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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 14:51 GMT
#4181
Oats are you around?
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OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 20 2013 14:54 GMT
#4182
basically all that, his lack of leadership, can be explained by not putting enough time into the game or not reading the game, circumstances facilitated by your d2 spamfest.

This sounds like the hardest defense ever but actually it's more like I can see him flipping town very easily and here's why.
I could also see you being right and him flipping scum.

I haven't even read his filter yet lol. Which i can't do now because I have to go.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 20 2013 14:57 GMT
#4183
BloodyC0bbler
Mattchew
Coagulation
austinmcc
LoneMeow
Alakaslam

i wonder how many scum are in this game
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 14:57 GMT
#4184
On November 20 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote:
basically all that, his lack of leadership, can be explained by not putting enough time into the game or not reading the game, circumstances facilitated by your d2 spamfest.

This sounds like the hardest defense ever but actually it's more like I can see him flipping town very easily and here's why.
I could also see you being right and him flipping scum.

I haven't even read his filter yet lol. Which i can't do now because I have to go.

I find it very hard to talk to you.
He promised to be a town leader! The dude said :
On November 15 2013 08:59 supersoft wrote:
okay okay okay, i think we need to elect me for mayor. Otherwise it's yet another game where i pass away n1.

On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote:
Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown.
I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else.

..as his first posts in the game!

Then he goes "YOLO no actually i don't wanna play the game".
really kush? REALLY? That's your suggestion?
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OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 20 2013 15:01 GMT
#4185
On November 20 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He promised to be a town leader! The dude said :
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 08:59 supersoft wrote:
okay okay okay, i think we need to elect me for mayor. Otherwise it's yet another game where i pass away n1.

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote:
Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown.
I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else.

..as his first posts in the game!

Then he goes "YOLO no actually i don't wanna play the game".
really kush? REALLY? That's your suggestion?


yup. it's called human nature.
maybe he got bored. maybe the reads aren't coming as easily as he thought they would. lots of possible town explanations.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 15:02 GMT
#4186
Well if that's your attitude in mafia games i'm sorry but you will never find scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 15:12 GMT
#4187
Koshi could you do the Koshi/Lonemeow log posting asap please?
I would prefer if also the people who are going to die tonight are able to read the log and give their opinions about it.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 20 2013 15:16 GMT
#4188
im kinda around. Playing dota.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 15:21 GMT
#4189
On November 21 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
im kinda around. Playing dota.

When you got a chance could you talk to me about Spaghetticus?
I am wondering why was he killed. He seems like an odd kill considering all he did was to accuse VE who was not scum, i don't know is there a reason to assume he was blue (i guess that's why he was killed). Do you know who in this game have played with him before as he hasn't been playing here much?

Also i am pretty sure Lonemeow is scum.
He asks people about me (i was his scumread on D1), but then he tells Onegu he thinks me - Holyflare argument was town-town. That does not make sense considering he had me as a scumread after the Holyflare argument. So yeah, i have a pretty strong scumread on Lonemeow.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 20 2013 15:24 GMT
#4190
On November 20 2013 23:18 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 22:29 Onegu wrote:
On November 20 2013 22:04 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 20 2013 21:58 Onegu wrote:
BTW I think I can read rayn now, Im really confident he is town. Slam seems town also they should stop fighting.


Why is Alakaslam town? He's done pretty much nothing after a reasonably coherent start and the latter part of his filter is largely just clutter.



Exactly have you seen slams scum game? Hes try to hard scum, plus his cohearant start is really townie imo.


The scum Alakaslam I saw wasn't really tryhard and his behaviour near the lynch reminds me of that game very much. The coherent start gives him some "town points" though so he's still null for me. Would love to get some reads out of him...

Too late, all reads I make must now be taken with a grain of salt because Raynepelikoneet created such a shitstorm I was certain he was scum- CONF BIAS- and now I need to drive to AZ and back again so I can't read anything.

When I do get back all will be filters and useless.

Waitaminute

If you think I haven't given reads, I think you haven't read my filter! Am I so lynchbait?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 20 2013 15:28 GMT
#4191
On November 20 2013 23:33 OOHCHILD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 23:02 OOHCHILD wrote:
@rayne
thanks for that summary on what went down d1. Actually it was really helpful even though I don't think it's as conclusive about ss's alignment as you do.

I am null and very conflicted on ss.

Having a lot of weak scumreads is pretty common at the end of d1. So that is not a point against him.
Why did he even give so much attention to the possibility of lynching mocsta when he really didn't have to? He had so many possibly lynches that I don't see why scum SS would have put himself into that position.

I don't know. I really don't. But that's not the point. Because i can't know what was going on in his mind.
My point is his actions do not make sense. His though process does not look townie at all. He lets his scumreads tell him who to lynch or look into (lol), he doesn't reall seem like he even wanted to lynch Mocsta (why, if he was his top target?), he does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta (why, if he thought Mocsta was the best lynch?), he tells VE Skan lynch was decent, then says it was bad (why sudden mind change?), then he drops all his scumreads and makes a half-assed case on Oats (why? did his all scumread suddenly turn up town?).

If you read the list can you see a townie thought process behind it?
Would you filter random people over your scumreads?
Would you listen to your scumreads on who to lynch?
10 minutes to the lynch, you are not sure who you want to lynch and you're filtering people. Would you post in thread while filtering? About other people than who you are filtering?
Would you do that if you were in supersoft's position?

Because i would not and i can't find any townie motivation / explanation to his actions.


If he was town I know exactly what was going on in his head. "Fuck I have to decide on a lynch and I have no idea who is scum!" I probably would have acted in a very similar way.
You have to realize that his scumreads were very weak leans, so that's why there was no contradiction in him considering their input.
He didn't even really want to lynch mocsta: yes that is because he wasn't sure about it. Even though he said he believed mocsta was scum, obviously he was still very uncertain that mocsta was a good lynch. He believed it, but wait.. then again... we've all been there. Mocsta is a hard trigger to pull d1 because if you are wrong town loses an active asset.

And that skan thing? That argument holds no weight. Acting like a hypocritical asshole does not make you scum. The green flip and also the extra time he had to think about it made him realize the lynch was bad. Also he said "I guess" so that indicates that he wasn't so sure about the skanjab lynch.

Fwiw I agree with everything Kush said here
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 20 2013 15:30 GMT
#4192
On November 20 2013 23:34 Koshi wrote:
I would lynch Alakaslam and risen tomorrow.

I won't even fight it, I am useless in an atmosphere like this

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 20 2013 15:31 GMT
#4193
I dont think think spag has played more than 5 games so he certainty wasnt blue sniped off meta. But it was a bluesnipe for sure. There are plenty of other targets that draw attention away from BC and super other than not so active Spag.
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 20 2013 15:31 GMT
#4194
On November 20 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 23:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
Anyone have any reasons why LM is town?

Basically no, not any more.

Yeah, Koshi does, but you are gonna bury it

-_-
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 20 2013 15:34 GMT
#4195
On November 21 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think think spag has played more than 5 games so he certainty wasnt blue sniped off meta. But it was a bluesnipe for sure. There are plenty of other targets that draw attention away from BC and super other than not so active Spag.

Do you know if he has played elsewhere with people?
I am trying to wrap my head around the kill but i just can't understand it. If i was scum in this game i would definitely not have killed him, i would have let him tunnel VE on D2 because VE gets angry and his judgement will be blinded. There must be some VERY good indication he was blue and that means there must be SOMEONE who knows that guy well in the scumteam.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 20 2013 15:40 GMT
#4196
I guess mocsta knows him.
Yeah maybe mocsta caught him. Cause hes the only one that played with spag at least 2-3 games.
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 20 2013 15:42 GMT
#4197
On November 20 2013 20:53 Koshi wrote:
I am going over the playerlist hoping to put them in order but there are still way too many unknowns. I am running with supersoft as town because the Mocsta thing and because he didn't became Mayor and just general play tbh. rayn obvious town. I got Holyflare and Austin both as town. I don't see anything bad from them. Mig town. Kush town. Maybe a bit thread sentiment but I like them as town. LoneMeow also town, I will copy/paste our log later on. Putting Grack on town as well. Oatsmaster I don't know, looks like town Oatsmaster to me. I'll put VA here as well.

Artanis lowest townread because I don't really know why he is town except for the Mocsta thing. And why didn't Mocsta get angry at Artanis? Should reread.
Alakaslam his irrationallity around the BH lynch gives me instant flashbacks to Aperture...
BC could be scum. I dislike how he knew that both VE & SS were good and town candidates but is a lot less certain about anything else except Grack. I wouldn't kill him tomorrow though. I like reading his posts.
Pandain I got as town tbh but I put him with the doubties, there really isn't that much difference with Golden Sun for example. Maybe a bit more spammy. But I can sheep rayn on Pandain.
Thrawn I put as scummy in thread, willing to do a lot of shit in QT. But still mehhhh. For endgame creds I put him as scum.
Onegu is playing really well atm. If Holyflare flips scum I wonder if the guy is not playing too good... If Holyflare is town I am going to put Onegu there as well probably. Confident Onegu so crazy.

Hopeless1der I don't care about. Mr. Cheesecake I don't care about. Coagulation I don't care about.

Risen can die.



how the hell do you shit on being right, wtf!!!

Everyone insisted he was SCUM, which I knew he couldn't be and that is that!

Whatever read mine and SuperSoft filter we have agreed a lot this game, his reaction to BH lynch was mine also. In fact to almost everything.

If my ability to tell where BH was genuine seems unnatural, I read his blogs to increase te ability to look genuine for Aperture's :ws : meta. Which both got wrecked and worked amazingly well. Time to ditch that unreasonable level of commitment but I do actually genuinely agree with/ relate to/ understand a lot of what he writes.

His getting a new job, etc fits in with what he has been blogging about.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2013 15:44 GMT
#4198
Alternatively he was a quietish person (likely to be blue) who attacked ve and looked very towny for it. Lots of other people were 50/50 reads at the end of day 1
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 20 2013 15:44 GMT
#4199
On November 21 2013 00:42 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 20:53 Koshi wrote:
I am going over the playerlist hoping to put them in order but there are still way too many unknowns. I am running with supersoft as town because the Mocsta thing and because he didn't became Mayor and just general play tbh. rayn obvious town. I got Holyflare and Austin both as town. I don't see anything bad from them. Mig town. Kush town. Maybe a bit thread sentiment but I like them as town. LoneMeow also town, I will copy/paste our log later on. Putting Grack on town as well. Oatsmaster I don't know, looks like town Oatsmaster to me. I'll put VA here as well.

Artanis lowest townread because I don't really know why he is town except for the Mocsta thing. And why didn't Mocsta get angry at Artanis? Should reread.
Alakaslam his irrationallity around the BH lynch gives me instant flashbacks to Aperture...
BC could be scum. I dislike how he knew that both VE & SS were good and town candidates but is a lot less certain about anything else except Grack. I wouldn't kill him tomorrow though. I like reading his posts.
Pandain I got as town tbh but I put him with the doubties, there really isn't that much difference with Golden Sun for example. Maybe a bit more spammy. But I can sheep rayn on Pandain.
Thrawn I put as scummy in thread, willing to do a lot of shit in QT. But still mehhhh. For endgame creds I put him as scum.
Onegu is playing really well atm. If Holyflare flips scum I wonder if the guy is not playing too good... If Holyflare is town I am going to put Onegu there as well probably. Confident Onegu so crazy.

Hopeless1der I don't care about. Mr. Cheesecake I don't care about. Coagulation I don't care about.

Risen can die.


how the hell do you shit on being right, wtf!!!

Everyone insisted he was SCUM, which I knew he couldn't be and that is that!

Whatever read mine and SuperSoft filter we have agreed a lot this game, his reaction to BH lynch was mine also. In fact to almost everything.

If my ability to tell where BH was genuine seems unnatural, I read his blogs to increase te ability to look genuine for Aperture's :ws : meta. Which both got wrecked and worked amazingly well. Time to ditch that unreasonable level of commitment but I do actually genuinely agree with/ relate to/ understand a lot of what he writes.

His getting a new job, etc fits in with what he has been blogging about.

BH could have played different from his last 2 scumgames. But he decided to play the exact same way. A bit trying + fakeclaiming.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 20 2013 15:46 GMT
#4200
Not much. But our QT. LM & Koshi

+ Show Spoiler +
LoneMeow and Koshi mason Day 2/Night 2

Koshi: Hi Stray Kitten.

Koshi: So, is this about me proving to you that I am town? Or you proving to me that you are town?
Or both?

Or is this just about scumhunting together?
Or thrice?

LM: This is about all three things, though right now *I* mostly care about figuring out your alignment.

I'd like to hear about your thought process when you changed your mind about raynpelikoneet for starters.

Koshi: Really don't understand why you don't post in the thread. So scummy.

Koshi: Well. to be really honest.

I thought rayn was scum for saying I was scum for starters. Also him not talking to me about my case on supersoft if he also had doubts on supersoft. Just strange. Then I just tunneled a bit on him and made cases so that others would also believe it and he would get lynched. Got to do something on D1 right. I am actually truly lost in bigger games on D1. Mostly in minis as well unless something scummy gets smacked in my face.

But atm he might be town. Unless he is in a scumteam with Grack. Because they are pushing same agenda atm. Also might explain why he forgot Grack earlier in the game when he gave 5 names and then added Grack when somebody asked him about it. So unlikely rayn.


But yeah, I kind a want to lynch BH atm. 120 hours should be enough for town BH to actually find scum. So we lynch BH and the next day lynch his scumreads if he actually is town.

Sounds like a perfect plan.

Koshi: Got to try and make VE use the double lynch as well.

Koshi: If we lynch BH.

LM: If we go for double lynch now and BH flips red, do you think we have 2 solid enough targets for the double lynch tomorrow? Who would you propose at this stage as the 2 next likely scum?

Koshi: It is still a very long time till D3 lynch. And there are always people we want to lynch.

Koshi: If BH is red I need to ask Alakaslam what he said about BH & VA scumteam for examples.

Koshi: Also, you really need to post in the thread. Soon I will reveal this QT between us if you don't post in the thread.
If you post in the thread I can keep it a secret. If you want that.

You were heavy lurk in Hogwarts and I dislike people trying to win people over in a QT.
Yamato being town and covering for you does make you look good. But I don't like it why you don't show that to the thread.

Koshi: I totally crumbed that we were in a QT. for funzies.

Where are you m8?

LM: Having a terrible afternoon at work.

As much as I hate defending myself with meta, I also hate it that you keep cherry picking my lurk in Hogwarts while ignoring that I played more or less exactly the same in LXI as town.

Also, it's not like I especially want to keep my choice of mason target for today secret.

What would it take from BH for you to want to lynch someone else?

Koshi: Probably will lynch BH no matter what. Unless he really shows he figured out the game or is trying.

Koshi: I know you also played extremely lurky in LXI. You need to post otherwise people will always think you are scum. It's how it is.

LM:
Do the other lurkers usually play lurky as either alignment? Those being Stutters, Mr. CheeseCake and Coagulation mainly, I suppose.


Koshi: Stutters is always lurky. But this is a new level ofc...
CC was town in Noir and was semi active (13pages). CC was scum in Aperture and was semi active (14 pages). Him doing absolutely nothing is new to me.
Coag is somebody I don't know. I guess I have played games with him but I forgot.

LM: Do you think this lurkiness in those players may be alignment indicative or not?

LM: Also, would you agree that Alakaslam is probably town? He looks like the usual overly paranoid Slam to me rather than scum pushing agenda.

Koshi: Depends if BH is scum tbh. I don't know why he is suddenly going crazy and attacking rayn

Koshi: Btw, Vayne thinks you are scum and he is looking townie. You might want to mason him tomorrow.

LM: I kind of noticed VA wanting to lunch me. I have kind of accepted my fate, but I might mason him anyway. In the land where meta rules, you're not allowed to try to improve

What's your opinion on Mig? I thought he was town, but his reads have been pretty non-existent and apparently he's supposed to be some kind of experienced player...

LM: Reading through Mocsta's filter I noticed he spent quite a few posts defending Sharrant. I'd like to hear your opinion on those posts.

LM: After re-reading Alakaslam's filter, I'm no longer at all sure he's town. That 180 on raynpelikoneet is just ridiculously quick...

Koshi: Bot Mocsta and Sharrant already flipped m8. I don't know what you want me to say...

You being a suspect for lynching has nothing to do with us not wanting you to improve. That's silly to suggest.
You can also not blame us for using meta on you because you are a low volume poster. If you would break out with a 5-10 page filter this game we wouldn't be able to use meta. But just like in noir and Hogwards you have a 2-3 page filter.

Best way to show thread that you are playing this game on D3 is to make a list with all players and give your honest opinion about them. Because to me it looks like you are pretending you are scumhunting but not really doing anything. You told me you wanted to know my alignement by Masoning me, did you figure it out? You asked 1 question? You asked me questions about the lurkers/afkers, did you figure it out?
There is never a conclusion to your questions and we all love to know where you stand.

LM: Oops, that's what I get for staring at a filter for too long I suppose.

My point with the meta was that two games does not really establish any kind of statistically meaningful dataset to compare against.

I'm pretty sure I'll get lynched for posting an "useless list post" but sure, I'll do that. Sadly it'll be full of "not sure, null" entries because I honestly don't have a good idea of the alignment of most players in this game.

If BH flips red you're definitely town, if he flips something else I suppose I'd still think you likely town.

Koshi: Yeah, if you don't have an idea about more than 10 people than you better just concentrate on your scumreads. Those 4 names you gave are not too shabby. Make cases around the 3 that will be alive tomorrow and I am sure you will stay alive if they are good.
Koshi: Just Mason VA tommorrow and you will be all right. Unless you went cutiepie on the Sharrant mistake I think you are town.

LM: Penny for your thoughts on HolyFlare?

The mason log he posted makes him look better and austinmcc look worse to me, but that's the exact opposite of my previous reads so I need to think about this.

Koshi: When reading that big ass post from Holyflare I only paid attention to Holyflare tbh. I think he is town, but it all depends a bit on BH flip on what I will do tomorrow. If BH flips town I need to look at Grack, thrawn, BC, alakaslam, etc. If BH flips red I just sheep rayn till he is wrong or I find something really good.

I also still find it interesting that Sharrant, StorrZerg & Spag died over vets like BH, SS, VE, Mig, BC etc. Just strange, especially that insane doc Sharrant kill. Quite sexy read. Just like the shot on Mocsta.

LM: Do you think getting rid of both assassins was beneficial for town?

Koshi: No it's bad for town, they wont tank any shots now. But BH was a good lynch, he could have easily flipped scum. VE was a bigger loss but now we understand why he was going after Skanjab D1...

I had a good night of sleep.
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