TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 13

On November 20 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Might aswell put this here:

Pandain:

I don't like this post at all: (#1289)
Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum.

(#1438)
Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself.

(#1713)
Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it?

(#1718)
Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless.

Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol.

"You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him.

"I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##.

Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end.

Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most".

Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people.

He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now"
So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons?

(#3326)
This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft.

Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis.

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TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum.

* Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread.

On November 18 2013 08:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Tomorrow we lynch Koshi

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I don't like this first attack at all. Koshi implies that SS is scum for shitting up the thread and insulting other players but this is just standard SS play. I don't think even Koshi understands why he is calling SS scum. He decides that SS is not really trying to get elected, and that he is scum because of that, but there is probably more motivation for scum players to want to appear pro-town early and become mayor.



This contradiction is a big deal to me. The first line should imply that he is in favor of BC's post, yet he ends up disagreeing with all of his points. It's inconsistent and I think he is just making up his reads out of thin air.


I mentioned this earlier, I don't like the phrasing in this post. He seems afraid to outright accuse Supersoft, but he still wants to cast suspicion on to him.




Once again I think Koshi is playing scared. Earlier he said that he might be ok with lynching Rayn, and then as soon as Rayn accused him, he started giving him townie points for absolutely no reason. He also rushes in to Rayn's filter and searches his own name and tries to use that as a point against Rayn.

After that exchange insists several times that Rayn has to be scum for having a weak case, which isn't terrible reasoning. I don't like how much he uses the fact the people aren't listening to him to point towards him being scum. That is terrible reasoning.
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When he writes a case on Rayn his reasoning falls short.
-Who cares if people ignore his case. That doesn't make him scum. I also don't see him not caring that people disagree with his case.
-He says I am afraid. lol you are afraid.
-He thinks Sharrant is scum. But he could do this as town.
-He has the same SS read as me.
-He says he is good at reading Pandain and that Pandain is scum. he should wait longer. (?)
-Town Rayn ignores useless players - (I don't know if this is true and I don't actually remember Rayn spending too much time pushing me.)


Town Koshi is try hard. Koshi's filter this game is completely devoid of reasoning; he makes up scum reads as he goes along through the thread. He's given no reasoning why VA is scum. He's given no reasoning why Storrzerg is scum. He's given no reasoning why Yamato is scum. He's mentioned all of these people being scum several times throughout his filter before.
Koshi isn't town.