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Basically I had two reasons and both are related to real life. Real life reasons cannot be checked by other players so I don't really enjoy reading them or giving them but since I can't anwer your question in any other way, I'll tell you:
One reason I already told to TheChyz on D2:
Note: I joined this game before Christmas holiday and believed that game would have started earlier. Instead, it started on my last day of holiday when I was already busy. In addition, I underestimated how much time mafia would consume and retrospectively shouldn't have confirmed.
But weekend has been easier so I have been able to contribute more. Game is still messing my sleep patterns though 
The other reason is psychological. I felt very insecure from the start when I saw huge number of pages. I hadn't made good posts on D1 and N1 I didn't say anything. All that time I felt like I was huge disappointment to everyone and felt very unwanted person. I was seriously hoping that vigilante would shoot me N1 to end my pain. I didn't really care to defend myself since people had good reasons to lynch me. D2 I thought that people were going to lynch me but I didn't really want people to do another mislynch and least I could do is at least answer some questions. And I'd hate to be leaver. The more I was asked, the more I felt like I wasn't hated. I got more confident. At N2 and D3 I was attacked by BigDad and TheChyz and in both cases I felt that they grossly misrepresented me and I had to defend myself. This time I was confident of myself.
I have to say that I've started to enjoy game of mafia since D2. I still think it takes too much time to play properly so this will probably be my first and last game.
Unfortunately I will have exam in mathematics next Wednesday so I will be busier from now on. At least I have confidence to post now so I will be posting.
So these are the reasons. I hope you'll believe them me when I'm dead or when game has ended  .
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Day 3 vote count:
BigDad (2): suki, Day_Walker
TheChyz (2): Asuna, dnyarri
Asuna (1): TheChyz
Not voting (3): chinstrap, BigDad, sidesprang
Currently, TheChyz is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Monday, Jan 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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Yes finally some actual posts. Hopefully this short amount of posting but with lots of analysis continues. I agree I may look a little scummy now but hopefully people pick up this pattern I am doing of reckless aggression.
Anyways I am loving asuna's response (apart from coming out) and dnyarri's aswell. The only logical possiblity atm is that there is no sk unless it is asuna (highly unlikely i think). With asuna's claim, that makes 3 town power roles guaranteed leaving the option just 2 goons and 1 roleblocker for scum which makes the most sense. The only other possible option is if there are 2 more town power roles meaning 1goon, 1 rb, and 1 gf (but this is highly unlikely imo).
Currently I think asuna, dnyarri, chinstrap, myself are town. With a 6v2 right now that makes it only having to pick out a pair out of the remaining 4. Those being DW, suki, bigdad, and sidesprang. From these 4 I would also include suki into the list of town people because of the active scum hunting that she always seems to be doing and I find the analysis to be thought through (even if I might not agree with all of it). So atm my scum picks would be (in order) DW, sidesprang, then bigdad.
The most obvious scum team to me seems like DW, sidesprang now just beccause sidesprang just put me and bigdad on the scum team when a paragraph before that he says "Reasoning for me not mentioning BigDad is just because he has been under my radar. But I'm sure if you look you will find more ppl I did not mention? In general I dont talk about people I dont have reads on". So even tho he has no read on him he is on the scum team? That's really off. Along with that sidesprang has "not been comfortable lynching" DW. And also DW was quick to have dnyarri + asuna + derrida scum team the moment when dnyarri started attacking sidesprang. It's fairly common for a scum to put another scum in one of the scum team pairs since it might give credibility later on and DW doesn't really accuse derrida of being scummy, more that his posts are awkward but doesn't really push derrida hard at all. I'm most comfortable with a DW or sidesprang lynch today (mostly DW still).
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On January 13 2014 05:38 TheChyz wrote:
Yes finally some actual posts. Hopefully this short amount of posting but with lots of analysis continues. I agree I may look a little scummy now but hopefully people pick up this pattern I am doing of reckless aggression.
Anyways I am loving asuna's response (apart from coming out) and dnyarri's aswell.
On January 12 2014 13:17 TheChyz wrote:
Ok so at the moment we have a one-shot vigi and innocent child confirmed as well as a goon. Im assuming that there are no vigi's or masons (since they are very unlikely), and f there are please come on out. That means that out of the 7 power roles, 2 are gone. That means there are power roles left. If they all belong to scum that means their powerroles are only 1 goon, 1 GF, and 1 SK. That means there is NO ROLEBLOCKER. In which case Asuna is lying. I think that now is a good time to come out with a role if you have one. Because if there is no other town roles, ASUNA IS LYING and is either GF or SK. The cool part is that if I am correct nobody should fake claim since asuna will be alone (if either mafia or sk).
##Vote: Asuna
Role claim now. I am Vanilla Townie.
???? My vote is not moving from TheChyz. I'm calling a bad scum play on this.
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Also @dnyarri, interesting points about TheChyz-BigDad. I think I'm leaning more towards their combination now. My reason for suspecting you was rather weak compared to what you laid out.
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Thanks.
I'm going to bed. I will be here posting, but I'm not sure at what times. I really don't want to miss D3.
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warning wall of text... sorry!
My case on theChyz (sorry i didn't get this into the nightpost, i had an action packed weekend)
I'll start with Asuna's analysis of theChyz then move onto what I had previously:
On January 12 2014 13:49 Asuna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 13:44 TheChyz wrote:
7 powerroles, 2 confirmed means 5 powerroles left. In the setup, 5 T's = 1 goon, 1 gf, 1 sk There's been so SK kill, and you're assuming that there's not a single non vanilla townie left? You said assuming no vigi or mason, but now you're assuming no cop, doc, or town RB as well. And assuming all that, therefore TTTTT is the setup and therefore there's no mafia RB which means I'm mafia? And that's why you're pushing with an instant lynch vote on me? Wtf logic is this. Like, you're literally assuming every remaining townie is a vanilla towning (if I'm reading http://wiki.mafiascum.net/?title=C9++ correctly). You looked scummy on day 1 and this rush to lynch with the dumbest logic ever just puts you back in the lynch seat for me. ##Vote: TheChyz
coupled with
On January 12 2014 13:56 Asuna wrote:Also, my read right now is that TheChyz is the mafia roleblocker. My reason for that read is that because no cops have come forward, and no doc saving has occurred on the two most obvious townies (Balla and JonnyLaw), he's assuming that I'm a town power role, either cop or doc (because I've been roleblocked every night). Assuming that, that makes 3 townie power roles, which makes it relatively unlikely that there is another one. I say that because it explains what he says about Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 13:17 TheChyz wrote:The cool part is that if I am correct nobody should fake claim since asuna will be alone (if either mafia or sk). So he's expecting that I will be the only town power role to claim. Thus making me alone. You can combine what I just typed with what I typed above and have spoilered here: + Show Spoiler +On January 12 2014 13:49 Asuna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 13:44 TheChyz wrote:
7 powerroles, 2 confirmed means 5 powerroles left. In the setup, 5 T's = 1 goon, 1 gf, 1 sk There's been so SK kill, and you're assuming that there's not a single non vanilla townie left? You said assuming no vigi or mason, but now you're assuming no cop, doc, or town RB as well. And assuming all that, therefore TTTTT is the setup and therefore there's no mafia RB which means I'm mafia? And that's why you're pushing with an instant lynch vote on me? Wtf logic is this. Like, you're literally assuming every remaining townie is a vanilla towning (if I'm reading http://wiki.mafiascum.net/?title=C9++ correctly). You looked scummy on day 1 and this rush to lynch with the dumbest logic ever just puts you back in the lynch seat for me. ##Vote: TheChyz So Chyz is so mafia.
Voting pattern:
theChyz's playstyle focuses on submitting votes against players in rapid fire succession. This has proved to be a volatile gamestyle in the early stages of the game; he has since stood by this play style as a method of stirring discussion link. However if you take a deeper look at the way this play is 'facilitating' discussion you can see another pattern in his votes:
Day 1: votes for Day_Walker link
Day 1: votes for dnyarri link
Day 1: votes for Day_Walker link
Day 1: votes for theDragoon link
Jumps onto theDragoon bandwagon. Not highly suspicious as a lot of people made this mistake.
Day 2: votes for dnyarri link
Day 2: votes for OWB link
Day 2: votes for Asuna link
Day 2: votes for OWB link
Bounces between the major bandwagon of the day OWB and other players before switching right before the final tally. Coupled with the other analysis made in the thread this is scummy play. He gets to join the bandwagon while hiding behind his other votes on Asuna.
Day 3: votes for Asuna link
Asuna has claimed being roleblocked two days in a row; provided scum could have a roleblocker, which is highly likely given the structure of the game. I think this is a pretty good indicator of his innocence. theChyz is trying to get a mislynch onto Asuna so that he doesn't have to use another nightkill on someone he is roleblocking and suspects to be a power role.
Inexplicable play by theChyz
He currently has his vote on Asuna yet say this:
Currently I think asuna, dnyarri, chinstrap, myself are town. With a 6v2 right now that makes it only having to pick out a pair out of the remaining 4. Those being DW, suki, bigdad, and sidesprang.
I'm not sure if theChyz isn't following the conversations that have been going on, has not been reading the thread or his analysis is purely circumstantial and changes extremly quickly.
However to me, it just summarizes his 'bouncy' play style is incriminating.
Personally I think theChyz is scum.
##Vote: theChyz
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My #1 Scum Pair at the moment is:
theChyz and dnyarri.
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looking at dnyarri's filter he is actually pushing as hard as Asuna on theChyz... this is either dnyarri throwing theChyz under the bus, or i'm completely wrong on theChyz.
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I'm ok to get lynched but only after we get another scum. Because currently with it being 6v2. Basically a mislynch today will make it 4v2 and it will be mislynch and lose. I'd be fine for people to make sure if I am scum or not by lynching me but only after we get another scum. That way it will be either 5v1 (if we get scum today) or 3v1 (if we get scum tmrw). That way we have atleast another lynch or 2 to use on the last scum.
I still stand by my statement of either DW or sidesprang, and DW is lurking it up (personal reasons or w/e) and when I am scum the easiest thing for me to do was to lurk and hope that town would kill itself off. DW's votes have been consistent on jumping on the bandwagon and that coupled with all the scummy posts he has made make me think that he is the best target for town to lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Day_Walker
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Day 3 vote count:
BigDad (2): suki, Day_Walker
TheChyz (3): Asuna, dnyarri, BigDad
Day_Walker (1): TheChyz
Not voting (2): chinstrap, sidesprang
Currently, TheChyz is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Monday, Jan 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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On January 13 2014 11:14 TheChyz wrote:
I'm ok to get lynched but only after we get another scum. Because currently with it being 6v2. Basically a mislynch today will make it 4v2 and it will be mislynch and lose. I'd be fine for people to make sure if I am scum or not by lynching me but only after we get another scum. That way it will be either 5v1 (if we get scum today) or 3v1 (if we get scum tmrw). That way we have atleast another lynch or 2 to use on the last scum.
I still stand by my statement of either DW or sidesprang, and DW is lurking it up (personal reasons or w/e) and when I am scum the easiest thing for me to do was to lurk and hope that town would kill itself off. DW's votes have been consistent on jumping on the bandwagon and that coupled with all the scummy posts he has made make me think that he is the best target for town to lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Day_Walker
I kinda think you are lurkering because my replies to you have been 4 and 2 minutes after you posted your statement, and each time you disappeared for 7+ hours. The only time you actually replied right away is when I asked a fairly noncommittal question, namely
On January 12 2014 13:41 Asuna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 13:17 TheChyz wrote:
Ok so at the moment we have a one-shot vigi and innocent child confirmed as well as a goon. Im assuming that there are no vigi's or masons (since they are very unlikely), and if there are please come on out. That means that out of the 7 power roles, 2 are gone. That means there are power roles left. If they all belong to scum that means their powerroles are only 1 goon, 1 GF, and 1 SK. That means there is NO ROLEBLOCKER. In which case Asuna is lying. I think that now is a good time to come out with a role if you have one. Because if there is no other town roles, ASUNA IS LYING and is either GF or SK. The cool part is that if I am correct nobody should fake claim since asuna will be alone (if either mafia or sk).
##Vote: Asuna
Role claim now. I am Vanilla Townie. And why are so you sure mafia has no roleblocker?
On January 12 2014 13:44 TheChyz wrote:
7 powerroles, 2 confirmed means 5 powerroles left. In the setup, 5 T's = 1 goon, 1 gf, 1 sk
And you still haven't replied to the inconsistency I pointed out in my post 2 minutes after your coverup post:
On January 13 2014 05:40 Asuna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 05:38 TheChyz wrote:
Yes finally some actual posts. Hopefully this short amount of posting but with lots of analysis continues. I agree I may look a little scummy now but hopefully people pick up this pattern I am doing of reckless aggression.
Anyways I am loving asuna's response (apart from coming out) and dnyarri's aswell.
Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 13:17 TheChyz wrote:
Ok so at the moment we have a one-shot vigi and innocent child confirmed as well as a goon. Im assuming that there are no vigi's or masons (since they are very unlikely), and f there are please come on out. That means that out of the 7 power roles, 2 are gone. That means there are power roles left. If they all belong to scum that means their powerroles are only 1 goon, 1 GF, and 1 SK. That means there is NO ROLEBLOCKER. In which case Asuna is lying. I think that now is a good time to come out with a role if you have one. Because if there is no other town roles, ASUNA IS LYING and is either GF or SK. The cool part is that if I am correct nobody should fake claim since asuna will be alone (if either mafia or sk).
##Vote: Asuna
Role claim now. I am Vanilla Townie. ???? My vote is not moving from TheChyz. I'm calling a bad scum play on this.
Would be pretty funny if that inconsistent choice of tense in your most recent statement was actually a slipup lol.
"when I am scum the easiest thing for me to do was to lurk"
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Like I answered it in a few of my older posts. I just look for people to fall into my aggressive trap. Like I said before, I know I will have to get lynched in the end for town to feel safe, but just need to kill 1 more scum before lynching me or else it can be MYLO tmrw. Also english is my second language so I mess up stuff gramatically sometimes.
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This game is way to quiet. Come on town don't you guys want to win. I expect the two people who haven't voted yet to vote right now and give an explanation why. I also want something out of DW cause travel or no travel, 48 hours is lots of time to have some sort of opinion on a player and not just a vote and a cya later
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Alright I'm here.
I had a reread through TheChyz's filter and I think he's been slipping hard since Day 2 ended.
Here is TheChyz's conversation with Balla during Night 2, bolded parts for emphasis:
+ Show Spoiler + On January 12 2014 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
Anyways I still want to reread some peoples filters to make sure I didn't confuse things between people and I'll have my explanation before night ends, but can you post yours aswell Balla :
"Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later." On January 12 2014 03:57 Balla24 wrote:
Also: there's 3 hours left, if I were going to post it I would have plenty of time to post it. I lost faith in the theory anyways. On January 12 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote:
And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same. On January 12 2014 04:06 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote:
And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same. NO fuck that that's so scummy. It's pretty obvious what I had to say was due to night actions. You're pretty silly if you can't see that. So why would I post it 3 HOURS before the night is over and let mafia plan around that. MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH: Why are you pushing me so hard for it? I'm clearly active. This is SO fricking scummy from you Chyz. Do you need it to make a decision on what to do with your scum buddy? On January 12 2014 04:22 TheChyz wrote:
@Balla
What is so scummy about it, your doing the exact same thing from everybody else and forcing them to explain things, what makes you such a special case that whenever you say something we should just let you pass cause your active? Jonny (i think) said that you are active both scum and town so I find no reason why you felt that posting that you will post your thoughts later and then now not wanting to is scummy from me. Seems like your being very defensive. And you don't have to post now, just before night ends (even if its 1 sec before)
On January 12 2014 04:40 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 03:14 Balla24 wrote:On January 11 2014 07:06 TheChyz wrote:
Gotta go for a few hours, will be back afterwards. This vote kinda sucks but I think there is quite a wealth of information that can be garnered from it. What info can be garnered from it? Want your analysis before night ends! Chyz you skipped this too. On January 12 2014 05:00 TheChyz wrote:
I didn't skip it, it will be done before the night ends. still got time.
First off, I feel that TheChyz's pressure on Balla is really off. He pressures Balla for not providing his reads, and Balla replies there's still three hours before the night is over. TheChyz calls bullshit on Balla's reasoning. Following that, Balla asks TheChyz for analysis, and TheChyz simply replies there's still time. This inconsistency stands out to me, and I think there's a very good reason for it if you assume TheChyz is mafia - He wants to know what Balla's reads are before he posts his own analysis.
There is no reason to assume Balla is not 1-shot vig as he claimed, and yet TheChyz seems to be getting ready to throw suspicion at Balla. Perhaps if Balla had his reads completely wrong and had posted them early enough, scum may have kept Balla alive. TheChyz posts his analysis at 2:58, 2 minutes before the deadline. Balla posts his at 2:59. The day post is posted at 3:02.
Asuna has also made a strong case against TheChyz, the most striking of which is:
Would be pretty funny if that inconsistent choice of tense in your most recent statement was actually a slipup lol.
"when I am scum the easiest thing for me to do was to lurk"
Looking at his 'setup analysis' where he wrongly concludes that there is a SK, it may just have been a ploy to root out the remaining blue role, which he was successful at doing now that Asuna has role claimed.
TheChyz tries to reason his way out by saying it was intentional or that it was due to his english, however I think there's enough evidence to strongly say that he screwed up in Night 2 and Day 3 and revealed himself through his actions and words.
##unvote
##vote TheChyz
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I also think that TheChyz's play at the start ('pressuring lurkers' -> 'lynching lurkers') and his '1 goon 1gf 1 sk analysis', which he has labelled 'reckless aggression' is all just part of his game plan to confuse town and throw in some things which are easy to attack, so that he can just brush it off and say that it's part of his town game plan to look scummy.
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Day 3 vote count:
BigDad (1): suki, Day_Walker
Day_Walker (1): TheChyz
TheChyz (4): Asuna, dnyarri, BigDad, suki
Asuna (0): TheChyz
Not voting (2): chinstrap, sidesprang
Currently, TheChyz is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Monday, Jan 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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Ok so i've been reading up on the people I thought could be scum. Namely BigDad, Dnyarri, TheChyz.
@Dnyarri
This guy is reading towny for me now. His play since mid day 2 and onward has been good imo, and his response to why he was lurking felt genuine and honest. I wont rule out him being scum, but for each post it seems less likely. And we got bigger fish to fry imo.
@TheChyz
This guy is my top scumread ATM. I really dislike his playstyle, and someone (I think suki) said it was to bad to be scum, but It's also to bad to be town. In the first hours this day he managed to out the cop for no reason. Pretty much everyone else believed Asuna as long as there was only 1 kill. And the fact that there was one more power role out there was VERY likely. You also asked for blue roles to out themselves only to say you did not like Asuna outing herself, I dont get this logic. And you can't just brush it off with you trying to aggressivly trap someone. Where is the trap? And what have you learned from your trapping plays. Please explain to me how your play would make sense from a town perspective, what where your goals, and what did you learn from it ?
On another note when I read his filter is that during day one and night one his top scumread was Day_Walker pretty clearly. But when we get to day two you did not mention or fight for him at all, you just followed the flavour of the moment kills. Why is that ? I get the feeling you did not really care to much about who got lynched.
@BigDad
This guy is hard to read for me. But the biggest scumsign for me is that I feel all his vote are weak. The reasoning behind them I dont find sound at all. Tho it can just be because he is new and is not really good at scumhunting (I get the tell that he is bad in several other posts like the two where he is asking for vig/cop shots). I know I'm currenty very wishy-washy on this guy.
I will take another look at Day_Walker because he is now my third pick, and since my filterdive on BigDad did not find very much.
Currently I think TheChyz is the best choice and I will vote him. He needs to provide some good and sound logic for his agressivly trapping plays for me to unvote him.
##Vote TheChyz
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Alright it looks like I'm probably getting lynched and I have school in 30 minutes in which I will be only able to interact occasionally with short messages. When I get lynched I want town to take a close look at a DW. After he has been pressured day 1 he has done very little productive and has been lurking around and not really helping town. He has also been bandwagonning votes. II would disregard his vote for this day just because I have already called him out on it and he is probably aware of it.
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Also since 5 people have already voted for me (and one who hasn't is innocent child) means that either the rest of town is voting on scum or that at least 1-2 scum is bandwagoning on the person that seems like an easy lynch target (more likely)
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