TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 322

marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:06 AM ET (US)
Holyflare and Artanis[Xp] mason, day 2 / night 2
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
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Hey there
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:24 AM ET (US)
Oh hey, just saw the post. I consider you confirmed town pretty much, and I figure you consider me confirmed town as well. Anything specific you had in mind that you wanted to talk about in private?
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:31 AM ET (US)
Also, I've been keeping some notes which you might find useful, I dunno. They're not personal notes but rather keeping tabs of what player had which opinion on whom. The Y axis gives opinions on the X axis. Light red = minor scumread, darker red = strong scumread, same goes for light green and darker green. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvvOwmiQ9kSkdGxsWkRMbEk3c21HMGpTN3NRaGRVenc#gid=0
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:35 AM ET (US)
I think you shot mocsta? If so congrats :D:D:D:D

I want to talk about risen, his posts have just been naming 3 or 4 people as scum and then afking from the thread. What do you think?
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:39 AM ET (US)
Yeah I shot Mocsta. I almost didn't do it after Rayn and co gave him a townread, but eventually said fuck it, WE'LL DO IT LIVE. I fistpumped pretty hard when I saw the flip.
I don't really have a scumread on Risen but that comes from other people having townreads on him and plenty of other suspects being around so I haven't really bothered.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:43 AM ET (US)
Yeh, I'm kinda pooped after writing a lot and I'm sick too so excuse my lack of effort for a while. Seeing as we now have this chat though, I want to tell you that I think grack might also be scum. I didn't put it in my post because of the current thread sentiment yada yada but he just doesn't sit right with me. I think what BC said about him was way too non townlike mentality that he KNEW why mocsta was attacking grack.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:44 AM ET (US)
So you think they might be saccing Grack for towncred? If that's the case then I don't think BH can be scum, scum can't be in THAT bad a position.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:45 AM ET (US)
As for Oats, I don't think your case makes him scum, just useless which he has been quite some times in the past.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:46 AM ET (US)
Yeh, that's why there were 15 votes on him. I said it was going down too easily and a BH lynch wouldn't get enough info for us. If we lynch say oats/bc/hopeless we have a VERY good chance based on analysis of posts they've made over days rather than BH lying about a role and that's it.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:47 AM ET (US)
If we don't get a BC lynch I'm gonna shoot him at night unless something drastic changes, I might just get RBed though since scum probably expects me to be the vig that shot moc.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:47 AM ET (US)
Useless isn't exactly helpful then is it? We can therefore not tell if he is useless town or useless scum, what good is there on a risk? The fact that you shot mocsta gives us some affordability to lynch into people like that. Most probably tomorrow in the double lynch though IMO.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:51 AM ET (US)
I'm hoping Stutters will get modkilled/replaced by D3, otherwise he'd be one of the ones I want to lynch since there's absolutely no use to him, more unreadable than anyone else in the game.
Oats did put in a bit more effort in ## Mafia from what I saw when I glanced over his filter, made a short case on SnB I believe but even there he mostly posts 1-2 liners. Rarely does any analyzing, just says whatever comes to his mind when he's reading the thread. He's playing in a similar fashion this game and I don't know the exact difference between his town and scum play. I remember Promethelax said he found Oats super easy to read and he made a post about it sometime, so I'm gonna see if I can dig that up.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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Hope mattchew gets modkilled too because I think he is also scummy
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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Do you plan on switching your vote to BC?
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:55 AM ET (US)
I already switched to BC.
What do you think about Austin? He's a serious scumspect to me as well.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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08:57 AM ET (US)
I think he had a townish attitude with the question asking and was distracted because he spent so much time in the thread rather than the mason chat. I'm not 100% sure on him though I think he's actually pretty null especially as he has played so many games. I don't think I saw him follow through with any aggression based on the information he got yesterday either although I could be wrong. Entirely underwhelming for now so I don't actually know too well :/
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:59 AM ET (US)
He seems to have a lot of opinions but they're all super unconvinced and his questions don't seem to lead him anywhere. He seems content to look like he's contributing until he finds a suitable target that won't get him much flak like LoneMeow. If you go through your mason chat he never has a strong opinion on anyone.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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09:01 AM ET (US)
That is true and he was quite distant in regards to the mocsta bit, I had to ask him again just so he would talk about him.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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That being said, I was also unconvinced about almost everyone day 1
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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Aww come on, you knew I was town <3
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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Only after mocsta died :D I think. I can't even remember day 1 that well lololol
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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Current deathlist:
The Cobbler
BH
Mattchew
Hopeless1der
Austinmcc
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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damn it why is the thread so dead when I return

Think i'm gonna take a nap or something till people get back try and find that oats meta thing for me!
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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09:07 AM ET (US)
That is a good death list
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
09:09 AM ET (US)
Alright, I will.
Anyone else you find interesting other than Risen that isn't on the list? I'll make sure to check them.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
12:49 PM ET (US)
Jesus christ.... this ray... really!?
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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rayn*
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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There is grack, not checked up on pandain yet so maybe him and I honestly haven't looked at much else to find conclusions yet.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
01:33 PM ET (US)
I just don't think Grack can be scum after Mocsta's flip, and Mig gave good reasons for Pandain probably not being a scummer.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
02:07 PM ET (US)
Oh yeh mig! I actually thought he was pretty towny and his notes, even though people said it made him look bad just made him look more towny to me. Haven't checked him yet though.

Did you find that oats meta yet?
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
02:11 PM ET (US)
Hard to explain, but Oats probably isn't scum. Also Mig has made a ton of sense to me so I feel he's likely town but I'm not certain on it.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
03:18 PM ET (US)
Rayn's tunnel is getting annoying, wish we could talk about more productive things.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:54 PM ET (US)
BC's post is so god damn scummy wth
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
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Why are people saying "BC town lol" !?!?
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
06:34 PM ET (US)
To be honest BC's towngame has been highly unimpressive, I linked a case I dumped on him in LXI earlier. He was town that game.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
07:00 PM ET (US)
Hmm, austin's entrance brings up some nice points. It is also lacking in other areas though.. Not sure what to make of it at all.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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07:08 PM ET (US)
Like quite frankly he asked SO many questions yesterday I thought he would have actual reads but they amount to nothing really. He's called some people town and at the end of the day ended on the same consensus of lynch BH. I don't think that's good at all.

I will wait for his BC post though, maybe that is at least accusatory of something.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
07:12 PM ET (US)
I would be quite happy to see austin hang.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
07:38 PM ET (US)
and there's his thrawn curveball, at least it's somebody people were calling town and not really anybody called scum, that's always a +++
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
07:48 PM ET (US)
This game is hard.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
07:49 PM ET (US)
Haha you're telling me...... doesn't help when people like BH go fucking afk -.-
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:10 PM ET (US)
zzzzzzzzzz assassins, wasted day!
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:11 PM ET (US)
Not surprised at all.
Still planning to go for the BC shot atm.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:15 PM ET (US)
Sounds good to me
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
09:00 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't even mind an austin shot either.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
01:08 PM ET (US)
This game is too complicated for me. What do you think of Rayn's updated reads?
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
01:23 PM ET (US)
I think they're not very accurate. Thinking/pretending sharrant is alive is not alignment indicative at all, austin I think he's right on, supersoft not so much but now that I know who the mason circle was (bc/ss/pandain/ve) I am even more convinced that bc is scum. koshi... the mason chat makes him look towny for trying to help someone look more towny, slam and risen are unknowns, I think risen if he was scum would be trying a lot harder to win the game, slam I have no idea he's completely different to when I played with him as both alignments
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
01:28 PM ET (US)
I agree in that I don't think LM and Koshi are scum, as well as having a strong scumread on BC still. I just hope my shot on BC will go through. Stupid Kush explicitly suggesting I'm vig :<
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
01:43 PM ET (US)
Yeh I wouldn't post qt till resolution and then he straight up says it lol
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
02:51 PM ET (US)
Actually I have a little idea. Can you somehow subtlely bring up the issue of who shot mocsta, then give the argument that it doesn't make sense for me to shoot him since I cased him and lobbied for his lynch? If I was vigilante, it wouldn't make sense for me to do that since I wouldn't want attention to him so I could shoot him afterwards. I can't say it myself because if I wasn't vigi it wouldn't make sense for me to say that, but if you can slip it in somewhere without it looking suspicious that could help quite a bit in not getting me rbed.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
02:53 PM ET (US)
Damn Mig asked who you masoned at a bad time :/
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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02:57 PM ET (US)
that doesn't make sense though :O why wouldn't you shoot the person you have great suspicions on? and should I tell him?
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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Wait, even better idea, claim you shot Mocsta, you're a 1 shot vigi and you didn't want to say it until now to see who would come after you or something like that.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
02:58 PM ET (US)
It wouldn't make sense to make my greatest scumspect known since I'm vig and can shoot him at night. It makes sense to shoot my biggest scumspect, but it doesn't make sense to make it public who that is.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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02:58 PM ET (US)
lol wow but then I'll die? :D:D:D
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
02:59 PM ET (US)
I guess it's worth it if you get to shoot bc though
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:00 PM ET (US)
Convincing them you're the vig will get you rbed, not shot. I'm the obv townie whilst you still have some suspicions on you so you should only get rbed.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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03:00 PM ET (US)
SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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03:03 PM ET (US)
Also don't tell Mig that we're masoned yet. I'm gonna feign afkness because it'd be pretty suspicious if I instantly came back as you came back to the thread to scum that there's foul play afoot.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:03 PM ET (US)
I know what's going to happen rofl I can see the future, rayn is gonna be like NO THATS A LIE U SCUM I PUT BOMB ON YOU then rayn is gonna get shot and then i'm gonna blow up

hahaha it's so true it's sad :'(
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:07 PM ET (US)
It can't be false since it'd be suicide if you were fakeclaiming as I could just claim it. What's more likely is that it's going to be seen through because you posted it so blatantly without a thought process behind it.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:11 PM ET (US)
well what thought process can their possibly be behind revealing you are a vig in the middle of the night.... the way I put it leaves you completely out, it enables people to think "oh maybe he's only 1 shot vig and is drawing rb's for other roles"
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:12 PM ET (US)
Well you could've tried creating some semi believable storyline, didn't need to be posted immediately
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:14 PM ET (US)
if people check I had suspicions in my mason logs that point to mocsta, mocsta/rayn were the 2 people i was going to make a case on in my mayoral race but I didn't have time (said it in my mason logs too) it's not unbelievable
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:30 PM ET (US)
What if mafia have a doctor, aren't they likely to heal BC? We've only accounted for rb'ers
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:42 PM ET (US)
if there isn't a second vig I doubt marv would put in a doc AND a rber, seems fairly redundant.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:42 PM ET (US)
wait wait, how do you know there is a rber?!
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
03:43 PM ET (US)
like, nobody has claimed being rb'd so... do I need to rethink you???
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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04:08 PM ET (US)
There has to be a RBer with so many roles. I'm presuming it exists.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
04:12 PM ET (US)
mmk...
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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04:16 PM ET (US)
at least people believe me about the vig shot If bc doesn't die though, god help you because I will smite you down!
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
04:28 PM ET (US)
BC will die if scum actually believes you. Also I am confirmed town to you. I literally can't be scum unless I shot my own scumbuddy then didn't claim it in thread.
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Holyflare
11-20-2013
04:38 PM ET (US)
No you aren't confirmed as nobody has claimed the mocsta shot yet and i am the one that started the convo saying you shot mocsta so it's easy to just agree. I admit it's very likely it was you but I'll know by resolution period at least. No harm being cautious
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
04:44 PM ET (US)
If I wasn't the shooter you'd get counterclaimed at some point at which you'd know I'm scum. It's literally suicide.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
04:49 PM ET (US)
Yeh, I wouldn't get counterclaimed until resolution at least that's what I'm waiting for. Hence why I'm saying it's very likely......
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
05:11 PM ET (US)
You only have 2 shots? If in resolution i say I was 1 shot vigi and drawing rb's away then at least you can shoot the next night and not really have any worries of being rb'd, or we could just claim it in resolution, up to you really.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
05:47 PM ET (US)
I'm just gonna claim during resolution.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
05:50 PM ET (US)
Actually I'm gonna claim right now and mindfuck the fuck outta scum if they saw through the idea.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
05:53 PM ET (US)
This is either a fucking dumb idea or it's.. well it's probably a dumb idea.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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06:05 PM ET (US)
That was....... ridiculous!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Now I am really incredibly likely to get shot if there's a 2nd vigi or get somethinged by anyone else
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
06:09 PM ET (US)
If my plan was dumb, yours was the dumbest :D
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
06:09 PM ET (US)
No they won't because if I didn't approve of your fakeclaiming I would've said in thread that I was shooting you obv
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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06:49 PM ET (US)
Well I hope you didn't get me killed :D
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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I hope I got you killed by scum instead of me but the ploy is probably too see-through.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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Or well, I'd be happy to die, I just want my shot to not get blocked.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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07:22 PM ET (US)
pan the fires on austin a bit, I want to get a better read on him.
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
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07:23 PM ET (US)
fan the fires even.
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
07:29 PM ET (US)
you don't believe his vet claim?
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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if you get rb'd you get your bullet back so np np
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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then it's easy to tell what happened the next night
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ArtanisPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
07:32 PM ET (US)
I doubt scum would just rb me because then they'd have to rb me again and again until they decide to shoot me and wouldn't be able to use it for anything else, plus it'd give town info.
I still have question marks regarding the validity, it doesn't hurt to pressure him a bit.