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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 27 2013 06:28 GMT
#6781
On November 27 2013 15:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like unexplained town reads on town, sure that is kinda scummy. Like how does he know hes town. But scum doesnt want to be like ehhhh yeah my scumbuddy is town but I dunno why.

Unless at the point in time when giving said unjustified town reads a town Risen is in the lead on votes and set to be lynched so when Risen flips town VA has more cred on Thrawn being town. That is probably a stretch, though, I guess and overly paranoid.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 06:29 GMT
#6782
I DIDNT CALL HIN TOWN I SAID WE ARE THE SAME OUTLOOK OB MAFIA.

Sheesh!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 06:30 GMT
#6783
On November 27 2013 15:28 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 15:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like unexplained town reads on town, sure that is kinda scummy. Like how does he know hes town. But scum doesnt want to be like ehhhh yeah my scumbuddy is town but I dunno why.

Unless at the point in time when giving said unjustified town reads a town Risen is in the lead on votes and set to be lynched so when Risen flips town VA has more cred on Thrawn being town. That is probably a stretch, though, I guess and overly paranoid.

...oh

Sorry for yelling
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 27 2013 06:30 GMT
#6784
On November 27 2013 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Uh, mad hatter has to die before his bombs blow up.

Vayne not doing anything means hes town lol.
So reasons for Austin to be scum? I dont see any.

I know that, which means his role is unconfirmed.

Me not doing anything means I'm town as well, but where do we find ourselves
I thought I had a pretty good reason for austin to be scum. Looking at the post I linked earlier where I bragged about getting laid anonymously over the internet I thought it was scummy of austin for doing something back then. I also think his progression from Risen town to Risen scum was done very forced because it happened without me doing anything except not posting.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 27 2013 06:32 GMT
#6785
On November 27 2013 15:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 15:28 Risen wrote:
On November 27 2013 15:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like unexplained town reads on town, sure that is kinda scummy. Like how does he know hes town. But scum doesnt want to be like ehhhh yeah my scumbuddy is town but I dunno why.

Unless at the point in time when giving said unjustified town reads a town Risen is in the lead on votes and set to be lynched so when Risen flips town VA has more cred on Thrawn being town. That is probably a stretch, though, I guess and overly paranoid.

...oh

Sorry for yelling

Don't worry about it dude. I yell all the time in these things and never really mean the horrible things I say.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 06:32 GMT
#6786
Thing is Austin has been trying to help me try. Why do that as scum? To get towncred with someone few are going to listen to?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 27 2013 06:34 GMT
#6787
Well if you get carried into lylo then... sure? His helping you seems to me to be simply a side effect of his carrying thread discussion for a while now.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2013 06:34 GMT
#6788
Yeah but VA isnt under suspicion, you are.
Risen, so basically you think his claim makes him scum because? Or its not alignment indicative and you think something else makes him scum?
How exactly is Austin's progression bad/forced?

Uhh, Alak, how is VA scum?

No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 06:36 GMT
#6789
On November 27 2013 15:32 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 15:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 15:28 Risen wrote:
On November 27 2013 15:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like unexplained town reads on town, sure that is kinda scummy. Like how does he know hes town. But scum doesnt want to be like ehhhh yeah my scumbuddy is town but I dunno why.

Unless at the point in time when giving said unjustified town reads a town Risen is in the lead on votes and set to be lynched so when Risen flips town VA has more cred on Thrawn being town. That is probably a stretch, though, I guess and overly paranoid.

...oh

Sorry for yelling

Don't worry about it dude. I yell all the time in these things and never really mean the horrible things I say.

Is facetious.

And,

O.o assume I know everything you are about to say with regards to mafia etiquette and your outlook on the game.
Too similar is creeping me out.

Oats, a mission a mission? Soon, it will have to wait for tomorrow! I haven't got long, work in morning
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2013 06:38 GMT
#6790
Ok, thats alright.
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 06:39 GMT
#6791
On November 27 2013 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah but VA isnt under suspicion, you are.
Risen, so basically you think his claim makes him scum because? Or its not alignment indicative and you think something else makes him scum?
How exactly is Austin's progression bad/forced?

Uhh, Alak, how is VA scum?


Look at how he drops turds on everyone from his lofty notconfirmed notconfirmable claimed town spot and is just wholly disgusted with me a la Rayne.

If I am scum my play is not reprehensible. Since I am town I expect the whole scum team to be hating me now.

What has he done to help town? I could totally be wrong and just have missed it. You ordered those 4 by strength of my read too lol!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2013 06:46 GMT
#6792
Doesnt the dropping turds thing make him town? Also he does the same thing as rayn means that hes the same alignment right? Lol I dont get it.

AUSTIN MAN. TALK TO ME ABOUT AUSTIN.
Thats the one I think MIGHT be scum but I really dont know. Like I cant really tell his town games from his scum games and he hasnt done anything outrightly scummy in my eyes. Please change my mind.
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 06:52 GMT
#6793
On November 27 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Doesnt the dropping turds thing make him town? Also he does the same thing as rayn means that hes the same alignment right? Lol I dont get it.

AUSTIN MAN. TALK TO ME ABOUT AUSTIN.
Thats the one I think MIGHT be scum but I really dont know. Like I cant really tell his town games from his scum games and he hasnt done anything outrightly scummy in my eyes. Please change my mind.

Well here

Irate i saw Rayne as actively anti town. I think he was getting sour with us on a personal level and sabotaging as a big final "fux to you all".

Austin was trying to help me help town, that is the only thing I have on him so I'll filter him. When I was scum with him in aperture I only really noticed him in the qt until he almost hammers me with my scum team. Then he just looks derpy to me until I am not lynched then he looks like a badass scum master of all time to me. So rofl on me trying meta!

Filtering. I will not be able to reply for 8ish hours.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:11 GMT
#6794
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2013 04:18 austinmcc wrote:
Yo, elect me pardoner or mayor, but probably pardoner cuz VE is mostly okay unless he keeps his cards as close to his vest as he has been right right right up until the very end. Assuming he actually gets a little more talky with a little time to spare, he's a fine choice.

WHY YOU WANT ME ELECTED?

I'm generally active. Especially after D1s, and I don't usually peter out in the endgame, but get rather spammy and talkative and try to work things out. You want me alive for that.

I promote good thread atmospheres, which is a good thing to have around, and I ask the hard-hitting questions other mafia players aren't man enough to ask.

I'm town.

I asked about factional numbers cuz I wanted to know how many mafia there are. Mafia know this already. Yes, this is not particularly strong.

You want a vest on me. I want a vest on me. I would like a vest. Plox to give.

Also, I think yamato is town but I'd like the vest instead of him. Gimme gimme! + Show Spoiler +
He backtracked on grack and BC, what looked like two early decent-size scumreads, at times when scum didn't need to backtrack on those and call them town, and when scum could EASILY continue to call them both scummy. There's no real reason for him to do so as scum, mild townie points.

I also liked this piece of one of his "caught up with threads list of thoughts" posts -
On November 15 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Risen, why do you read Yamato VE as scum? Both are nearly universal town reads so far and I don't find them particularly scummy. It worries me that you haven't tried pursuing them when thread sentiment is in their favour.

I think Rayn is scum. His nitpicking on HolyFlare's open post feels awful to me. HF's post was clearly not alignment indicative. Mayoral campaigns was something everyone had in the back of their minds when they signed up for this game. Obviously you'll already have thoughts of how to write it down. Furthermore there's lots of things stating the obvious. Don't like the ignoring of Risen either. Says he doesn't like people needlessly antagonizing others then proceeds to do it himself.

I've got an opinion on the Mocsta vs Storrzerg thing but I'd rather give him a chance to respond first and see where it goes. Also hate Mig's opening post. More stating the obvious and no followup so far.

I'll also support any supersoft lynch on the base of him being a dick.


I don't exactly think rayn is mafia, but I can get behind everything else said in this post, and also subsequent posts. Super's play is strictly worse than attempting to be as neutral as possible.


Read the post, broke it down, agrees with this, disagrees with that, comes off more looking like he is reading and examining what others write, and not reading so as to find things to poke at.



As far as the couple people that have posted suspicions of me:
+ Show Spoiler +
For anyone suspecting me because of questions, my mindset today is to poke around at a couple folks and see what I think about them. Assuming I don't get elected mayor, which I didn't think I would given I never pushed early or really pushed hard at all, it's 120 hours of game before there's a lynch.

I have risen pretty townie based on his responses, and I wanted a read on risen because usually his analysis is decent, I know he wants to win games, and I'd like to be able to trust what he writes from the start (a lot of this stems from the recent Aperture game (i think that one) where he was 3P but tried hard to carry town one day so he wouldn't lose the game as 3P. I liked that).

I poked at rayn because I fought with rayn in Cop Sandwich Mafia, but I didn't see his pandain read and, if he's townie, I want to examine reads where he and I differ. Poked at sharrant just because sharrant was easily pokeable, and I liked his response to hiro's early post. Poked at onegu because he had one extraordinarily townie post imo, and one really scummy post imo, and I wanted to harmonize and see what I actually thought he was (super townie for his post on super explaining that he didn't want a mayor who was willing to create a bad atmosphere and scummy for his early post on holyflare, felt like one of those "yeah, i'ma find this guy scummy too, let's just go through his whole filter and call out random stuff without really creating any kind of compelling narrative!" posts).

Some of the lack of followup is time, some of it is people not getting around to answering for hours and hours. It derails any kind of conversation feel and that's what I want. Don't worry oats, I will examine you later and peer into your soul and we will chat and I will know your alignment.


This stuck out. He had advocated Hiro pro destroying the position earlier by putting kushm4sta in it, yet nowhere wants it.

So! I find it interesting, but is it alignment indicative? Dunno.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:15 GMT
#6795
On November 17 2013 06:07 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone should vote for Supersoft. I'm not even joking, he's probably the only chance we have for getting an obviously town (to most everyone) decent analyst up in the role (no offense yamato) if we're for whatever reason having doubts about VE and BC.
Hey!

On November 17 2013 06:18 austinmcc wrote:
VE, whuddabout me?

Hey.

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:18 GMT
#6796
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2013 13:12 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 12:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey austin.. or whoever but austin I specifically want you to answer this... can you give me a recap of D1 with emphasis on people who were at least above the lurker threshold, but not one the main talking points of D1 because of sneaky reasons?
7:23 AM. CHINATOWN, IN A SMALL CZECH CITY ON RIGEL 4 (CZECHOSLOVAKIA HAS COLONIZED RIGEL 4, DEAL WITH IT).

Thread starts remarkably active. Grack trolling, VE looking decent, yamato looking decent, even oats posting a decent amount. A lot of not much happens, but VE comes out looking good from it and appears to be a mayoral frontrunner.

1/4 of the way through D1, rayn and HolyFlare get into a pooping contest. We confirm that both can, indeed, poop, and both can poop copious amounts. This is the first real big point of discussion imo, and the first thing that spawns some reads and a lot of chatter.

BC calls out grackaroni and storrzerg. This shifts the rayn/HF fight, which does continue somewhat, into some discussion of Grack, some discussion of BC. BC, prior to this post, hadn't done boatloads.

A lot of people are running for mayor but are their only vote. Onegu, me, alakaslam, I think a couple others. Otherwise, there is really very little movement on votes, people liked VE and yamato early, and while they haven't been terribly involved as of late, they remain the main two candidates. supersoft is also getting a couple votes, campaigning based on being a vet and wanting protection and usually dying early. While he is often making kinda asshole-y posts, the vast majority of folks find him townie.

That takes you probably to the halfway point. No MASSIVE action, but a decent start --> rayn/HF --> BC post would be my main highlights of the first 24 hours. There's a funky point where yamato outs LastMeow as having masoned him, with believable reason as to why LM would target yamato, but ... it's a strange time to just out someone like that and then drop it. That would be a minor happening to check out.

After that...there is relatively little movement in terms of votes. Supersoft picks up some more votes, and the voting is pretty clearly between yamato/VE/supersoft for mayor and pardoner. Some votes get moved towards the end, there are a lot of "I think yamato is town but want other dudes to have protection," including from me. I don't know yet if anything is to be gained from the votes, but there was a tiny bit of movement from maybe ~6 hours left onwards.

Otherwise, BC sort of slides off and doesn't do much. supersoft starts posting a little more, starts getting more people involved. VE disappears. BH makes a stupid tracker claim for very little reason, people poke around at it and fight over it --> pandain, rayn, maybe grack a little? Mig posts a spreadsheet of reads and a couple other things. Mocsta makes some strange cases on a couple people. Grack trolls slightly less, but still trolls. Spaghetticus is the only person to really get on VE's ass, writes a couple sizeable posts considering VE to be scummy, doesn't get lots of traction, but had a couple people talking about it.

There really just isn't oodles of note from D1. It wasn't...dead, but there weren't a lot of high impact points that I can recall.


As far as semi-lurkers, others may agree/disagree, but I would say you're looking at the lowest lowest super lurky tier being

Coag
Hiro Protag (you replaced)
Hopeless1der
Stutters (posted that he didn't know game started, 1-2 posts, gone)
LoneMeow (involved in masonry)
Cheesecake (i put him here)

The second tier of slightly less lurky people, who were maybe involved in a thing or two:

Mattchew
Sharrant (maybe)
Spaghetticus (maybe)
OOHCHILD
BH (really only involved in things he started)

People with some posts, but either I can't call to mind anything specific they really impacted OR they were involved in 1-2 discussions, somewhat heavily, and then were not too involved in anything else:

Sharrant (maybe goes here)
Vayne
Holyflare (maybe)
Oats (maybe)
Alakaslam (maybe)


It's kind of a normal big game with a lot of lurk and semi-lurk. There were only a few people standing opposed to each other during the day, rayn/HF, i think rayn/koshi for a bit, spaghett coming out strongly against VE, BC coming out strongly against grack.

As far as people who didn't get talked ABOUT in those lists, you're looking at Coag, LoneMeow (outside of masonry), Cheesecake, Spaghetticus, and probably a little oats/alakaslam. Most other folks got poked by someone, or were brought up occasionally by a bunch of folks as "dat dude lurks/hasn't done anything townie", or were serious momentary topics of discussion.


There's my too-long summary. Welcome to game. I wish I'd made this post more thematic and included scenes and timestamps and stuff about Czechoslovakia, but I didn't. Also, I think it's the Czech Republic and has been for...quite some time? I think I may be dating myself on calling it a different name. Boo.


I really like
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:22 GMT
#6797
On November 17 2013 13:39 austinmcc wrote:
Kush/OOHCHILD (what do we call you?), if you're still around.

This game is a salsa. The players are all specific ingredients in the salsa.

Who is the tomatoes? Not the most flavorful, but ever-present and they hold the salsa together.
Who is the jalapeno? Not the spiciest pepper ever, but they stand out and have a little kick to em.
Who is the seeds and ribs of the peppers? They make the salsa taste bad and get thrown out.
Who is the onion? You might cry if you cut him, and he helps flavor the salsa.
Who is the salt? There isn't a whole lot of him by volume, but his contributions bring out the flavors of the other ingredients?
Who is the ghost pepper? I don't know why marv puts ghost peppers in his salsa, but this is the spiciest player in the thread. Very little of him, but SO SPICY DO NOT EAT DANGER DANGER.

I really liked this post

Even said onion

I am an idiot

Austin was blue hunting day one . . .
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:24 GMT
#6798
On November 17 2013 14:10 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 14:09 OOHCHILD wrote:
im never answering the salsa question
You are. You just don't know it yet.

2/3 of the people who have ducked my questions have been scum.

The 1/3 was Waveofshadow.

You're either mafia or Waveofshadow if you duck my question. Do you really want that? Deep down...do you want that?

Kudos, Kush ...

Was he NK?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:30 GMT
#6799
On November 18 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:26 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 17 2013 23:12 Spaghetticus wrote:
I want him dead.

That lynch confirmed that I was right to not want him mayor at the very least. I'm struggling to see how he could possibly be town, though I'm willing to admit that there may be some meta thang the rest of you have access to, like in the case of BH.

Then you should be suspicious of Austinmcc- I helped him put SuperSoft up and he switched to VE on me.
Read my posts around that time, slam. You're misconstruing what I wanted to do.

I wanted VE > Supersoft > yamato.

I voted super instead of myself to push him up to even with yamato (it was 9-8-7 VE/Yam/Super iirc). So it hit 9-8-8 iirc, with yamato still being pardoner.

Then you voted ss, which made it 9-8-9, and i was safe to hop onto VE, the guy I ultimately wanted to win. I did not want someone to pop in and knock ss over VE and into mayor.

Hmmm
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 27 2013 07:31 GMT
#6800
On November 18 2013 04:34 austinmcc wrote:
Yes. I do.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote:
Austin Lets play a game read your own filter and tell me what is missing, maybe compare it to a type of food. Im thinking a marshmellow do you agree? All fluff, looks good, but nothing of substance. You give your first scum read on page 6 of your filter. My note go like this for you. Wow very good at attepting to get people involved with questions. Good back and forth with people. Very detailed thought process. Very active. Wait there are no scum reads. Only gives town reads. Doesnt call anyone scum. Only scumread a lurker and "Rayn could be scum, but I have had him more scummy in his other town games"
If this is your read on me, then that is sexy. I'm doing what I'm trying to do.

I don't care about the other stuff right now. It's a mayor game in which it was relatively obvious I was not going to be mayor. That means the first lynch I really have a say in is 120 hours into the game. I'd rather get people involved, let everyone see my thought processes, and just lay a good foundation for future days. Yes, that may look scummy to you. I don't care, it's exactly what I'm trying to do. It's up to you to balance whether you think the lack of reads overrides the other things I'm doing, which I would argue are normally townie things.

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