EPTI still stand behind my words that your cases on Hopeless and Oats are crap. I know the Hopeless stuff for a fact and everyone who played with us in WC2 can back up that statement so if you wanna call him scum i suggest you change your reasoning. I would like you to explain your read on Oats and how does that make him scum. Why are you not looking into Oats' meta as you seem to be loving to do meta-cases?
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I still stand behind my words that your cases on Hopeless and Oats are crap. I know the Hopeless stuff for a fact and everyone who played with us in WC2 can back up that statement so if you wanna call him scum i suggest you change your reasoning. I would like you to explain your read on Oats and how does that make him scum. Why are you not looking into Oats' meta as you seem to be loving to do meta-cases? | ||
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Pandain: I don't like this post at all: (#1289) Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. (#1438) Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. (#1713) Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? (#1718) Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? (#3326) This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Well oats was because I didn't even look into him until I got back. I saw someone mention his name and was like "I don't think oats as done as much" so I looked into him and found it really bad. All null reads, no pushing, asking people for reads. The only other game I had to go by was WHC in which he was completely different and so I based it off of that. I'll be happy to reconsider based off of other games where he is equally as useless though. Useless isn't something I like as a meta though...... I prefered SS because his antagonistic style was townish based on what I've read of other games, the fact he couldn't decide on a read was fine for me as it meant we could all discuss it as a town. It was much better than what happened with the VE incident after all. I also admit I've not read into VE since then which is probably an oversight for me. Look Holyflare. I can accept that there might be a possibility that i am wrong on you and you are in fact town. But you have not done very good job so far if that's the case. Could you give your opinions on what i said on Pandain, your opinion on Austin (because while you included the mason chat you didn't say anything about what do you think of him), and your opinion on supersoft now? I liked one of your points on BC, the fact that he starts Grack filter from other game from page 3. That's what i would expect more from you if you are town because that was really good imo and so far i think that is DEFINITELY your best contribution towards finding scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:47 Holyflare wrote: Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain. Yeah i am just starting to filter dive Austin. That's my next step. I will filter him and see if it makes sense in comparsion to what he talks with you in mason chat. I already know his filter is full of shit but i wanna do the cross-investigation. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I might actually want to lynch mattchew the most right now. All I need for that is his longest post. Standard scum tactic: Put one scum and one town in the same sentence to make them look townier. Standard scum tactic: Distance yourself from the faulty read of your scumbuddy Standard scum tactic: Give an excuse for why your scumbuddy is wrong that doesn't involve calling him scum Furthermore, Mattchew was masoned with Storr in Hogwarts and should therefore be familiar with his play. He's been utterly useless this game and I'd like to see him hang if we can't come to a consensus on BC. I would totally support a vig shot on Mattchew. He is definitely the best vigi target (i hope Stutters gets replaced or modkilled). | ||
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Questions rayn, Risen, Sharrant Doesn't like Risen's answer regarding rayn townread on hiro, VE calls out onegu Does not seem to think me/HF thing is alignment indicative for either of us, at least in scummy way http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=62#1235 Again implies so in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=63#1259 Seems to be thinking Onegu is scum wishywashy read on BC Doesn't even remember 100% it was me who HF was fighting with The only read i see even close to a scumread here is Onegu. yamato was the only mayor candidate who was willing to kill Onegu, yet austin does not even consider voting for him and never asks yamato about Onegu. Cheesecake is scumy, for what? based on when he was here? rofl rayn is scummy for "what other people have said". but he didn't even remember my posts earlier? doesn't seem legit. does not know what to make of Pandain, says meta from Tugh life is different. I think that's wrong. He likes Koshi's points on rayn and rayn might be scum but he does not find rayn scummy in this game. (what's this??) Everything else in his filter is fluff or random questions that seem to be leading him nowhere. Austin - Holyflare mason chat: thinks yamato is town (why does he not consider voting him for mayor then?) rayn looks scummy because picked "easy targets". bullshit austin. scumreads on Cheesecake and rayn supersoft looks mega-townie (why?) VE does scummy thing which is not scummy because VE looks townie (what?) On N1 tells HF to filter Spag (flipped town), artanis (why, he is towniest guy in thread) and Pandain (reasonable). Why not his scumreads like rayn and Cheesecake? At the end of N1 apparetly rayn is no more suspicious because his targets now are BC, Cheesecake and LM. So both austin and Holyflare have rayn as scumread but austin does not want to talk about rayn and tells Holyflare to avoid rayn. Yes austin, you are making a fuckton of sense you scummy motherfucker ^_^ TLDR: Austin is scummy as fuck and the only concern here is why Holyflare does not see this? | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, if austin is scum HF is 100% town because they could never fake that whole log. Agreed? That log looks like scum - scum to me to be honest. lol it's so ridiculous. | ||
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"This would make VE scum but he is townie so it does not" , and "rayn is probably scum but i advice you to avoid him on D2". WTFFF??? | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I only posted the mason log because I had concerns lol. Even if I didn't write them down (I told him I thought he was suspicious) I haven't actually checked his posts today though because I thought there were scummier aspects coming from the mocsta affair. Now that I look at it, his mocsta dismissal was very odd, I had to ask him twice to get an actual read out of him. He also has not been here to push any "information" that he gathered from his question asking. Your pandain case is pretty damning and I'm glad to see hopeless has put some effort into it as well. Will elaborate after dinner. Could you show where this is because it definitely does not feel like from the mason log. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, HF, this argument isn't helping right now. It's not going to be resolved within 5 hours. The only two players who aren't BH who could possibly get lynched right now are Pandain and The Cobbler. Can we talk about them instead? We are lynching BH and noone else so we can talk about anything we want. | ||
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This is how it goes: "what do you think about this?" "bla bla bla" "okay" "what do you think about this?" "bla bla bla" "okay" ...repeat.. They are not trying to find out anything about each other. It's just a Q&A and no answers are questioned, never. Now this is perfectly fine if they are really strong townreads for each other but apparently this is not true because Holyflare says the opposite (which btw does not show anywhere). That log is most likely bullshit. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:56 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn how sure are you that Koshi is town? Very sure. Like 99% sure. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... This is really weird post because if i was supersoft i would have posted this instead: "VE lynch Mocsta i think he is scum and the best lynch! [add some reasons from his filter here quickly because ss said he read it]" | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:10 Grackaroni wrote: Lol Rayn. SS cannot possibly be scum unless he is with VE and you said VE is def town. Why is this? | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote: Because he promised to kill a 2 shot scum Vigi at the last second at the end of the deadline with no indication of VE being around. Why would VE not come around? Of course VE will come around regardless of his alignment in case he wins mayor election he sure wants to use his lynch. | ||
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Besides that supersoft can always make up some bullshit reason to not lynch Mocsta nad lynch someone else instead. That's like his only mention of Mocsta in his filter.. | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:34 Grackaroni wrote: If he did that I would end him. Why would he even risk that though if he's on a team with Mocsta. He has no scum read on Mocsta and then starts listening to my opinion in the last second? He could have ignored me and not risked claiming scum by not following through with his word. Could you point out where supersoft "starts listening to your points against Mocsta"? Because only thing i see is you saying "Artanis' case on Mocsta i think is the best there is ", then ss says "i will lynch one of these ~5 people, i will filter Mocsta and hiro". That does not look like agreeing with someone's points, he did apparently not read Artanis' case, he filtered Mocsta in about 5 minutes and there was still the option of hiro/thrawn. And his "i guess i would lynch Mocsta" does not sound very confident, especially considering how he interacts towards VE after deadline before lynch, and in general. If Mocsta was definitely his top scumread and he was dead set on lynching him he would be telling VE to lynch Mocsta or hoping VE does not come back so he can lynch Mocsta. Instead he seems scared about VE not showing up, like here: Does this to you look like he absolutely want's to lynch Mocsta? | ||
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