EPTOn November 21 2013 07:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
hi austin
Hey thrawn!hi austin
Can you talk to me/us about your BC read?
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On November 21 2013 07:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's TOTALLY my D1 and N1. Absolutely. There's no lynch N1, and D1 lynch was mayoral.Austin: But the thing is you were not calling anyone scum. You can just say shit about anyone when the conclusion does not end up in a scumread. I do not care what you have said in some mason chat. You did not try to affect to the lynch at all, you were just asking questions left and right. That's my impression from your D1, N1 and D2, and i understand everyone who thinks so. Because that's what happened. You had no scumreads, at least you didn't say so in thread. And yes, all I say is that BC is mildly scummy at some point. But look at my filter and how many times i reference him. Ask people about him. Ask for updated reads on him. It should be clear that: (1) I'm trying to get a very solid read on BC; (2) I'm pushing others to look at him and examine him; and (3) I'm critical of those who super <3 him or super <3 his early anti-grack/anti-storrzerg post. If you think he's scum and I'm scum, you think that on D1 I'm just snipey snipey snipey at a scumbuddy, and trying to convince people to reread him more critically? (Bonus points, is scum austin willing to poke at his teammates?) Same with LM. I'm not running around going LM IS SCUM LM IS SCUM, but ... heck. WE, the two of us, had a discussion about him. Where I said he hadn't done anything and didn't like his filter. I ask yamato what he's been doing in mason chat (trying to get more info/discern alignment). I have a back and forth with you where you think he's the bee's knees. You are looking at this through the lens of how you have played this game or think others should have played this game (ALWAYS CALL PEOPLE SCUM NEVER NOT CALL PEOPLE SCUM). But there are multiple ways to go about things. At the very least, you need to notice that ONE of your scum suspects is really poking around TWO of your other scum suspects. Whether he goes THEY ARE SCUM THEY ARE SCUM THEY ARE SCUM or whether he gives other indicia that he's (1) concerned about them; (2) wants to know more; (3) doesn't see why people are so towny on them...either way, it's an indicator that they're not on the same scumteam. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Okay. One question now, and then I'll ask more at a later time then.ask me every question you can think of regarding all things BC and i will promise that I will give you my exhaustive analysis tomorrow i got stuff to do + this game is annoying me so much i don't want to put any more thought into it atm WHAT IS BC'S MIDDLE NAME? | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote: Absolutely nothing! Austin let me ask you a question, what stops scumaustinmccc asking the same questions about his team mates compared to townaustinmcc? Except that scumaustinmcc really does NOT like talking to/about his teammates and he normally avoids that. Except that austinmcc is aware of this and knows it's a part of his scumgame that he needs to work on. But to the extent that meta matters to you, you can check my scumgames and look for me talking about/to my team. In general, I would think that REALLY swinging a light onto BC and LM, if we were all scum together, would be SILLYPANTS. It's D1. It's mayoral election. I get nothing out of trying to make people look at my scumbuddies critically. All I get is people looking at scum, maybe wanting to lynch them later, and if I'm scum I DO NOT WANT THAT. I could have poked at other people, been active in other ways, etc. etc. So basically, it's just risk/reward. There's not much benefit to trying to get people to reassess their town reads on your scumbuddies if you're scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fo sho. There's no reason to super push and really follow up, because there's no lynch at that point to sway. I'm just talking and trying to get people to look at things.Yeah but you don't actually talk with them. You don't argue about anything. You just ask questions and when someone answers you move on and ask another person about something else. I chat with LM a little, and BC not much at all. Whether I chat with them or not though, it's clear that they are on my mind. This is all side crap right now though. Given that we have grack lying about being a mason (FOR NO REASON!?) and this WHO SHOTTED MOCSTA IN THE FACE dispute, SOMETHING is going down soon or tonight that is going to mess with reads/lynches. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree that grack lying for no reason doesn't make him scum, it makes him RAYN WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING AS TOWN IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP DOING IT AND YOU ARE ENCOURAGING THIS STUFF.nah. I don't think Grack lying makes him scum and i don't think Holyflare or Artanis are scum. As far as HF/artanis, I'm...interested. | ||
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Some is for fun/emphasis. I've only been angry with mafia folks once or twice. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Off the top of my head, yes. Gonna give him a quick reread.Could be. austin are you willing to lynch LM tomorrow? Also, is this the point where I'm supposed to go "if I'm still alive"? | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yup. The sharrant stuff does not, imo, make him magically scum. It makes him not paying attention or trying to be sneaky, but neither more than the other. I've forgotten people died as town before.Have you even read the thread austin? But he's still barely dipping his toes in, he's interacting with scumreads in a friendly way (pandain yesterday), and seems to be...shifting advantageously? I pop up because of not trying to figure out HF's alignment in mason chat, nothing more, despite not being mentioned before. Mattchew is scum out of lurkers because he's useless (as are others), no real oomph behind mattchew over others. I would really like to see him active and posting, but atm got no problems lynching him. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sure, but I thought rayn might be trying to be tricksy. Given the suspicions on you I'd highly doubt you get shot tonight. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Real?Actually, you are getting shot tonight, by me, and here's why. Given it's been pretty obvious that I was vig by pretty much everyone in the thread despite attempts to make it look less obvious (was masoned with HF so we tried some tricks), I'm pretty sure scum could figure me out. Announcing I was shooting BC means that scum really can't take the risk to not block me if BC is scum. They just can't even if they suspect I'm lying, so the shot would only go through if he's town. If he is in fact town, you look pretty bad. That said, I doubt my shot will go through. Scum will probably have expected me to lie about my target. | ||
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First letters of the sentences in this post was all I did, thought about doing like 10 or 15 posts with the letters, but that was too much. On November 15 2013 12:59 austinmcc wrote: VE, you might get my vote. Except, that's a later consideration. Thinking I might run myself. Or maybe I decide later that your full name is Visceraeyes Scumberto McScumlichnaya. Which is a VERY scummy name, btw. Also my secret code with Holyflare was that I'd use CAT in any srs attack case. You take cats to the vet. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because maybe HF is really the vigi (super unlikely). Because there are multiple ways your shot could fail, and one of them makes people still think I'm scum.Why would you claim that when there's a great chance my shot will get RBed? Now, presuming you're town, you won't get singlestacked ever. And because the downside, me getting doublestacked at some point, is FINE. I'm happy to soak two bullets. I'm happy to go to lategame alive. Either way, it's good for town imo. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In the same way that there's almost no chance scum shot me tonight, there's almost no chance a town doc healed me tonight. I find that incredibly unlikely.Do explain. As for the latter, the point is that scum don't know if you got healed or if you were just a vet that needs another shot. Now, if they've roleblocked me, they know that shooting you once will do zip. You've given them information that will help optimize their night kills. From what I'm hearing, it feels more like you've planned this claim out as a scum than as a townie, and your faction has rbed me. The ways your shot fails --> rb, town doc, scum doc, me being a vet, you lying about being a vigi (doesn't really count). Granted, also super unlikely I get scum doc-ed tonight. If you are/were scum this game, you'd really go "Hmmmm, maybe austinmcc is town and artanis really shot him and a town doc healed austin over someone else"? | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC --> rarely active, when he is he MAINLY focuses on being chatty about side stuff, and his read on grack is very forced, with his other reads just being meh.austin can you just give your top 5 scumreads with a little reasoning so in case you some way die we can look into them? Then probably: LM --> rarely active, reads feel a little forces and opportunistic, the only thing that people like him as town for is masoning yamato instead of nobody, but if he asked for scum assistance last game, no reason he wouldn't this game, and he has a history with yamato that would make him a good buddy target. If nothing else, despite playing a past game with yamato and saving yamato's life there, in mason chat this game he apparently isn't doing boatloads, so it's not like he's super trying to solve the game with his bud. Probably still thrawn. If BC red, thrawn continues to be likely red. Assuming a lurky mafia. Maybe it's mattchew, maybe it's hopeless, maybe it's coag, maybe cheese, RIGHT AT THE MOMENT I don't have a good sense of differentiation between them. On quick passes of filters, I haven't seen anything that really makes me pull them apart, need to do a deeper run. A lot of that is based on hoping we don't have like 6-7 town lurkers in a single game. As far as magical fifth read, dunno. If I'm alive D3 I'll get a little more focused and start trying to narrow down both lurkers and the band of people who are around but difficult to read sometimes. Kush and Mig almost certainly town. Risen likely town, imo. SS likely town although you're right that the mocsta stuff before lynch was more nuanced than we thought, except there was still no reason for SS to bring up a scumbuddy out of the blue right before he MIGHT have control over a lynch if he's scum. You likely town. Koshi likely town. Artanis likely town (although this is a bit lol now). | ||
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