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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 08 2013 13:17 GMT
#7841
Adam thanks for the write up

great thoughts and I agree with many.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 08 2013 13:31 GMT
#7842
On December 08 2013 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 21:43 Adam4167 wrote:
I'll leave advice for the scum team to someone who's survived past day 1 as scum before.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not even joking -_-


huuuh?


My track record as scum is pretty atrocious. I need to shadow a good scum player. I'm not qualified to be giving out advice on how to play scum, so I wont!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 08 2013 13:38 GMT
#7843
Hmm. I am planning on cutting down on posts. Like 15 a day max. Next fresh game though.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 08 2013 13:49 GMT
#7844
Actions/roles spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtQ-z1Y0D1ivdFh1ZlNTT1k5UXVXX2pqamtMbjdlSUE&usp=drive_web#gid=0
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 08 2013 14:09 GMT
#7845
SHOULDA MADE ME MAYOR INSTEAD OF THE 3P DUDE WHO ACTIVELY LURKED FOR 24 HOURS D1 AND STOPPED VOTING FOR HIMSELF.

Can't say much else, CBA to read this thread past when I died. Ended about 10 pages past Chrono, rofl.
Writer@WriterYamato
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 08 2013 14:24 GMT
#7846
On December 08 2013 23:09 yamato77 wrote:
SHOULDA MADE ME MAYOR INSTEAD OF THE 3P DUDE WHO ACTIVELY LURKED FOR 24 HOURS D1 AND STOPPED VOTING FOR HIMSELF.

Can't say much else, CBA to read this thread past when I died. Ended about 10 pages past Chrono, rofl.


I wrote this on D1 in the host QT:

"Town are choosing 2 people out of three in this election:

One has talked himself out of perfect reads.
One has a scums hand so far up his ass he may as well be wearing a red vest.
One isn't even town.

Yep. Tears are coming."

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-08 14:42:35
December 08 2013 14:41 GMT
#7847
On December 08 2013 21:33 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 21:06 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
I did see your response but I'm still on my phone.

I'll get around to tunnelling you don't worry. Right after I figure out how to save risen.

On November 25 2013 08:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Everyone voting Risen, if you're town this is unacceptable because SS has proven himself to be completely untrustworthy. BC has proven himself capable of fooling the guy you are sheeping. You can't all be scum, so what gives?

On November 25 2013 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Hopeless why do you think Risen is town?

I dont think he's town, this lynch just feels shitty is all. Going to bed now so I'll try to make something happen in the morning.

There is no way someone is town after this sequence of posts. Then on the following day he votes risen without any justification at all.


And there you go. A simple case, a single line.

It shows a clear disconnect in logical thought processes in just a 4 hour period where Hopeless says 'Right after I figure out how to save Risen' to 'I don't think hes town, its just a shitty lynch'. Do you frequently try to derail lynches on someone you have a 'not town' or 'null' read on? Does any townie do this, ever? Nope.

Then to vote him the next day without reason should have moved him into the 'kill with fire' category.

I'd LOVE to have seen his response to this case if someone had picked up on it at the time.



My response to syllo's case on me being scum Re: my stance on Risen is based largely on the context of those posts:
+ Show Spoiler +


Syllo, two of those three points are basically jokes.

First quote, I was referencing this from holy, note "save" in his quote:
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On November 25 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
For a "pretty important" lynch you (and a lot of people) are quite content to slap a vote on Risen and then nope the fuck out of the thread.


So where are your reads to "save" risen then, angry man?

Second quote was my attempt to mock Pandain, because he's scum and he needs to fucking die. Actually I'd say Risen is almost certainly town and Pandain is working for towncred. BC had no intention of killing Pandain and did it to WIFOM the shit out of us. Looks like it worked like a fucking charm too, so gratz on the free win scumteam. Maybe town can pull its collective heads from its asses to get this lynch on to scum?

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Hopeless why do you think Risen is town?

I dont think he's town, this lynch just feels shitty is all. Going to bed now so I'll try to make something happen in the morning.

Yeah this one has changed, Pandain is trying to soak town-cred by looking reasonable. Can someone please respond to my goddamn cases on him?



Some parts of this case may have changed depending on when someone decided to call me out, but that would have been the jist of it. I think I would have gotten away with the snarky joke-type posts considering my "claim"
On November 24 2013 13:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
SS' final reads can take a backseat. Anyone using the fact that he's confirmed town as reasoning to say that SS is all of a sudden 100% right needs to slap themselves in the face as hard as they can. Take your dominant hand (for most people that's the right hand) and draw it in a rapid motion from right-to-left (left-to-right if left-handed) such that your palm strikes your cheek in a glancing but definitive contact that results in a jarring sensation. Good. Now play the fucking game you pieces of shit holy fuck balls dhjfsdahgkfjgshdvmdfiahfueahlguahlfhvkmfdvuhfglnwefujludhlfkjngfjnkj.

Disregard the WIFOM bombs caused by BC's voteswitch because that is exactly what it is - WIFOM. Explain why Risen is scum without BC incriminating him. In the meantime, explain how Pandain is town, knowing that he at some point has lied, either TO confirmed-town-supersoft in their masonchat or to the thread regarding said masonchat, or debunk my case on Pandain, or since you all have such a fucking hard-on for flipped townies, read Rayn's case on Pandain. I'm headed to bed shortly, and I'll be away from my computer until tomorrow evening. Maybe some phone posting tomorrow.
##Vote: Pandain

Btw, I'm 3rd party planar dragon, because semi-open setups with minimal notifications get broken by mass-claims (see OATS IS SCUM BECAUSE RB HERP DERP FUCKING SS CONFIRMED TOWN GREATEST EVAR OMG).

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 08 2013 14:50 GMT
#7848
I don't see how that explains anything or if it does, it still looks very awkward/suspiciously phrased
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 14:59 GMT
#7849
I would agree with you syllo. Town had a hard on to follow SS' reads since he was doublestacked. I wanted to get attention on me so I'd have an excuse to suicide, but floundering on Risen didn't give enough people second thoughts on me, so I continued to lurk and coasted to endgame.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-08 15:12:53
December 08 2013 15:11 GMT
#7850
That just backpedals your read again, looks even worse:

-Risen is town, get off his lynch
-I don't think risen is town, its just a shit lynch
-Risen is almost certainly town.

I'd be fixing my rope to the nearest tree after seeing that. Your evolution of logic would need to be ironclad for me to not want to kill you. If risen hadn't posted between all of your posts, id kill you regardless.



You were like a complete ninja this game. You'd waltz into the thread, say some stuff, disappear in a puff of smoke and everyone would just forget that you were ever there.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
December 08 2013 15:18 GMT
#7851
I was lynched for being too protown. 100% real heuristic.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
December 08 2013 16:04 GMT
#7852
On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it.

100% town

BloodyC0bbler
Supersoft
Pandain
Rayn
Coag
Koshi

Null

Cheesecake
Vayne
onegu
slam
lonemeow
Risen

Mafia
Thrawn
Grackeroni
HolyFlare
Hopeless1nder
Oatsmaster
Mig (possible)
Austin (possible)


Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game.

My reasoning behind these choices

Thrawn
I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right.

Grack
He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet.

HolyFlare
This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum.

Hopeless1nder.
Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red.

Oatmaster
SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable.

Mig
Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel.

Austin
Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list.



Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum.


Town shoulda just listened to this post yo
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 16:08 GMT
#7853
Thanks captain hindsight =P
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
December 08 2013 16:12 GMT
#7854
haha. Also as a note for anyone interested. My entire "wtf" meta bullshit case on grack day 2 was made out of pure anger. I blame him solely for shoving mocsta into the spotlight to the point he got shot. This could be unfair to grack, but given that grack bussed mocsta, me and I believe thrawn. Holy bussed me and thrawn and at one point was moving in on other teammates. Out team bussed so hard for virtually no reason and somehow still won. Even when they let thrawn die a day early and thus prolong the game longer. Mafia team made mistakes, sizable mistakes, but the town never took advantage on them and continued to chase town.

Overall I think the mafia as a whole did amazing in mason chats. But we bussed eachother hard in thread which should have cost us the game. Instead town chased the wrong people.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 08 2013 16:21 GMT
#7855
I bussed the people that didn't make sense :S
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 08 2013 16:23 GMT
#7856
I think it is pretty silly coming from you to come back and complain about bussing considering that you got lynched for hard pushing a shitty case on me and not looking at the game objectively.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 16:29 GMT
#7857
That thrawn bus was so colossally bad for scum that we all rode his corpse to confirmed-town land by virtue of "no scum is so bad as to bus in that scenario".
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 08 2013 16:30 GMT
#7858
I guess if you did it only because you were mad at me it is kind of understandable. I played lazily and bad most of the game especially day1. I bussed Mocsta because I wanted to have a decent filter and was too lazy to make up something on a townie like a good player. There was no way I couldn't bus you because you did nothing in the game but try to kill me for trolling. Force a case against me. Bitch about people doing nothing (only the scum ones) and then attack Mig for shooting a doctor.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 08 2013 16:35 GMT
#7859
i was actually kind of annoyed when Thrawn came back the next day after BC was lynched and posted a case on me that looked identical to BC's case while posting in the mafia qt that it made sense because it was all true... He was already lynched in my mind after that (he did a few other scummy things that I thought town had already been picking up on) I didn't outright target him but when Austin started convincing people to move I felt it was best to take the town cred rather than get an extra kill and have people wonder why we defended him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 08 2013 16:46 GMT
#7860
If thrawn wasn't afk for the day and posting loads in bttb then maybe risen woulda been lynched first but he didn't so bus was needed
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