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On December 09 2013 01:35 Grackaroni wrote:
i was actually kind of annoyed when Thrawn came back the next day after BC was lynched and posted a case on me that looked identical to BC's case while posting in the mafia qt that it made sense because it was all true... He was already lynched in my mind after that (he did a few other scummy things that I thought town had already been picking up on) I didn't outright target him but when Austin started convincing people to move I felt it was best to take the town cred rather than get an extra kill and have people wonder why we defended him.
Risen was still a free lynch over thrawn all through day 4. As for me pushing you? My day 1 reasons were sound (and given I wasn't going to push you seriously at this point) fine as they weren't a full case. Day 2 I was pissed and thus shitty day for it. Everything I said about you day 3 is actually completely accurate. Now, me bussing you to hell as well as mocsta doing it I think kept you off a ton of radars for ages and thus our deaths insured you living a long time. However. If you go back on day 2 and 3. You and holy spend more time poking at me then most players. Mig and artanis do make comments, but the ones primarily bringing up the "lets off bc" were you two. Or at least that was from my view. Can you imagine had you two been slightly less active with pushing my death? Then add in the play I made day 3 where I almost saved myself at one point? The likelyhood of me surviving the double lynch and leaving mafia with my lynch happening later and thrawn dying later as well would have ensured an earlier win.
I am not saying that you guys did horribly but day 1 bussing the mafia 2 shot vig was terrible. That led me into being angry and thus being a tard about it. That led two people to go "bc should be dying for this" and push me to hell. Our bussing got us killed far faster.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
If you didn't get lynched day 3 after that vig shot then town would have deserved to lose anyway so it doesn't make a difference what we did day 2.
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On December 09 2013 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
If you didn't get lynched day 3 after that vig shot then town would have deserved to lose anyway so it doesn't make a difference what we did day 2.
Mafia played a huge part in my death for garnering votes on me. I was talking to marv and he and I both agree "pushing" your team is not a bad idea but outright bussing them into a position that you lose KP is retarded. I was so borderline on getting SS to pardon me / people beginning to swap off me. Imagine had there not been 2 days worth of mafia pushing BC. Id likely have survived.
Regardless of my death. It setup the perfect misslynch the following day. One that You, Holy, helped austin swap from risen onto thrawn. The order in which they died didn't matter. There were solid cases for both risen and thrawn to die. A bus is never needed. Anyone in the game could vote for risen town / mafia alike and it wasn't mafia indicative. Voting thrawn and getting him killed actually put mafia in a huge position to lose.
We had a hugely solid game in masons. You did brilliantly there. I think for what I did play I did well. However in the thread we were as a team our own worst enemy. I'm not excusing my behaviour as I was just as guilty for it. I am trying to show where we made our mistakes.
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No no, I understand that but I was already committed to bussing because of day 2, there were votes from thrawn and grack and hopeless that were not needed on day 3 on you that could have potentially saved your life as they didn't raise much fuss about you and in fact thrawn called you towny (which was his ultimate downfall), similarly day 4 I had already committed to a thrawn lynch at the start and then when it wagoned onto him I couldn't NOT switch to him because it would look really bad for me, whereas the other two not so much. I understand that I didn't need to be doing it but I was faced with a real dilemna when it came to lynch times because of it :/
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On December 09 2013 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 01:35 Grackaroni wrote:
i was actually kind of annoyed when Thrawn came back the next day after BC was lynched and posted a case on me that looked identical to BC's case while posting in the mafia qt that it made sense because it was all true... He was already lynched in my mind after that (he did a few other scummy things that I thought town had already been picking up on) I didn't outright target him but when Austin started convincing people to move I felt it was best to take the town cred rather than get an extra kill and have people wonder why we defended him. Risen was still a free lynch over thrawn all through day 4. As for me pushing you? My day 1 reasons were sound (and given I wasn't going to push you seriously at this point) fine as they weren't a full case. Day 2 I was pissed and thus shitty day for it. Everything I said about you day 3 is actually completely accurate. Now, me bussing you to hell as well as mocsta doing it I think kept you off a ton of radars for ages and thus our deaths insured you living a long time. However. If you go back on day 2 and 3. You and holy spend more time poking at me then most players. Mig and artanis do make comments, but the ones primarily bringing up the "lets off bc" were you two. Or at least that was from my view. Can you imagine had you two been slightly less active with pushing my death? Then add in the play I made day 3 where I almost saved myself at one point? The likelyhood of me surviving the double lynch and leaving mafia with my lynch happening later and thrawn dying later as well would have ensured an earlier win. I am not saying that you guys did horribly but day 1 bussing the mafia 2 shot vig was terrible. That led me into being angry and thus being a tard about it. That led two people to go "bc should be dying for this" and push me to hell. Our bussing got us killed far faster.
Yeah you are right about that. I wasn't even aware he was the vig. It wasn't nearly as big of a bus as you made it out to be. I said the case on Mocsta is the best case in thread and then SS happened to listen to me when I said that rather than listen to Artanis' original case...(lol).
It's not like I went into the thread with extra knowledge and pointed out any slip up that might have occurred as both you and Mocsta attempted to do. (misinterpreting my post as having extra information/BC ---> "guys I think Mocsta was angry at Grack from being on a scum team with him...") Mig ----> "But Mocsta made angry posts towards other people too..."
I definitely could have pushed you less but you refused to make any real analysis. You never actually questioned anything in my entire filter you just kept attacking me for shitty reasons. Attacking Mig for shooting a doctor was no better. If you had started making some logical posts then I could move off but you wanted to create chaos instead.
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I will say you played very well in Supersoft's mason log but I never saw any of that until I was already very intent on lynching you.
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lol Coag was town
Fuck yeah I won. take that town, my plan worked perfectly
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Meh I'm very defensive of my play. In hindsight the game could have been much easier if I had bussed less and I will keep that in mind in the future.
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if anything it worked out to your advantage because legitimate anger at a teammate is hard to fake, so I didn't realize grackaroni was mafia until I was dead. A disfunct mafia team can be used to your advantage when you guys were mad at eachother as early as day 1, which is where I would find most of the alignments in the game at a later time
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Actual question: Why wasn't Grack policy lynched for lying? I plan on continuing to try and policy lynch people in the future for stuff like that. Any tips on getting other people to do it as well?
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I don't see why I would be since it wasn't a serious claim. Coag's reaction was priceless. Would you policy Rayn for lying about being a hatter?
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Maybe, but your lie had the potential to get someone lynched. His did not.
Edit: Which says to me that you were open to the possibility of your lie being used. The thing about lying in mafia is that you can always say later that you were just joking. What if Coag gets lynched there, though? You have more town cred flowing out your ass than you'd know what to do with.
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I don't really understand. How would I use that to get coag lynched?. "Coag denies me masoning him because scum! He's trying to discredit me!" *coag lynched* welp... he was a total troll. Let's get Kush.
If he was scum and it was some kind of a dumb ploy for my town cred town would figure it out. Why would Coag randomly deny a mason qt for no reason.
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I lied about being doctor.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
i'd like to note that a non-trivial component of the case on me was that I was pushing grack, who was an "easy lynch" and who in fact never got lynched all game despite being scum
my hat off to you grack you are a slippery fish
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Lmao BH. You deserve more respct than you get while I get more than I deserve. World = Funny.
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BH you loved that sock head breadcrumb. Admit it!
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Dude that sock head crumb was pretty next level.
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There was just no way you were town after you said that you couldn't believe people were taking such a dumb breadcrumb seriously.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
yeah, that was probably a misplay since all my crumbs are like that
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