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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 06:36 GMT
#6061
Also, do you have anything better then "Grack trolls", because even though you say that he's doing it to deflect attention, I don't think Grack is afraid of the spotlight as scum. In my only game where I knew he was scum, he openly claimed a role and then unclaimed because he didn't want to be "mod-confirmed". He's not going to shirk and that can't be a sole reason. I also don't think he's shirking, he's just trolling and you never can just back down from trolling.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 24 2013 06:36 GMT
#6062
On November 24 2013 15:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Grack it's stuff like this:

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:
There is only one party and that party is Kush. Come and recognize it's master.
##Vote: Kushm4sta
All who oppose him shall be branded an enemy of the state.


This is what you did during D1. You trolled around "pushing" the kush for mayor lynch when iirc he didn't even want to be mayor, and in case he was town probably would have been one of the worst mayor candidates. Starting from that post in your filter there are several more afterwards where you talk about wanting kush for mayor but none of it looks like you ACTUALLY want him in that position... it's just trolling. Yamato pressures you to actually do something productive and you respond with this:

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:25 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I agree with VE. Let's elect Kushm4sta as Mayor and then allow him to exterminate the supposed Hiro Protagonist for his blatant anti kush sentiment.

there's actually stuff you could talk about, you know

All I see is dick measuring competition so far.

that's a cheap cop-out

you can actually be useful as town

as mafia, well, let's just say you're living up to those expectations currently

Nah, more fun this way. When I find mafia I'll let you know.


This is what I'm referring to when I say Grack's trolling is a means of deflection from actually having to contribute.

Yeah I absolutely love the Kushm4sta and sometimes I do things purely for my own enjoyment. If there was anything really telling at the start of the game I would have commented on it. You make it sound like everybody is asking for my opinion on people and I just deflect but that isn't the case. You can ask me whatever you would like and I will give you a serious answer.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 06:37 GMT
#6063
On November 24 2013 13:19 austinmcc wrote:

I notice you really poked at onegu's votes, which are, indeed, kinda awful. Do you think his play as a WHOLE is scummy? Is the rest of his play townie/null, but the votes are just so bad that he's scummy?


I just read through his filter... and no, I don't. There are a few posts in particular that feel really genuine, like this one:

On November 18 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't have a scumread on you after the last game.
Well i can but as long as you are "helping me" i don't even care if you are scum.



And I feel I am playing this game better than witchcraft, which is why I feel people who have played with me often should have scum reads on me lol.


It looks like an honest assessment of his play coupled with some good awareness of how other people should view him... it looks a lot more like a post that comes from a town mindset than from a scum one. A lot of his filter feels like that. His response to me about his D3 votes was that he wasn't voting on real lynch candidates because he thought all of them were town. It could just be a convenient position he set himself up for but after reading his filter... I don't think that's the case.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 06:38 GMT
#6064
You also said you read the thread Thrawn, did you now or did you take a break, which I do understand as either alignment a lot of it was a shit fest.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 06:39 GMT
#6065
Thrawn you should mason me by the way if you want.

That or mig.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 24 2013 06:40 GMT
#6066
On November 24 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 15:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Grack it's stuff like this:

On November 15 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:
There is only one party and that party is Kush. Come and recognize it's master.
##Vote: Kushm4sta
All who oppose him shall be branded an enemy of the state.


This is what you did during D1. You trolled around "pushing" the kush for mayor lynch when iirc he didn't even want to be mayor, and in case he was town probably would have been one of the worst mayor candidates. Starting from that post in your filter there are several more afterwards where you talk about wanting kush for mayor but none of it looks like you ACTUALLY want him in that position... it's just trolling. Yamato pressures you to actually do something productive and you respond with this:

On November 15 2013 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:25 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I agree with VE. Let's elect Kushm4sta as Mayor and then allow him to exterminate the supposed Hiro Protagonist for his blatant anti kush sentiment.

there's actually stuff you could talk about, you know

All I see is dick measuring competition so far.

that's a cheap cop-out

you can actually be useful as town

as mafia, well, let's just say you're living up to those expectations currently

Nah, more fun this way. When I find mafia I'll let you know.


This is what I'm referring to when I say Grack's trolling is a means of deflection from actually having to contribute.

Yeah I absolutely love the Kushm4sta and sometimes I do things purely for my own enjoyment. If there was anything really telling at the start of the game I would have commented on it. You make it sound like everybody is asking for my opinion on people and I just deflect but that isn't the case. You can ask me whatever you would like and I will give you a serious answer.

Testify, brotha, testify. I remember you settin' aside my blues early.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 06:40 GMT
#6067
On November 24 2013 15:39 Pandain wrote:
Thrawn you should mason me by the way if you want.

That or mig.


yeah actually I think I may do this
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 06:42 GMT
#6068
You should mason mig
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 06:49 GMT
#6069
On November 24 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote: You can ask me whatever you would like and I will give you a serious answer.


Lets do this. I want 100% srs answers from you from here on out.

Let's start with your current read on me because I have no idea what it is. You've made these posts since D4 started...

On November 24 2013 09:47 Grackaroni wrote:
There is actually an enormous difference between Thrawn's filter in this game and in Witchcraft II which I followed loosely. It doesn't help his case that BC was trying to use my filter in White Flag to incriminate me and never pointed this out.


On November 24 2013 10:49 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
Am I a horrible person for not caring about a game of forum mafia for 48 hours?

This part in particular reads really fake to me considering he made like 60 posts in the other game.


... but you have yet to actually say anything along the lines of "lets lynch thrawn" or "I think thrawn is scum and here is my case." So what is your objective with these posts, because it looks like you're just trying to push along my lynch without actually having to be outspoken about it?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 06:51 GMT
#6070
Thrawn not to be rude, but again you didn't answer my question of do you think its likely that the two scum both had grack and PUSHED grack.

And if not, even if its possible, if you instead could find someone else as scum.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 06:51 GMT
#6071
Why do you think Risen is town btw? I find his martyring quite un-townlike, and especially unlike a town risen
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 24 2013 06:55 GMT
#6072
On November 24 2013 15:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote: You can ask me whatever you would like and I will give you a serious answer.


Lets do this. I want 100% srs answers from you from here on out.

Let's start with your current read on me because I have no idea what it is. You've made these posts since D4 started...

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 09:47 Grackaroni wrote:
There is actually an enormous difference between Thrawn's filter in this game and in Witchcraft II which I followed loosely. It doesn't help his case that BC was trying to use my filter in White Flag to incriminate me and never pointed this out.


Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 10:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 24 2013 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
Am I a horrible person for not caring about a game of forum mafia for 48 hours?

This part in particular reads really fake to me considering he made like 60 posts in the other game.


... but you have yet to actually say anything along the lines of "lets lynch thrawn" or "I think thrawn is scum and here is my case." So what is your objective with these posts, because it looks like you're just trying to push along my lynch without actually having to be outspoken about it?

I am considering lynching you along with a whole lot of people. There is actually somebody else that I am watching very closely that I don't want to mention yet. I don't like the fact that you were so sure Blazinghand wasn't mafia and that you had me as a scum read for "attacking Blazinghand because he attacked me" I even gave some credit to BH's case because I understood trolling is something that BH would try to do as mafia to avoid suspicion. I attacked BH when he scum claimed to me by making fun of his fake claim breadcrumb. I distrust people who avoid one game while being active in another and your reasons for lynching me are the same as Bloodyc0bblers, yet you still seem to think that is somehow valid.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 06:56 GMT
#6073
On November 24 2013 15:51 Pandain wrote:
Why do you think Risen is town btw? I find his martyring quite un-townlike, and especially unlike a town risen


I don't think I've ever played with risen. I do remember hosting GoT where he was town and had an bad game and spent a lot of time going "woe is me" in the thread. On top of that I've seen so many goddamn town-martying on TL lately that I basically consider it a town tell now. Here's what I thought about his play during the D3 lynch:

On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch.


Can you provide links to show what you mean by "I find his martyring quite un-townlike, and especially unlike a town risen?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 06:58 GMT
#6074
On November 24 2013 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually risen is potentially a horrible lynch for today.

just found this gem

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 13:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 15 2013 13:53 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 15 2013 13:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austin I want to see sharrant post more before I make a judgement on him. I do this as someone who doesn't really remember his play from much (i dont read games I don't play in normally and hes never left a lasting impression with me)

Risen however has made a post that I fucking loath.
On November 15 2013 11:41 Risen wrote:
Can't be bothered to read all this. Love it when I'm scum, reason I hate being town.


Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town should be fucking banned from playing. I seriously cannot get behind people who do this shit.

And it's not even all that long yet the first 15 pages is pregame chatter.


yep. Now you understand part of my annoyance.

Also I haven't read any of your previous games but keep posting like you are and I see no issue with it. Its clear and easy to read. Only thing time / practice will teach you is how to better articulate what you want / convince people of things.



oh my oh my.

and this bc/slam interaction looks scum on scum btw, not that anyone will actually give a shit. i just want to join the obs already zZ


grack comment on this and convince me that risen is still a good lynch and slam is not.
I come in for the scraps
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 07:00 GMT
#6075
That one quote doesn't mean much, Vayne. BC has shown in his long post that basically said he hated everyone that he can fake emotion pretty well.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 24 2013 07:01 GMT
#6076
then I don't think you are town honestly if you believe that quote "means nothing" One of you and austin is scum and you guys arent making it easy.
I come in for the scraps
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 07:08 GMT
#6077
Here's why I think Risen is scum:

1. Martying. Vayne, you hate martyrs. Now factor in the fact that it's Risen who is known to be really stubborn and play against odds(alone in WHC), and his solution is to ask for a town vig despite the fact that two have already been revealed?
On November 23 2013 05:08 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: And once again your appeals to "that would be crazy!" are horrible if you're town, horrible if you're scum. Get on my level kids. World Heavyweight Champion OUT!

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


2. He thinks I'm mafia. I was pretty easy lynch-bait because I was quiet, but there weren't any real good reasons for voting me; at least not that he brought up. His arguments were trash and based around SS logs, which didn't make any sense.
This post so bad
On November 19 2013 16:56 Risen wrote:
Gut read. Haven't really read the thread. Scum did a good job clogging it up. I'll read up tomorrow and back up my gut read. Sum of the gut is pandain's interaction with people.


3.
On November 21 2013 10:22 Risen wrote:
Pandain #1 scum read
Grack policy lynch

I can be convinced to vote for someone not pandain (though I'll have to see something more) but will not be unvoting Grack..


but then later
On November 21 2013 10:28 Risen wrote:
Super is probably scum so...


So scum lynch is inferior to policy lynch?

thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 07:10 GMT
#6078
On November 24 2013 15:51 Pandain wrote:
Thrawn not to be rude, but again you didn't answer my question of do you think its likely that the two scum both had grack and PUSHED grack.


...yeah that's a good point lol

On November 24 2013 15:51 Pandain wrote:
And if not, even if its possible, if you instead could find someone else as scum.



I'm working on this, give me some time. Previously I had suspected both you and Onegu but I changed my mind about ongeu and you've been willing to converse with me in a way that makes me think you're actually trying to figure out my alignment. I'm still in the middle of reading the entire thread and I'll be dropping cases on who I want to lynch after I'm done.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 24 2013 07:10 GMT
#6079
On November 24 2013 16:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
then I don't think you are town honestly if you believe that quote "means nothing" One of you and austin is scum and you guys arent making it easy.


That quote does mean very little and I'm sorry to say that. If you base your instincts on Risen being town based on how BC critizied him early in day one for something BC is known to hate, then I think there are key things lacking.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 07:12 GMT
#6080
On November 24 2013 15:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 15:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 24 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote: You can ask me whatever you would like and I will give you a serious answer.


Lets do this. I want 100% srs answers from you from here on out.

Let's start with your current read on me because I have no idea what it is. You've made these posts since D4 started...

On November 24 2013 09:47 Grackaroni wrote:
There is actually an enormous difference between Thrawn's filter in this game and in Witchcraft II which I followed loosely. It doesn't help his case that BC was trying to use my filter in White Flag to incriminate me and never pointed this out.


On November 24 2013 10:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 24 2013 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
Am I a horrible person for not caring about a game of forum mafia for 48 hours?

This part in particular reads really fake to me considering he made like 60 posts in the other game.


... but you have yet to actually say anything along the lines of "lets lynch thrawn" or "I think thrawn is scum and here is my case." So what is your objective with these posts, because it looks like you're just trying to push along my lynch without actually having to be outspoken about it?

I am considering lynching you along with a whole lot of people. There is actually somebody else that I am watching very closely that I don't want to mention yet. I don't like the fact that you were so sure Blazinghand wasn't mafia and that you had me as a scum read for "attacking Blazinghand because he attacked me" I even gave some credit to BH's case because I understood trolling is something that BH would try to do as mafia to avoid suspicion. I attacked BH when he scum claimed to me by making fun of his fake claim breadcrumb. I distrust people who avoid one game while being active in another and your reasons for lynching me are the same as Bloodyc0bblers, yet you still seem to think that is somehow valid.


But what is your actual read? Not "I am considering lynching you along with a whole lot of people" because that doesn't say anything about how scummy you think I am compared to anyone else. Am I your top read? Close to that? Give me a definitive answer.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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