EPTBut atleast, If there are a town roleblocker I think you should roleblock Asuna again just on the odd chance he is SK.
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But atleast, If there are a town roleblocker I think you should roleblock Asuna again just on the odd chance he is SK. | ||
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One point I have not seen brought up yet. Is the KP, I kinda assumed that there was gonna be 2 KP, either by mafia having 2 or 1 from mafia and 1 from SK. But since there were only one scum kill and no one discussed the possibility that they could have 2 and that we had a medic save or RB or whatever kinda leads me to believe they only have 1. Can anyone confirm to me that 1 KP is the norm in this setup? And another point, why are we excluding 6T's, on the link it seems like innocent child is a green role and not a power role. So dont we only have 1 confirmed blue at this point, And that will make 6T's possible ? | ||
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I'm trying to read into Derrida's filter, and I think Day_Walker also comes out more town from it. I doubt a he would buddy up like he did in the first post if Day_Walker was scum. I think it would be more an attempt to pocket him than anything else. Also when reading Derrida's first post, he fails to mention both Asuna and Dnyarri. I have only read up on Dnyarri atm, but I really can not understand how you can fail to mention Dnyarri in a list like he made. He had only posted two post by that time. + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 20:05 dnyarri wrote: I think TheChyz is suspicious. First he says (s)he wants so lynch lurkers anyway. When people started to suspect him/her (s)he said that (s)he did it on purpose to catch bandwagoners. Bandwagons however give lurkers easy targets which seems contradicts his/her original agenda of lynching lurkers. Also, TheChyz has only brought confusion and only potentially useful analysis (s)he has brought to table is against Day_Walker who was attacking TheChyz with the list. It appears more like TheChyz is trying to save his/her skin. Though I think Day_Walker is suspicious because of the list, I find TheChyz more suspicious and I don't believe that as a scum Day_Walker would attack another scums this early. ##Vote: TheChyz + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 23:43 dnyarri wrote: Actually I have changed my primary target of suspicion from TheChyz to TheDragoon mainly because of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723¤tpage=16#316 TheDragoon stated that Day_Walker seemed like innocent even though Day_Walker had only posted one list and nothing else. Day_Walker's only vote is against TheChyz which doesn't mean much since TheChyz is easy bandwagoning target. TheDragoon's post give me the impression that he wants to slow voting down by defending (random) people while going to TheChyz-bandwagon and attacking nobody else. TheChyz is confusing but I'm not sure if it's carelessness or risk taking. My logic for calling him scum was somewhat faulted too I think. ##unvote ##vote: TheDragoon In two posts, Dnyari votes for two different people. And his posts looks rather fishy to me. With posts like those two how can you not mention Dnyarri in a list like that. Unless you had a reason not to. That coupled with derrida trying to prevent us from lynching lurkers, and in essence to save dnyarri makes me believe there is a high chance dnyarri is scum. ##Vote Dnyarri | ||
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I also took note of the post you are refering to, and find it somewhat wierd. Tho my thoughts where more that why would he say those things about Derrida if town allready moved past ? Unless he knew derrida was scum and he went overly defensive about it. I read up on a few of his old games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=onlywonderboy¤tpage=3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430766&user=onlywonderboy I do feel his scumgame resembles this game more than his towngame. Tho I might just see what I want to see, so if someone else can also take a look at it, that would be nice. Also you played with him before Balla could you give some more insight since you were in those games. I feel he is more passive and talks about non reads stuff in his scum game, which I also feel he has been doing to some extent here. And in his town game he seems to be tring a lot more to find scum. Also if you check his profile you can see he is active here on TL.net. So why is he not posting more ? | ||
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On January 11 2014 06:24 Balla24 wrote: ¨Sidesprang. You had this to say about OWB. Yet now you don't want to lynch him? Who do you think is scum with dnyarri if you think dnyarri is so scummy? Because I think its more likely that dnyarri is scum ? I posted what I did because I was unsure about OWB, and wanted more input. And also wanted to provide the things I found to the town. As then others might see something I don't. Atm I think its more likely and more rewarding to lynch dynarri. I see no strong cases for OWB, and feel we might just go away from dynarri because it felt to easy. So I would rather stick with my original read. | ||
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The reason I did not mind dnyarri today was because he pretty much went into lurking even harder, and the thing I pointed out with derrida not mentioning him in his opening post. | ||
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On January 11 2014 06:52 Balla24 wrote: Derrida's interactions with sidesprang is the only thing that makes me worried. Because he said "i felt scummy" ? And for some reason I never found that attack worth defending ? | ||
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On January 12 2014 03:22 Balla24 wrote: @Sidesprang How is this good logic for saying Day_walker comes out more town from it? It's terrible logic actually. You have no idea if he would buddy up like that or not. None whatsoever. I think it's VERY likely he buddied up to one of his teammates and started bussing the other (while not pushing too hard). @Balla And I do not think it's likely. And your logic about this point is very bad. Your point against me is that I have no idea if he would buddy up or not. But you know what you dont either. It's all speculation at this point anyhow, but I think it's less likely that he would do that to a scumbuddy than not. simple as that. | ||
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D1 after doing some analysis -> I'm not comfortable lynching him. D2 getting townread from flipped scum -> less inclined to lynch him. | ||
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On January 12 2014 04:01 Balla24 wrote: Note: "I'm not comfortable lynching him" does not mean "I don't feel scummy on him" you very clearly felt scummy on him D1. I feel you are really bad at reading my posts. I state the reason for me doing that analysis is that he was one of the two possible lynch candidates at that time. And since I was going out and would not be there for the last hours I felt I should atleast look into them both. I said it could be possible that he was scum, but mostly if theDragoon also was scum. But I also said I felt that theory was very circumstantial. So how you get that post to be "you very clearly felt scummy on him D1" I dont even know.... | ||
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On January 12 2014 13:17 TheChyz wrote: Ok so at the moment we have a one-shot vigi and innocent child confirmed as well as a goon. Im assuming that there are no vigi's or masons (since they are very unlikely), and if there are please come on out. That means that out of the 7 power roles, 2 are gone. That means there are power roles left. If they all belong to scum that means their powerroles are only 1 goon, 1 GF, and 1 SK. That means there is NO ROLEBLOCKER. In which case Asuna is lying. I think that now is a good time to come out with a role if you have one. Because if there is no other town roles, ASUNA IS LYING and is either GF or SK. The cool part is that if I am correct nobody should fake claim since asuna will be alone (if either mafia or sk). ##Vote: Asuna Role claim now. I am Vanilla Townie. In your post before the daypost, you said that IF there were TWO kills this night we should look at Balla and Asuna. Now there were only ONE kill but you are for some reason ready to lynch Asuna. What changed in your logic that made you go after Asuna afterall ? | ||
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Firstly I did not try to give myself an excuse for not doing the voteswap. I had in my previous post said that I would not be there for the vote. So why would I need another excuse ? And I'm not trying to make the point that theDragoon and OWB is green if dnyarri is green. I'm trying to point out that Johnny and OWB is more green because of the voteswap. Because if the voteswap succeeded they would have nothing to gain from dnyarris death. If dnyarri was green -> they look scummy. If dnyarri is red -> they bussed a scummate when they absolutly did not have to. The reason I said it's hard to me to judge how much towny theDragoon looked after the vote was because when I came back I read the flip. So when reading those posts I KNEW he was town. Therefor I wont sit on my high horse and say he was obvious town and blame others for not realizing it in the heat of the moment. I see nothing that is inconsistent, Also I did not piggy-back your analysis of OWB. I made a post that was simmilar to yours yes. I looked into OWB because I got paranoid since the lynch went so easy. I found a few points, but in the end to me it felt more like confirmation bias on my side than anything else. So I decided to stick with my vote on dnyarri. Reasoning for me not mentioning BigDad is just because he has been under my radar. But I'm sure if you look you will find more ppl I did not mention? In general I dont talk about people I dont have reads on ATM I'm thinking the scumteam is between BigDad, dnyarri and TheChiz. I've not had time to write big cases like you. But I will hopefully do it early tomorrow so we will have time to discuss before the vote. | ||
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@Dnyarri This guy is reading towny for me now. His play since mid day 2 and onward has been good imo, and his response to why he was lurking felt genuine and honest. I wont rule out him being scum, but for each post it seems less likely. And we got bigger fish to fry imo. @TheChyz This guy is my top scumread ATM. I really dislike his playstyle, and someone (I think suki) said it was to bad to be scum, but It's also to bad to be town. In the first hours this day he managed to out the cop for no reason. Pretty much everyone else believed Asuna as long as there was only 1 kill. And the fact that there was one more power role out there was VERY likely. You also asked for blue roles to out themselves only to say you did not like Asuna outing herself, I dont get this logic. And you can't just brush it off with you trying to aggressivly trap someone. Where is the trap? And what have you learned from your trapping plays. Please explain to me how your play would make sense from a town perspective, what where your goals, and what did you learn from it ? On another note when I read his filter is that during day one and night one his top scumread was Day_Walker pretty clearly. But when we get to day two you did not mention or fight for him at all, you just followed the flavour of the moment kills. Why is that ? I get the feeling you did not really care to much about who got lynched. @BigDad This guy is hard to read for me. But the biggest scumsign for me is that I feel all his vote are weak. The reasoning behind them I dont find sound at all. Tho it can just be because he is new and is not really good at scumhunting (I get the tell that he is bad in several other posts like the two where he is asking for vig/cop shots). I know I'm currenty very wishy-washy on this guy. I will take another look at Day_Walker because he is now my third pick, and since my filterdive on BigDad did not find very much. Currently I think TheChyz is the best choice and I will vote him. He needs to provide some good and sound logic for his agressivly trapping plays for me to unvote him. ##Vote TheChyz | ||
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