EPTOn November 20 2013 21:09 OOHCHILD wrote:
also Artanis shot mocsta didn't he...
also Artanis shot mocsta didn't he...
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TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 209
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Artanis[Xp]
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Onegu
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On November 20 2013 22:04 LoneMeow wrote: Why is Alakaslam town? He's done pretty much nothing after a reasonably coherent start and the latter part of his filter is largely just clutter. Exactly have you seen slams scum game? Hes try to hard scum, plus his cohearant start is really townie imo. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Anyways, here i presesent to you supersoft the mafia pardoner: This is supersoft's to lynch -list near end of D1: On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote: Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC. Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen, kushmasta, Pandain, and Mig (he corrected in the next post Mig is not a townread but strong scumread). Next thing he does is he starts asking people to give +/- on those people. Some people answer, mainly Grackaroni. After some time supersoft says Pandain looks a bit better and he does want to give Mig another day, does not comment on any other of his candidates. So if we take out Pandain, the list looks like this: Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen and kushmasta. Then this piece of conversation happens: On November 17 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: My vote is still up in the air. If you can make a decent case for somebody being scum than I will move my vote. Right now I think you will lynch random inactives with a bad chance of flipping scum and then eventually, if no scum are lynched, you will get lynched for winning the mayoral race. At least Yamato's scum play is bad enough that he won't be accused. On November 17 2013 09:36 supersoft wrote: okay lol so you're the deciding vote or what -_- okay tell me your targets and I consider them. On November 17 2013 09:44 Grackaroni wrote: I liked Artanis' points on Mocsta; that is honestly the best case in thread. I honestly haven't been looking too hard into the thread but I think lynching one of Koshi/Rayn could be a good idea. Koshi has been playing scared and Rayn's HF push was bad. I also think he honestly might have slipped with how he handled the BH claim when asking him who he would lynch as mayor. He already said he would lynch Vayne so why ask for clarification all of a sudden if he wasn't reconsidering BH for mayor. (prefer Rayn lynch) If it has to be an inactive, I think it should be hopeless. Looking through Pandain's filter I dislike a lot of what he has said recently. I'm ok with leaving him alive I should be able to get a good grasp of his allignment by day2 On November 17 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: alright i am filterin mocsta right now. Does this sound legit to you? Grackaroni, one of supersoft's lynch targets tells him Mocsta is the best lynch according to Artanis' case. supersoft does not read Artanis' case, he has admitted that later on. He just says "okay i read my top scumreads target's filter, the target is btw someone who wasn't on my lynch list earlier, and i will not even look at the ready case there is, but don't worry, i read the filter, np ezpz there still 13 minutes to the lynch". Notice that here is also when austin suddenly makes a voteswitch onto VE like Vayne pointed out. Then here is what happens next: On November 17 2013 09:52 supersoft wrote: I am unsure... If I cannot find a proper target, I am going with Hopelessder or Coag... I am rereading mocsta right now. I also want to have a look at mattchew. 8 minutes before the lynch, has another target still, wants to look into Mocsta and Mattchew (who was not on the initial list aswell). Does he even read these filters because he has time to find new target compared to Mocsta all the time. I don't believe he is even reading Mocsta's filter because he just keeps on posting new targets instead of reading. On November 17 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote: okay i guess I'd kill mocsta. I believe he's scum. I am rereading him again. Here he says he'd kill Mocsta. But notice the underlined. This is already backpedalling! Then the time is up and VE is the mayor. Pandain says he has a townread on Mocsta. On November 17 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... Another move that seems like backpedalling. Notice that Pandain is also a person that supersoft at least does not think is town because a while ago he was his scumread, yet he says "hey gimme some townie points on Mocsta". This comment screams insecureness and fear. "Do i really need to decide the lynch if VE does not come back.. fuuuccckkkk". Also notice that supersoft is supposed to be rereading Mocsta's filter, yet he has time to post every other minute. Mocsta is his top scumread (apparently), yet he is not telling VE to lynch Mocsta in case he comes back. On November 17 2013 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Lynch: Skanjab1s On November 17 2013 10:05 supersoft wrote: okay i guess that's a solid lynchcandidate... "OKAY I GUESS THAT'S A SOLID LYNCHCANDIDATE"?!?!!?!??! More like "phew.. i got out of this shitty situation". Fuck, Skanjabs is NOT even a scumread for supersoft. supersoft had 8 scumreads, Mocsta "#1", VE lynches outside his pool and it's a "solid lynchcandidate". WTF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH LYNCHING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME? This is fucking bullshit. And what does he tell VE later on: On November 17 2013 20:56 supersoft wrote: skanjab was a bad lynch. because we never talked about him at all. We have almost no information how people thought about him. We didnt even know that he was mason. Mocsta would have been a better lynch, since we had many opinions on him. Man, not even I filtered skanjab before you killed him. But it's okay. Doesn't change the posotove pitcome of the votings. two townies in the office is a decent start. BUT HE WAS AN OKAY LYNCH WHEN VE KILLED HIM??? Of course he was a good lynch because supersoft didn't need to squirm out of Mocsta lynch!!! Now when Mocsta is under no pressure he was obviously a bad lynch and Mocsta was so much better! rofl. Then suddenly, OUT OF NOWHERE, this: On November 18 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: oh fuck, i just realized i might die tonight, regardless of my two lives :D I have an issue with Oatsmaster wait! i come up with some stuff i noticed, whe looking through his filter ^_^ Suddenly there is a big scumread on someone completely different from his lynch list. No filtering for his scumreds from D1, no Mocsta, apparently supersoft dropped all his scumreads from D1, even Mocsta who was totally scum, to find BAD OATSMASTER! resoning for Oatsmaster scumread is this: 1) Oats asks a lot of questions and posts many onliners and has no thoughts - that's what Oats always does, and he has had thoughts. 2) Oats has an assassin read on VE - guess fucking what VE was? So yeah, as a TLDR;
What has supersoft done after this and after N1:
So yeah, the only thing people can even remotely think supersoft is town is because he said "i guess i will lynch Mocsta". If someone is considered town because of one comment like that (which i have pointed out is fucking fishy in the first place) i might aswell give up this game. Everything else supersoft has done this game has been HELLA SCUMMY! Notice also that we are talking about a guy who is supposed to be a town leader. He's fucking vet who is considered really good at this game, yet he is plaing like absolute shit, and not only shit, but SCUMMY! Lynch supersoft the mafia pardoner on D3, let's burn his pardon down and lynch him again on D4. Also lynch austin as a second lynch on D3. Thank you for listening. | ||
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Onegu
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On November 20 2013 22:18 OOHCHILD wrote: same to you onegu I have been fairly open with my reads kush. HF because his thing on lonemeow, then when I called him out on it he said he was null on LM but if you read his posts he wasnt, plus his day one play. Austin because he had a 6 page filter and his only scum read was a lurker. And since then he has made a bunch or really hard to follow cases on one of my town reads thrawn. | ||
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OOHCHILD
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thanks for that summary on what went down d1. Actually it was really helpful even though I don't think it's as conclusive about ss's alignment as you do. I am null and very conflicted on ss. Having a lot of weak scumreads is pretty common at the end of d1. So that is not a point against him. Why did he even give so much attention to the possibility of lynching mocsta when he really didn't have to? He had so many possibly lynches that I don't see why scum SS would have put himself into that position. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 23:02 OOHCHILD wrote: @rayne thanks for that summary on what went down d1. Actually it was really helpful even though I don't think it's as conclusive about ss's alignment as you do. I am null and very conflicted on ss. Having a lot of weak scumreads is pretty common at the end of d1. So that is not a point against him. Why did he even give so much attention to the possibility of lynching mocsta when he really didn't have to? He had so many possibly lynches that I don't see why scum SS would have put himself into that position. I don't know. I really don't. But that's not the point. Because i can't know what was going on in his mind. My point is his actions do not make sense. His though process does not look townie at all. He lets his scumreads tell him who to lynch or look into (lol), he doesn't reall seem like he even wanted to lynch Mocsta (why, if he was his top target?), he does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta (why, if he thought Mocsta was the best lynch?), he tells VE Skan lynch was decent, then says it was bad (why sudden mind change?), then he drops all his scumreads and makes a half-assed case on Oats (why? did his all scumread suddenly turn up town?). If you read the list can you see a townie thought process behind it? Would you filter random people over your scumreads? Would you listen to your scumreads on who to lynch? 10 minutes to the lynch, you are not sure who you want to lynch and you're filtering people. Would you post in thread while filtering? About other people than who you are filtering? Would you do that if you were in supersoft's position? Because i would not and i can't find any townie motivation / explanation to his actions. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Kush, talk is cheap. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On November 20 2013 22:16 OOHCHILD wrote: Lonemeow it would be great to get some scumreads from you along with at least short reasons why. Pandain - Looked terrible, then a bit better, now I'm his top scum read without any explanation or mention of me earlier, puts him back on the list. Mig - The only thing that he has going for him is his spreadsheet, and there's only so far I'm prepared to let that carry him. Filter full of nothing useful. austinmcc - I was already slightly suspicious and the mason chat log gave me the impression he wasn't really trying to solve the game very hard at all. I wouldn't be against lynching Mattchew if we want to lynch a lurker, he's been just completely useless. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On November 20 2013 22:29 Onegu wrote: Exactly have you seen slams scum game? Hes try to hard scum, plus his cohearant start is really townie imo. The scum Alakaslam I saw wasn't really tryhard and his behaviour near the lynch reminds me of that game very much. The coherent start gives him some "town points" though so he's still null for me. Would love to get some reads out of him... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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You will never catch good scumplayer (for example marv) based on what they say. They will always have "scummy" scumplayers as their scumreads. They will call them scum. It's not about what they say, it's about whet they do not say or do. Maybe weaker players straight out contradict themselves in saying "no i don't wanna lynch this guy" when someone is obviously scum. But stronger scum don't do that, maybe they don't have to say it in the first place. The question here is are they acting towards what they say. Does it look like supersoft really wanted to lynch Mocsta in case he got the mayor role? Because to me it does not look like it. He is not saying "yes i will kill Mocsta if you make me mayor - Grackaroni pelase do make me mayor - EVERYONE WHO IS HERE MAKE ME MAYOR SO I WILL KILL MOCSTA!". He doesn't do that, in fact he does the opposite while saying "Mocsta is a good lynch". He finds reasons to NOT lynch him while calling him a good lynch. Also his actions on N1 support this. He never brings up Mocsta again. Hell he doesn't even bring up any of his scumreads. Instead he find Oats, who he has never talked about before. It just doesn't make sense. | ||
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OOHCHILD
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On November 20 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 23:02 OOHCHILD wrote: @rayne thanks for that summary on what went down d1. Actually it was really helpful even though I don't think it's as conclusive about ss's alignment as you do. I am null and very conflicted on ss. Having a lot of weak scumreads is pretty common at the end of d1. So that is not a point against him. Why did he even give so much attention to the possibility of lynching mocsta when he really didn't have to? He had so many possibly lynches that I don't see why scum SS would have put himself into that position. I don't know. I really don't. But that's not the point. Because i can't know what was going on in his mind. My point is his actions do not make sense. His though process does not look townie at all. He lets his scumreads tell him who to lynch or look into (lol), he doesn't reall seem like he even wanted to lynch Mocsta (why, if he was his top target?), he does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta (why, if he thought Mocsta was the best lynch?), he tells VE Skan lynch was decent, then says it was bad (why sudden mind change?), then he drops all his scumreads and makes a half-assed case on Oats (why? did his all scumread suddenly turn up town?). If you read the list can you see a townie thought process behind it? Would you filter random people over your scumreads? Would you listen to your scumreads on who to lynch? 10 minutes to the lynch, you are not sure who you want to lynch and you're filtering people. Would you post in thread while filtering? About other people than who you are filtering? Would you do that if you were in supersoft's position? Because i would not and i can't find any townie motivation / explanation to his actions. If he was town I know exactly what was going on in his head. "Fuck I have to decide on a lynch and I have no idea who is scum!" I probably would have acted in a very similar way. You have to realize that his scumreads were very weak leans, so that's why there was no contradiction in him considering their input. He didn't even really want to lynch mocsta: yes that is because he wasn't sure about it. Even though he said he believed mocsta was scum, obviously he was still very uncertain that mocsta was a good lynch. He believed it, but wait.. then again... we've all been there. Mocsta is a hard trigger to pull d1 because if you are wrong town loses an active asset. And that skan thing? That argument holds no weight. Acting like a hypocritical asshole does not make you scum. The green flip and also the extra time he had to think about it made him realize the lynch was bad. Also he said "I guess" so that indicates that he wasn't so sure about the skanjab lynch. | ||
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Koshi
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 23:35 OOHCHILD wrote: haha rayne basically you put in the work but you have zero skill for hunting scum so dont even go there with trying to teach me lessons You are funny ^_^ | ||
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OOHCHILD
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 23:39 OOHCHILD wrote: Anyone have any reasons why LM is town? Basically no, not any more. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 23:33 OOHCHILD wrote: If he was town I know exactly what was going on in his head. "Fuck I have to decide on a lynch and I have no idea who is scum!" I probably would have acted in a very similar way. You have to realize that his scumreads were very weak leans, so that's why there was no contradiction in him considering their input. He didn't even really want to lynch mocsta: yes that is because he wasn't sure about it. Even though he said he believed mocsta was scum, obviously he was still very uncertain that mocsta was a good lynch. He believed it, but wait.. then again... we've all been there. Mocsta is a hard trigger to pull d1 because if you are wrong town loses an active asset. And that skan thing? That argument holds no weight. Acting like a hypocritical asshole does not make you scum. The green flip and also the extra time he had to think about it made him realize the lynch was bad. Also he said "I guess" so that indicates that he wasn't so sure about the skanjab lynch. Okay kushmasta. Let's assume this is true and regardless of alignment that's what went through supersoft's head (while it's contradictory as it can't be true if he is scum ^^). What do you make of the rest of his play? Did you look at his case on Oats? Is it good? What else has he done? Does he look like a town leader he's supposed to be? He even said it himself on D1. Hell the guy has a vest, scum can't even kill him unless they doublestack him. Does he look like a townleader to you? If we assume your scenario is true then it comes to this:
Sounds like a town leader guy? Hell fucking Hopeless has put more effort in this game in terms of scumhunting than supersoft has. | ||
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