor btw:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Private Detective (Town Investigator). You were the bright one in the family and was able to attend criminology school with the help of the "legitimate" side of your family's business. Your role in the family is to find the undercover cops so your business can stay clean and your family's "interests" remain undisturbed. Once per night, you can submit a name to the hosts and receive a message back saying whether your target is an honest Mobster or an undercover Cop. Crush those who would bring down the family "business"
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I'm sorry I have to eat dinner. Brb 15-20 minutes sorry
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