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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 20 2013 16:58 GMT
#4221
Didn't you say before that you feel like Koshi is more sloppy when he's town than when he's scum? Wouldn't that point towards him being town?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 20 2013 16:58 GMT
#4222
I am not lousy, I am awesome!

Will lynch LM/BC/Matt tomorrow. Rayn hope you get shot tonight you beautiful bastard.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 17:00 GMT
#4223
On November 21 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Didn't you say before that you feel like Koshi is more sloppy when he's town than when he's scum? Wouldn't that point towards him being town?

Umm.. not that i remember?
Could you point out what makes you think so so i can explain what i mean in case you think i have implied so.
table for two on a tv tray
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 20 2013 17:02 GMT
#4224
On November 21 2013 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Didn't you say before that you feel like Koshi is more sloppy when he's town than when he's scum? Wouldn't that point towards him being town?

Umm.. not that i remember?
Could you point out what makes you think so so i can explain what i mean in case you think i have implied so.

On my phone so filter diving is hard, but I mean the thing where you asked I think Koshi about the hypothetical parity cop check.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 17:03 GMT
#4225
+ Show Spoiler +
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 20 2013 17:04 GMT
#4226
I am not sloppy at all. And these people did not yet flip yet so how do you know you are right?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 20 2013 17:04 GMT
#4227
Well, I am maybe a bit circling on the outside atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 17:08 GMT
#4228
On November 21 2013 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Didn't you say before that you feel like Koshi is more sloppy when he's town than when he's scum? Wouldn't that point towards him being town?

Umm.. not that i remember?
Could you point out what makes you think so so i can explain what i mean in case you think i have implied so.

On my phone so filter diving is hard, but I mean the thing where you asked I think Koshi about the hypothetical parity cop check.

No that's different. That was about the setup. Koshi is usually really sharp in what people say and really sharp in cross-investigating things (if you want a reference see his case on Seuss in ##'s mafia).

I could see him being sloppy as town regarding setup and possible roles, although that's not impossible for him to give an answer he did as scum (i just thought that was a town tell from him).

Yeah basically what i am trying to say is that his LM sloppyness (as in actually game-happening related) outweighs his setup laziness (which i saw as a townie thing). I hope you understand what i mean, it's kinda hard for me to put it in words. ^_^
table for two on a tv tray
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 20 2013 17:22 GMT
#4229
On November 21 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mig thoughts on austin, supersoft and LM?


I don't like anything about super really, other than the mocsta thing. Also, I know people dont like to theorize on player balance setups but VE and BH being assassins to me really points towards Marv balancing the players and not completely randomizing it. If that is the case then Marv most likely would put somebody on mafia who is a veteran and who he thinks could reasonably win an election for mayor.

VE/BH 3rd party

Yam town, Rayn (most likely town), I am town (although marv may not know me), grack I think is town. So there isn't a lot of people left who I think would have a real shot at winning an election. What SS/BC/koshi/austin/oats maybe? With SS/BC being the 2 most likely to be able to win an election. I lean town on koshi atm, oats I don't really know but I would be willing to listen to grack on this for now since he picked him out really easily in whiteflag. This leaves SS/BC/austin as the most likely targets.

Austin I have leaned town on most of the game. He asked marv for how many of each alignment there were, which will be asked more often by a townie. Unfortunately he immediately used the fact that he asked it in his mayor campaign for townie credit. Otherwise tho I find most of his posts reasonable and his reaction to people demanding his scrum reads seemed townieish. So town lean right now.

LM - I immediately thought he was townie for masoning yam, seemed like a horrible mason choice for mafia to make midway through day1, especially if he asked his team who to mason no way they would recommend him to mason yam. Since then it basically looks like he is barely playing the game at all. I don't think his lie makes him scum. In what way does that lie help scum? He probably just forgot. I feel like him being suspicious of me still is slightly townie. From a mafia perspective I think they would look at my spreadsheet as making me really townie and they wouldn't keep questioning it. Anyway considering his posts are almost nothing it isn't a really strong read.

I really think BC is mafia, definitely my strongest read. He fits as a mafia mayor candidate, he fits as the leader of the scum team if marv balanced the players. His initial case against Grack was fluffed up and way too wordy, his later case against Grack was complete bs and made 0 sense. He has done pretty much 0 actual scum hunting outside of Grack and he has blindly believed SS is super town even while SS does nothing to prove so. Also, I really didn't buy his long rage post. Why was he so mad? He wanted us to lynch BH and BH had like 15 votes on him and was 100% dead. The entire thing was just a long list post where he yelled at people, seemed completely disingenuous




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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 20 2013 17:30 GMT
#4230
trackers on me please, if there are any left.
i will 100% be visited by scum tonight.
oats, mattchew, BC are scum. :-/
protection on mig... :-(
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 17:35 GMT
#4231
Good way to burn town actions to place trackers on people who other people visit.
Way to go ss!
table for two on a tv tray
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 20 2013 17:38 GMT
#4232
i.e. thats not how trackers work ss.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 20 2013 17:42 GMT
#4233
lol SS doesnt know what roles due.
Cute.
No gg, No skill.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 20 2013 17:45 GMT
#4234
Rayn has your read on holyflare changed?
Try TL Mafia!!!
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 20 2013 17:46 GMT
#4235
SS can you post your convo with pandain?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 20 2013 17:55 GMT
#4236
hey mig I was wonderin' why you randomly locked your notes, any particular reason
I come in for the scraps
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 20 2013 17:58 GMT
#4237
On November 21 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
hey mig I was wonderin' why you randomly locked your notes, any particular reason

Oh oops I accidentally requested access to the notes because I thought it meant I wasn't logged in properly.
MY BAD
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 20 2013 17:58 GMT
#4238
i can post convos with bc, VE and pandain.
i am the main part of that mason circle
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 20 2013 17:58 GMT
#4239
if oats is scum, bc is likely scum
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 20 2013 17:58 GMT
#4240
On November 21 2013 00:42 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 20:53 Koshi wrote:
I am going over the playerlist hoping to put them in order but there are still way too many unknowns. I am running with supersoft as town because the Mocsta thing and because he didn't became Mayor and just general play tbh. rayn obvious town. I got Holyflare and Austin both as town. I don't see anything bad from them. Mig town. Kush town. Maybe a bit thread sentiment but I like them as town. LoneMeow also town, I will copy/paste our log later on. Putting Grack on town as well. Oatsmaster I don't know, looks like town Oatsmaster to me. I'll put VA here as well.

Artanis lowest townread because I don't really know why he is town except for the Mocsta thing. And why didn't Mocsta get angry at Artanis? Should reread.
Alakaslam his irrationallity around the BH lynch gives me instant flashbacks to Aperture...
BC could be scum. I dislike how he knew that both VE & SS were good and town candidates but is a lot less certain about anything else except Grack. I wouldn't kill him tomorrow though. I like reading his posts.
Pandain I got as town tbh but I put him with the doubties, there really isn't that much difference with Golden Sun for example. Maybe a bit more spammy. But I can sheep rayn on Pandain.
Thrawn I put as scummy in thread, willing to do a lot of shit in QT. But still mehhhh. For endgame creds I put him as scum.
Onegu is playing really well atm. If Holyflare flips scum I wonder if the guy is not playing too good... If Holyflare is town I am going to put Onegu there as well probably. Confident Onegu so crazy.

Hopeless1der I don't care about. Mr. Cheesecake I don't care about. Coagulation I don't care about.

Risen can die.



how the hell do you shit on being right, wtf!!!

Everyone insisted he was SCUM, which I knew he couldn't be and that is that!

Whatever read mine and SuperSoft filter we have agreed a lot this game, his reaction to BH lynch was mine also. In fact to almost everything.

If my ability to tell where BH was genuine seems unnatural, I read his blogs to increase te ability to look genuine for Aperture's :ws : meta. Which both got wrecked and worked amazingly well. Time to ditch that unreasonable level of commitment but I do actually genuinely agree with/ relate to/ understand a lot of what he writes.

His getting a new job, etc fits in with what he has been blogging about.


He thinks we fit under the knows too much category. Really though he's ignoring the fact that bh was a dead man once VE shot him, though. Which is weird, but whatever.

Game is hard.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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