EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 252
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Mig
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Mig
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austinmcc
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On November 22 2013 09:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I can absolutely understand how frustrating it is. Heck, it's one reason I claimed a little before I maybe should have, because I wanted my posts to try and remove some suspicion and be taken a little more seriously/townily. And just last game I was flailing around with a number of confirmed townies on my nuts. So yeah, I understand.Austin, to give you an idea. Anyone who's read my last big town game would realize that not only did I make it to lylo with palmar and geript. I proceeded to then fuck it all up and lose town the game as town. My town game is currently god awful. My best analysis these days comes from when A) im not even playing or B) when im third party Every now and again Ill have surges of brilliance where I will pin people fast and hard. But the fact of the matter is with the new crew of players that play now I can't analyze them for shit. The current skills I have for analysis don't apparently apply to this forum anymore. When I played at my prime a trolly chez was usually someone you could quickly differentiate as being useful or not and then kill him with whatever means and he'd flip whatever he was playing. Was he trolling? Yes but it clearly pushed one sides agendas over another. In this game I am being told active trolling, regardless of actions, are a town tell. Before anyone disagree's with me. The only reason none of you want to off grack is because he almost got mocsta killed day 1. You asked in one of your newer posts, put everything on the bloody table. Does grack still seem town? Hell, I even put all of mig's actions on the table and got flamed for it. Austin you honestly seem pretty legit right now and aside from the fact you are trying to persuade people not voting for me to vote for me you have your head on straight. I've spent part of the last day just trying to cool down and slowly work through filters. My scum reads haven't really changed. As terrible as that sounds my reads really haven't changed horrifically. I still have grack, hopeless, and holy as scum reads. I can easily see thrawn being scum. Aside from a really strong early game start he really hasn't done too much. I have already said why Mig could easily be scum. His play as town doesn't line up as the logical person he says he is. Supersoft and pandain are clearly town to me, coag, rayn and you austin are likely town as well. Koshi could go either way. Aside from that most people have been utterly useless. Ive attempted to contribute and been essentially told to fuck off each time. Do you know how frustrating it is to post something that I know is fucking logical and be told im wrong for no reasons? Yes i know my meta grack/mocsta stuff was bad but I was seriously tunnel visioned. We then have a ton of people who randomly pipe in and dont do anything but vote and peace out. This entire game is one of the most pro mafia environments i've ever seen and its no wonder that we as a town are going to lose this game unless we stop being retards. But the problem is that ... I think you view your town game currently with a more critical eye than Joe Mafia. I have not hyperscrutinized your recent town games. I tend to think of you as playing well from both alignments, and, in my head, the average mafia player would assume you're a threat. i THINK that would be the general consensus, because nobody else has the full breadth of info that you have on yourself. I have to work from that viewpoint. Heck, even if you were super mega useless, when presented with two scenarios, (1) BC is town, mafia has a roleblocker, mafia chose to use the roleblock on a townie guy who was shooting at BC or (2) BC is mafia, mafia has a roleblocker, mafia chose to use the roleblock on a townie guy who was shooting at BC, (2) seems more likely. (1) is POSSIBLE, and I guess if you're REALLY hating on your towngame, (1) could happen. But in any case, scum is sacrificing the ability to roleblock someone and hope they hit gold for the opportunity to NOT have a townie die tonight. I think that is less likely than the scenario in which you're mafia. I know other options exist, but right now that makes more sense to me. In terms of grack, yes, I still think he's town. There are SO MANY questionable folks that it's not like he's sitting out there alone looking weird. Yes, the biggest thing in his favor is mocsta/grack interactions, but that's a real thing, and I don't believe that scumMocsta comes out that hard on scumbuddy grack when there are still like...96 hours until a lynch. That's the key for me, just hard fighting seems less likely when it's so far from a lynch. As far as mig, he has looked town to me for most of the game. I know you dislike some of his actions, and his sharrant shot is wonky, but I interpret the whole "wish I'd shot BC" bit differently than you do, and I'm not torn up about a mattchew shot. Yes, a lot of points in this game are spammy/trolly/do-nothing, but it's up to us to fix that (us = everyone here). Oh well. Makes the game harder, makes solving it/winning more fun. Can I ask you to look at, or give thoughts on, thrawn and LM? They're in discussion today, they keep popping up for people without tons of reasoning, and I'd like to hear from you on them. | ||
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supersoft
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On November 22 2013 09:19 Mig wrote: Super do you get the feeling that BC is actually trying to figure anything out? I see him tunnel me I see him tunnel Grack. I don't see any actual search for information or changing reads whatsoever. No but I always have this feeling about him, in every game i play with him. I always think that he analyzes strange things and i see the game from a different perspective. I am always suspicious of him and in the end he somehow gets scum killed and it's completely unexpected for me I am not completely confident in my reads right now. We have 1 redflip and that's it. My technic to find scum doesnt necessarily catch them all. Some slip through my net. I have the impression, that BC might be the one who catches these guys. I really need to reread some of out former games. This is too much blabla from me. But I am not sure about him. You and BC could both be town. I don't know yet. I find it hard to believe, that BC fakes all this. BC you need to explain me that mig-read you have once again. Are we still masoned? | ||
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Mig
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On November 22 2013 09:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: which game? Game of thrones, meant for Risen. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047 | ||
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supersoft
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my filter | ||
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Coagulation
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Mig
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Coagulation
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feels shady to me. | ||
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supersoft
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I could imagine me doing it. I am really afraid that BC is playing me like a fiddle right now :D | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 22 2013 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Anyone that thinks what BC is doing is town is pathetic at this game. His "reads" aren't reads, it's 2 "cases" and 2 random names. The only ones he thinks he has reasoning for are mig and grack, where do mine and hopeless' names fit in? They don't, it's 2 random names from his aggressive post that called us lurkers and not contributing. That has clearly changed for me since then and slightly for hopeless but he still maintains the same reads with no reasoning whatsoever. His attitude is completely defeatist and he is most definitely not town. What have you done lately? You sheep other peoples reads quite well, you also would have known of artanis' true shot given you were masoned with him and were willing to fake claim for him. I know I'm town, I know that two people who claimed they were going to shoot me didn't. One claimed after deadline he wasn't firing at me, and given at the time you knew who he was likely going to shoot you as scum could easily manipulate the situation with a block / shot. Aside from that what have you done? You spent part of day 1 defending my top scum read (red flag) youve argued repeatedly with Rayn, adding to the clutter of the thread. These arguments are usually pointless. (red flag) You needed to be prodded into contributing repeatedly(red flag) You jump consistently on people already viewed as scum(red flag) you opted to ignore your top scum read and vote elsewhere and had to be convinced to change your vote d2 (red flag) you claim to be contributing but you have spent most of the game tunneling me.(red flag) You essentially let a lie out of a player slide(red flag) Honestly your filter looks as garbage as my own and yet here we stand with me as a lynch target and people thinking your town. | ||
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Coagulation
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supersoft
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On November 22 2013 09:34 supersoft wrote: on the other hand, man BC could be good enough to do this :D I could imagine me doing it. I am really afraid that BC is playing me like a fiddle right now :D I wanna be sure. I wanna see other flips before i get back to BC seriously. I highly doubt that anyone of you has a clean scumread on BC and if he has, he's either dumb and he really hasnt or he misses some things. He's on the edge. and btw. if this is his scumplay, it was sadly more helpful for the town, than most peoples townplay in here. Honestly. | ||
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Holyflare
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On November 22 2013 09:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What have you done lately? You sheep other peoples reads quite well, you also would have known of artanis' true shot given you were masoned with him and were willing to fake claim for him. I know I'm town, I know that two people who claimed they were going to shoot me didn't. One claimed after deadline he wasn't firing at me, and given at the time you knew who he was likely going to shoot you as scum could easily manipulate the situation with a block / shot. Aside from that what have you done? You spent part of day 1 defending my top scum read (red flag) youve argued repeatedly with Rayn, adding to the clutter of the thread. These arguments are usually pointless. (red flag) You needed to be prodded into contributing repeatedly(red flag) You jump consistently on people already viewed as scum(red flag) you opted to ignore your top scum read and vote elsewhere and had to be convinced to change your vote d2 (red flag) you claim to be contributing but you have spent most of the game tunneling me.(red flag) You essentially let a lie out of a player slide(red flag) Honestly your filter looks as garbage as my own and yet here we stand with me as a lynch target and people thinking your town. Please, if you think half the town are wrong in their reads enlighten them to the places where these things make sense because as I see it 5 of those points are wrong. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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I dunno why/how you think my play is different from the other games I've played with you SS, but whatever. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Why these two?Lets lynch Coag and Risen today. I dunno why/how you think my play is different from the other games I've played with you SS, but whatever. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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And Coag who caught 2-3 mafia on day 1 in PYP has done jack shit NOTHING this entire game. | ||
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