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More serious than this
On November 25 2013 02:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm too meta for this game tbh you just don't get why yet.
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On November 25 2013 02:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 02:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game? He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out. I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think?
So you still want to lynch Mocsta for pushing the Rayn lynch? You haven't talked about anyone you want to lynch for about 30 or so hours.
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TBH I'm 60% sure this day is going to end in a no-lynch. No one can agree with each other and scum are probably just sitting in their QT laughing at us.
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On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote:
i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib?
This is Chezinu's role from personality 2. Kita basically took his Personality and made it into a role:
On March 12 2013 12:06 kitaman27 wrote:wherebugsgo as Chezinu has been lynched. Show nested quote +You are Chezinu! You are the valiant leader of the Brown and shall purify the town of the treacherous blues. Once per cycle, you will be given a power to interact and direct your allies. Their identities, however, will not be revealed. In addition, you may survive one night hit. You win when the Brown outnumber all other players. Hidden: Allies are actually non-existant. Chezinu is just crazy. True win condition is surviving until the end of the game.
1) Declaration of War - Allows a cryptic message or video to to put into the night post
2) Rally Cry - PM is sent to all other members with your identity and instructions for them to follow
3) Green and Red make Brown - Is informed (falsly) that a random town and scum have joined their cause and is given to random clues to point to their identities.
4) Strengtheing the Cause - May select a member to invite to join the Brown . You are not informed if they accept or reject your invitation. (invitation is never sent out and is always rejected)
5) A Moment of Sanity - Learns actual win condition+ Show Spoiler +House of Chezinu Weclome to the House of Chez! There are many schools of thought on how one must play the game of mafia. This thread will serve to establish the school of thought founded by Chezinu Isunizehc. Here one may post questions or scenarios to understand how the school would approach or solve a problem.
Below I will summarize building blocks that this school of thought is built upon. As the topic is discussed, the content will be updated and modified for clarityI. The Unreadable Persona
The importance of creating an unreadable persona is to protect your character from getting killed early game by people who can see right through you. If you live longer, you have more time to read other players and strategize.
II. Reaction Reading
The school’s primary methods of discovering a player’s role is through reaction reading. The most efficient technique is through private messaging where you can loosen the guard of your victim. You do this in fun. You start to make jokes and troll around to not only prevent the victim from reading you but to also cause their guard to be lowered. If they think you are just having a grand ole time, they will not be working hard to cover their face. That is when you ask strange and seemingly unrelated questions to get a read. There are many factors to consider when analyzing their reaction including their current mood, your relationship, thread events, and their mind. If private messages are not allowed, you will have to cause chaos in the thread in order to read this. This strategy may cause some dislike which will have to be combated by entertainment, which will be discussed in detailed later. Creating a fantasy world that includes the current events of the game is a great way to attract certain players. If you create a world where you hire employees, mafia may apply for jobs to either get inside information or to pose as a resourceful townie. It gives them an opportunity to post something in the thread if they don’t have anything productive to say. Reaction reading is also a great time to scare the mafia through taunts by claiming you know their roles both publically and privately. Let them know, that you know even if you do not. Also, act confident and pretend you are protected by a medic. This fluff will save you.
III. Communicating Reads Unscathed
The best method is to communicate your reads to a player whom you think is town. This way they can convince town to lynch your targets without you talking heat from mafia or town. Plus, they will trust for being selected to receive your reads. If private messages are allowed, you can simply explain your reads clearly to the recipient. If you cannot message them privately, you will have to find alternative means by posting in the thread without alerting other players. Encryption, code words, stories, stereograms, and riddles are of the most useful methods to portray one's reads without bringing too much attention to oneself (just make sure the recipient can understand the content of these messages). The attention these techniques will bring will be focused on your character and personality. Most people will just ignore the content of your posts and call the useless. However, whether one should use these techniques depends on the atmosphere of the game, which brings us to the next point.
IV. Dynamics of the Game
The game is always changing. The same strategy may not work twice. One must be flexible enough to adjust behavior in order to survive the maximum length of days. Studying the behavior of the players both in and out of the game is of utmost importance. You must monitor the atmosphere of the game to make sure your actions do not break the boundaries of the players or the host.
V. Relationships
Building great relationships with other players will further your lifespan. For it is easier to lynch a stranger than those closest to you. Be sure not to come across as a flatter. Bad guys do that. Be honest. If you truly <3 someone, let them know. It is ok to let someone know if they make you sad. Be real. Don’t get angry. Only pretend to be angry if it is funny. Be humorous. If you are entertaining the crowd, they will not want to see you leave. For the sole purpose of playing the game initially for most players is to have fun. Be fun. If successful, not only will you live longer, but the atmosphere of the game will change for the better (see point IV). Forming relationship will also help you enjoy your time during breaks when you are isolated in your room with no one to talk to. If you find yourself bored and lonely, you can create a thread like this (or interact in one) in order to prepare for your next upcoming game. For you know that when you leave, the threads will die and be bored without your entertainment.
VI. Loop-hole Galore
Once the game has started, it is good to read your role or the op at some point. When one does this is up to their own discretion. When looking at roles or the op, try to find loop holes. Strategies the host does not expect. You may find some powers that you can exploit. When in a crisis, always double check your roles and rules of the game to ensure there is a way out. You may find an unexpected role that can bus you out of a situation or find that you have an unlimited amount of ammo. However, the success of this method depends on the host (point IV). If your host is a rule follower, you will get bussed and be saved. If you host is a spirit follower, you may find yourself out of bullets. You must use caution and not let your creative mind bring you too much hope in a deadly hour.
VII. Style before Victory
Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them. Winning the game as lurker is no fun at all, especially when you are mafia. Most of town will not remember that it was you who caused their demise, unless you send them the right message such as spelling GOSU with your night kills and sniping all of the blues roles. However, you must not limit your style to secrets. The reward of winning tastes so much better if you fool the town as one of the most active members. Be creative. Create your own theme if appropriate (point IV) or latch on to another’s, they will appreciate the addition to their fantasy (point V).
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@Onegu
1)A scum would play to the constrictions that they had enforced on themselves due to being afraid of being hypocritical. Townies would not care and do whatever is needed to lynch scum. That why Mocsta giving up his post restriction is null at worst, town at best.
2)Yeah I misread that post. I'll withdraw that point.
3)That post accomplishes nothing. What were you trying to do with that post? Are you calling him scum for talking about ongoing games? Are you trying to solve the game? No. That post just shits up the thread.
4)"You're right but whatevs" is not a very good defense. If you weren't caught up on the thread, you shouldn't have flip-flopped your read. Your post is just shitting up the thread then.
5)Your switch on Rayn is worse than Mocsta's switches for reasons I've talked about already (Mocsta's vote-switches can't be analyzed too heavy due to a lack of a flip). Your vote switch on Rayn looks like scum deciding to hop on the wagon and then realizing it might be better to be off of it.
My TL;DR
1)I got this point from the first post on Rean where you called him scummy for not explaining himself and then go on to not explain yourself.
2)This point is a bit blunted because I misread on #2, but you still contradicted yourself on the first post on Rean.
3)Your agenda to only focus on Mocsta until your Bereft case is pretty scummy. Especially since you failed to explain your read in-depth on Mocsta until D2, after you had spent >36 hours calling him scum for very weak reasons.
4)It's subjective but it looks really obvious to me. Why haven't you voted on your cases? I'm very curious to know.
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EBWOP: Ok you voted for Mocsta. Do you still believe that Bereft is scum? If so, why is Mocsta a better lynch than Bereft in your opinion? (I think they're both bad lynches today).
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@Chezinu
Which traitor does the brown empire/army/whatever it is want to lynch today?
@HF
Once again, I implore you to give me a scumread. Tell me who you want to vote and vote for them. "I'm doctor so I'm exempt from playing" isn't an excuse.
@everyone else
We all need to get in the thread and start talking again. We have <9 hours until the lynch and if we don't lynch anyone today we are going to fall so far behind. We have too many question marks in HF/Onegu/Chezinu (via jampi) to not get any information out of this day. Let's make a lynch happen.
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@Onegu
So this:
On November 25 2013 02:36 Bereft wrote:##Unvotei'll let this HF thing play out. instead, i'll go with: ##Vote: MocstaShow nested quote +On November 25 2013 00:10 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 23:57 Bereft wrote:hi mocsta, i saw you sent me some discussion prompters last night. i promise i'll get to them. but first, i wanted to address this: On November 24 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote:@Mocsta So here I am most definitely the best lynch today: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote:I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote##Vote: SciberbiaIf someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. And here 4 hours later I'm not even in your top 4. + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today.
jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote
##unvote
##votte: jarjardrinks
Nobody "did a filter dive while you were gone" and proved I was town, so what's the reasoning for this? nothing. you constantly make me paranoid with absense. so I make a point against you and you alleviate that paranoia. painful but true. gonna be out for 3 to 4 hrs now. if you want anything else, lemme k ow can you please expand on what specifically alleviated your concerns on sciberia? you say that it's his absence that made you paranoid. but in your actual vote, you make no mention that his absence is a concern: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote:I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote##Vote: SciberbiaIf someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. furthermore, you said this: On November 24 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote:
If anything
Bereft pointer between the two games where I am confirmed scum; indicates I am town this game.
(1)
When referring to onegu, i call him tunneled and then imemdiately ask him questions to try and probe his alignment.
(2)
When referring to Artanis, I call him tunnel, discredit him and then suggest him to go look for scum elsewhere.
Two extremely different approaches to the same issue (someone tunneling me as scum). The difference in approach is due to motive.
In (2) I just want to get the heat off me. In (1) I am actually trying to figure out if this guy is sincere in his tunnel to justify lack of contribution. is this not an attempt at discrediting my opinion? On November 24 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:
really bereft??
seriously, post game I would love to know what is so scummy about my play.
regardless of how I play scum personally, I don't even see how what I'm pushing is scummy?
I get poor play - and I'm extremely time poor this weekend. maybe ibshouldnt try to be a thread driver, but I see no one else taking ownership to move the thread forward
why does it take until a vote is thrown for people to come out of the woodworks.
its ok. I don't think u r scum though. when unconfident its normal to become paranoid.
ciao 2. no thats not a discredit. thats me stating I find you to be not confident in tpyour reads. discredit would be to call you a noon and insinuate younpack scum hunting capability. my point was, when uncertain its easy to jump over anything that doesn't agree with your opinion.,,, notice I have done that a lot this cycle. hence, I think you are unconfident town, rather than scum taking an opportune moment to discredit me 1. I can't really explain it. hes sitting in this awkward zone for me where he seems to care about the lynch. but is inactive enough not to have thread presence to campaign. I.e, ideal lblending spot for scum, if there is active svum in this game. by virtue of activity it would be sciberbisa.can cross that bridge when one scum is left thoguh are any of you buying what he's selling? i am very unsatisfied by his excuses for why he almost tripped over himself backpedaling from the sciberia vote.
is a bus?
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What happens if I do this?
##unvote
##Vote: Thrawn
JJD/Aqua/Thrawn need to de-lurk. Now.
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Ok it's a bit early for Aqua but the other two need to stop lurking.
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While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.
In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:
a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights
or
b)be lynched due to his behavior
A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.
I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.
Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching?
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On November 25 2013 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hi Corazon.
Chezinu! Look into my eyes.. what do you see? What lies beyond them, and what are they reflecting?
Do you plan on buddying everyone in this game?
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Lol this game is over.
Alakaslam isn't going to read the game.
Chezinu isn't going to read the game.
HF isn't going to play, only going to hide under his doc claim.
Thrawn isn't going to play, only going to buddy everyone.
JJD/Bereft/Onegu/Sciberia aren't active enough (over the course of the entire game, Onegu is doing better though)
@Aqua/Moc
Let's just vote all of these guys out systematically? Then we can have a 3-way Mexican standoff if we haven't killed the scum yet.
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I'll pile on JJD in the interest of consolidation. I don't think he is super townie and I don't want to lynch him that much but anything is better than a no-lynch.
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On November 25 2013 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cor the only reason I haven't joined your Onegu wagon is because I don't have any confidence that I can pick him out when he's scum. I just now read his case and it didn't make me feel anything at all about his alignment. The same goes for the rest of his filter. I don't know if it's language barrier or what, but I am never confident reading him no matter if I think he's town or scum. I honestly don't know how to make that call and if I end up voting him, it will mostly be a process of elimination and consolidation vote.
I told you to have more of a thread presence today and you've failed to do that. It's detrimental to town.
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@Thrawn
Look at my last 24 hours of posts. You haven't been there and I've been trying to get shit done. I warned you that my spotlight would be on you after D1 if you didn't step up your contributions. You haven't, so we are at this point now.
No one else seriously wants to lynch Onegu
Lynching HF is a risk
I wasn't sure we were planning on lynching Chezinu/Slam
I don't want to lynch Mocsta/Aqua
All of this means that I have to look at other options. You were the first one to pop in my head. I got my point across; you suddenly de-lurked and now we are having conversation again
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I'm gonna go do some homework. I'll be checking into the thread every once in a while.
@Mocsta
When you get back into the thread, please explain the reasoning behind your random vote switches. Thank you.
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Jk my homework isn't due until Wednesday. I'm gonna go watch Red Bull lol
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@Thrawn
Your case was really hasty and not very well researched. You made a small scum read and didn't even follow it up with proof or anything. You just say "I don't like this, I don't like that". You're not trying to convince us that JJD is scum (at least until this last post) and you're not trying to follow through on your read.
On your last post, I think it's a pretty town response from JJD
Scum would try to discredit and attack the person
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument
It's obvious that JJD took the latter approach (he made absolutely no mention of YOU being scum, only your arguments being wrong) and that's why I have a good feeling about him.
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On November 25 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:you're missing the main point of what I just said. here's what your post should be Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 07:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scum would try to discredit and attack the person (this is what he did, trying to discredit me by calling me a liar, but not scum)
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument as well as being suspicious of the person attacking them
Go read those quotes again. Does it look like JJD thinks I'm mafia? He IS trying to discredit me by making fun of my cases and calling me a liar, but he is NOT calling me scum. He is trying to make me look bad, and therfore make my case look bad, without having to stick his neck out by calling me mafia. If he's town, and thought I was lying about him and making really terrible cases he would be suspicious of my motives. He was not suspicious, he was only interested in making me look bad.
Maybe he thinks you are just misguided town?
Town can make bad cases too, not just scum.
I think he is trying to make only your case look bad, and you are making the incorrect conclusion that he is trying to make you look bad also. Your lynch isn't on his agenda, so I'm more inclined to think that he just thinks you are town making a bad case, which isn't too far off if you are town.
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