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On November 16 2013 10:44 Pandain wrote:
On November 16 2013 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 16 2013 10:39 Pandain wrote:
I think LoneMeow is pretty town, I give him town points(though not defiinitive), for masoning Yamato. Masononing a vet seems like a town thing to do, and he could crumble under pressure against someone as aggressive as yamato
This assumes Yamato is applying any pressure to him in mason. Yamato isn't doing much in the thread at the moment, I have to assume he's not doing much in a mason chat either.
It doesn't matter. The fact he masoned Yamato and the oppurtunity is there either means he doesn't know yamato, he's really confident in himself(anyone have confirmation on this? Wasn't he the guy who claimed doctor and then Mocsta counter-claimed him?), or he's town.
Which do you think is more likely for a person who has played previous games?
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Besides at VE, what says his inactivity here isn't just mason ing it up? It's not indicative of anything when you see inactivity.
It can hint but hardly that.
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On November 16 2013 10:51 austinmcc wrote:I prefer not to think about the third claimer that game. VE, in late exchange for my Pandain thoughts, I would ask you to look at these two points, within the context of when they were written, and tell me if you think anything neat about Onegu just based on these. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:31 Onegu wrote:On November 15 2013 20:42 supersoft wrote:
pfff always the same with you guys... this is a game. Play your role. Play to win. This isn't a forum to friendly chat with each other. this is mafia, you want to create an uncomfortable situation for scum. Friendly chatting with each other is a situation which is optimal for scum.
Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely.
If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad. I disagree with this post all the way. A calm relaxed town is much better than a rattled unhappy town as it interfers with thier ability to think rational thoughts and posts. For super to use this as a reson for his attitude feels scummy, if he just said this is how I play deal with it, I would feel better about him. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote:fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: HereYou claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum read S". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: On November 15 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay ignoring Risen for the rest of D1. You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:
I'll vote anyone who makes their platform lynching rayn. You get modkilled for not voting. :p
What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.
The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game.
Oats, shy are you so prickly this game.
Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous.Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 12:54 Mattchew wrote:
VE who shoudl i look at? Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game? He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts. Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like: On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum . Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time? ________________________________________________________ For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price? You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge I troll no further albeit tempting Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
What does scum matt look like then? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
Either way, he isn't here and I've linked all that needs to be linked. What do you think of rayn so far. I know you had some back and forths last game. Has your read on him improved because of hogwarts or not? Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions.
Do you mean outside of the fact that he completely dropped his suspicion of supersoft? I mean, I'm not sure what I'm expected to see with regard to when they were written - rayn had just made a big post on HF right before Onegu's first post and the second one is like him adding to rayn's points.
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On November 16 2013 10:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 10:39 Pandain wrote:
I think LoneMeow is pretty town, I give him town points(though not defiinitive), for masoning Yamato. Masononing a vet seems like a town thing to do, and he could crumble under pressure against someone as aggressive as yamato This assumes Yamato is applying any pressure to him in mason. Yamato isn't doing much in the thread at the moment, I have to assume he's not doing much in a mason chat either. It doesn't matter. The fact he masoned Yamato and the oppurtunity is there either means he doesn't know yamato, he's really confident in himself(anyone have confirmation on this? Wasn't he the guy who claimed doctor and then Mocsta counter-claimed him?), or he's town. Which do you think is more likely for a person who has played previous games?
Just because someone is considered town openly doesn't mean they're any more dangerous to the scumteam or any more intimidating in PMs. Yamato isn't known for his prowess in PMs that I'm aware of, in fact I'm pretty sure in a game almost identical to this one he literally lost a game in PMs or something like that.
However I agree that the action leans more townie. So you've heard austin's theory Pandain, are you fake-claiming mason? Or are you ACTUALLY a mason?
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Nah. They're so different in subject that I don't see one to the other as dropping supersoft.
I guess...how you feel about those posts? Does either scream either alignment to you? They just do very different things for me, and I want to poke at him about it, but also see if anyone else gets anything from them.
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Now gimme those pandain thoughts.
Heheh
Well I will say ONEGU is the very first SVENGALI so I will not read him as of yet.
Now no more assery. I am interested, does anyone have any interest in the Blazinghand proposal for mayor, coupled with VayneAuthority's response? I have listed my thoughts and I am not sure whether I think either is scum.
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First sentence sounds odd. Those posts are on particular topics, supersoft and HF. I don't see him not mentioning supersoft in the second one as indicative of dropping supersoft as a suspect/person of interest, just that the post isn't about supersoft.
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On November 16 2013 11:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Now gimme those pandain thoughts.
Heheh
Well I will say ONEGU is the very first SVENGALI so I will not read him as of yet.
Now no more assery. I am interested, does anyone have any interest in the Blazinghand proposal for mayor, coupled with VayneAuthority's response? I have listed my thoughts and I am not sure whether I think either is scum. My interest is
NO
That's where I am right now. I don't think I'm going to move from that being my opinion. BH has not done anything to make me want him as mayor over anyone else that's decent this game, and so even if people want to keep touting the idea of a RNG lynch, the better option is to choose a non-BH mayor and have them do it, even if the person is just going to lynch VA.
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Yes I'm a mason. I don't think it's unlikely for there to be two, or even three masons however.
I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts.
On November 16 2013 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:more excuses for my activity incoming. Rogers fixed my internet. Now I'm going out to start my weekend. gg.
I read up on HolyFlare. I can see why rayn is pissing himself with rage. I can also see why HF would say "town read". Rayn looks better imo, but I dont see anything malicious about HF. I wonder why Matt ignored his questions about me. Maybe he only takes request from VE. Still dont know who to call scum 
Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out.
On November 15 2013 08:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
you lost me there storr...come again?
useless
On November 15 2013 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
That's not much of a running platform yam.
useless
On November 15 2013 02:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
yam's got my vote trololjk
useless
he's usually not useless
To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him.
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On November 16 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Nah. They're so different in subject that I don't see one to the other as dropping supersoft.
I guess...how you feel about those posts? Does either scream either alignment to you? They just do very different things for me, and I want to poke at him about it, but also see if anyone else gets anything from them.
Well they both follow a similar theme of going with the flow. Like, people were coming out against supersoft's gruff aggression right? So he spoke up against that. Then rayn made a big post about HF and people were starting to get onboard with that, and he adds a couple of points to Rayn's post.
Ultimately though I'm not left with a good sense of what Onegu actually thinks about either one of them because of a lack of follow up on either of them.
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Storr continually plays the newbie card and yet ran for mayor, then backed out quickly and keeps playing newbie card. Doesn't make sense to me unless he's trying to play a certain way. Like his first game with me he was semi-guns blazing. What happened to this game?
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On November 16 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Nah. They're so different in subject that I don't see one to the other as dropping supersoft.
I guess...how you feel about those posts? Does either scream either alignment to you? They just do very different things for me, and I want to poke at him about it, but also see if anyone else gets anything from them. Well they both follow a similar theme of going with the flow. Like, people were coming out against supersoft's gruff aggression right? So he spoke up against that. Then rayn made a big post about HF and people were starting to get onboard with that, and he adds a couple of points to Rayn's post. Ultimately though I'm not left with a good sense of what Onegu actually thinks about either one of them because of a lack of follow up on either of them. Okay, that'll work. I asked some Qs to onegu but he hasn't come back, poke at him or remind me to poke at him about this stuff when he's on.
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I also don't think Artanis has said anything useful to note
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Decided to look at austinmcc filter first.
I can't say i like how he has kept questioning the troll question. (and again, i'd put trolls under useless/inactive town)
Other than that, i like his approach to the game, how he is asking questions. I also like how he is presenting his reads, in particular his Pandain read/thoughts. I'm happy with how he is askingg his questions in general.
I would lean town on austinmcc.
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
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hiro protagonist still has done nothing. What began as a joke could feasibly turn into something far more sinister by day's end if his game does not take a sharp upturn.
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On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote:
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie.
His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads:On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go.
***AUSTINMCC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEXT THAT WAS UP HERE***
I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more.
VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.
Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time.
That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with.
But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:*also elect me as mayor*On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list
The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list.
He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni.
Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT).
I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now.
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Now lets take a better look at mattchew
I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle.
How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE)
On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum
again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town)
He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons?
After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew,
On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too
His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning.
And most recent post
On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi
Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit.
In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself.
I am putting him my scum circle for now.
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On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote:Now lets take a better look at mattchew I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
mattchew is town
i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now.
His lack of reasoning is not particularly indicative of alignment to me. He could easily be unable to articulate his gut.
However I have zero meta on him, or all practical purposes I have never seen him before.
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On November 16 2013 05:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Terrible mayor post from VE. Vote for the Tomato. That guy is going to fry the bloody pie.
On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote: personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit.
Why does e'erybody always wanna kill the BC?
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