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On January 03 2014 07:36 JonnyLaw wrote:
Dunno why balla cares so much anyway. He's confirmed scum.

On January 06 2014 07:34 chinstrap wrote:


Sounds like overeager towncred grabbing scum play to me.

##Vote: Balla24

On January 06 2014 07:59 chinstrap wrote:


I was mid drafting a post very similar to your second paragraph but the NFL playoffs can be distracting.

Anti lurking environment is great, randomly policy lynching lurkers is not.

However a policy debate is also highly distracting. So lets get past that and concentrate on finding dem sucummers.

Ps. I never mess around!

On January 06 2014 11:22 Balla24 wrote:
Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far.

Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him.

On January 06 2014 21:03 Day_Walker wrote:
At the risk of playing into the "Day_Walker and theDragoon are protecting each other because they are both scum" read, what do you make of theDragoon standing up for Asuna?



Off the top of my head I can think of only two scenarios where this is consistent with theDragoon scum AND Asuna townie:
1) Scum are protecting some townies to make things harder to read.
2) Scum are trying to make it easier to play the "I'm a newbie" card.

On January 07 2014 05:28 Balla24 wrote:
That's exactly how i was thinking OWB... however i'm trying to avoid thinking about scum pairs atm, as it IS day 1 and we have no confirmed scum yet. It is good to note though.

On January 07 2014 05:59 Asuna wrote:
Huh, I wasn't expecting dragoon to instavote owb after a small timeline messup (since votes are understood to be 100% serious). Not sure what to think about that...


I'm assuming dragoon is one, but who's #2?


And what's this about o.O confused D:

On January 07 2014 06:36 Balla24 wrote:
So you don't find it suspicious that he was so enamored with Day_walker and that he came up with a NULL read on you?

What about his read on me, you're becoming more suspicious of me so is what he said aligned with your thinking?

@OWB: Was Day_walker/Dragoon the only connection you found? Let's hear anything else in regards to connections like that since that was how you seemed to be hunting. I found a few more weak connections, but i'd like you to prove that you were actually hunting and you didn't just find ONE thing to latch onto.

On January 07 2014 07:02 theDragoon wrote:


What do you think of Derrida giving Day_Walker the green light and have COMPLETE TRUST in him? You label Day_Walker and I as scum because I "seemingly trusted and turned by back on him so we can distance ourselves". I don't think you're reading my posts at all since I have never trusted Day_Walker ONCE. I'll know when you start reading my posts when you remove that vote on me. I still want you to prove the part where I gave my trust in Day_Walker and pinpoint the exact moment where I try to "distance myself" from him.

On January 08 2014 01:02 TheChyz wrote:
Everybody has to start to make up their mind. IMO Dragoon himself has not cleared his name, the person that has done that for him is DW. His so called defense after the martyr to me felt like garbage and he has done almost nothing to help scumhunt. The current vote on dnyarri IS in fact useless because apart from the votes onto him, there is no information to be gained whatsoever. However Dragoon has played a terrible game and has done nothing productive to the town, infact all he has done is cause confusion (as well as DW), which in this case is worse than dnyarri. His allignment will also say SO much more than dnyarri's will

From the beginning of the game Dragoon and DW have been defending themselves and it has been very suspicious. Personally I just thing DW knows too much and my vote would be on him because regardless if for some reason Dragoon ends up being town, DW will use the "i told you card". He seems very adamant on dnyarri, but it seems to me like he is just hoping that since I voted for him I would be able to help lead the bandwagon on the lurker or somebody else will. To me I find that DW has also barely helped town scum hunt in the fact that he just tries to attack everybody in the game but only a little bit, never with a vote, and has been defensive about Dragoon from the start. Too much defending Dragoon and not enough scum hunting.

##Vote: Day_Walker

On January 08 2014 07:09 chinstrap wrote:
I didnt necessarily agree with the dnyarri lynch but theDragonn was 110% town after his final post

On January 08 2014 07:14 Balla24 wrote:


I'm not in this camp... wtf? Posts right before you get lynched are totally WIFOM... mafia always does that, so does town clearly... the only thing thats different is he listed in order people from scummy to least scummy. But beyond that? Nah cmon...

On January 09 2014 00:29 suki wrote:
OnlyWonderBoy:

I think the tD/DW scumbuddy theory was a bit farfetched, and even theDragoon felt it was pushed too far. As the third person on theDragoon's list of people who pursued that argument, I feel like it's prudent to look into OnlyWonderBoy.

On the last minute switch:
+ Show Spoiler +

One thing that stands out to me is that OWB has talked about only three people: Derrida, Dragoon and Day_Walker

His impression on Derrida seems to be neutral so far, and that he thinks Derrida's early Day 1 play seems influenced more by inexperience than scumminess.

He was third to vote for theDragoon which I feel is a point in his favour, although his reasoning is based on the td/DW theory:



I think he was the one to first throw out the idea that tD and DW were trying to distance themselves from each other. He doesn't state any other reasons to suspect either tD or DW. Just before the end of the day, he states:



He is doubting that tD and DW are a pair. He states "If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear", but he follows that up with "he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way" which implies that he finds the DW's hard defense of tD suspicious in itself.

When he last-minute switches to dnyarri (following Jonny's lead), he says he "wanted DW over Dragoon anyway".

Nothing stands out to me in OWB's filter as particularly scummy so I'm going to rate him as neutral at the moment, although I'm not liking the fact that the only analysis he's contributed against tD/DW is on the scum buddy theory.

to OnlyWonderBoy: I really want to hear your thoughts on what went down. I also want to see more analysis on why you wanted Day_Walker over theDragoon in Day 1, and what your thoughts on him are after the flip.

I want to hear your top scum picks because so far your only suspects have been theDragoon and Day_Walker.

On January 10 2014 02:12 Balla24 wrote:
Yeah, sidesprang was one of my weaker relationships. Sidesprang never mentioned derrida once in his entire time until he died. That indicates there IS a relationship. Derrida was relatively hard on Sidesprang the entire game, BUT it was very easy to fake, especially in his first post where he gives him red...

He never really acts on it. Definitely probably not worth writing off.

On January 09 2014 02:15 Day_Walker wrote:
I don't like Derrida's post, and I'm going to bed.

On January 09 2014 02:33 Day_Walker wrote:


Also because it is full of statements which are factually incorrect. You have not read the thread carefully.

On January 11 2014 02:58 Balla24 wrote:
@OWB how do you justify having DW as a scum read yet you continue to vote dnyarri even though DW wanted dnyarri lynched yesterday?

On January 17 2014 08:40 Balla24 wrote:


Makes me sad I enjoyed playing with you and thanks for filling the game up :D but yeah if you don't enjoy it no reason to play it ^_^

Have a good one OWB you'll be missed.