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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 03:03 GMT
#1027
If he really thought he was going to be lynched and decided to self vote to speed along that process to "help town" as he claimed, he was giving up way too early and for too little reason. Self voting when you know your going to be afk the rest of the lynch is helping town? If you read the thread around where he self voted you see he does it right after people start voting for me and thread sentiment does not indicate that there's enough reason for him to react so crazily.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 03:04 GMT
#1028
On November 08 2013 12:00 Umasi wrote:
##unvote
##vote umasi
peace bros, I'm out.

Suddenly I'm town? of course not.



it doesn't work that way :p it has to appear real
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 03:18 GMT
#1030
ok i'm fine with that for now.

I'd still like you to flesh out your van case and I'd like for you to read Syl when you get a chance since you said it's been awhile.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 03:42 GMT
#1034
Yeah I know what you mean about ceph. All throughout this game I've had tons of null reads who never talk. /shrug
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 03:58 GMT
#1037
On November 08 2013 12:55 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 12:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
If he really thought he was going to be lynched and decided to self vote to speed along that process to "help town" as he claimed, he was giving up way too early and for too little reason. Self voting when you know your going to be afk the rest of the lynch is helping town? If you read the thread around where he self voted you see he does it right after people start voting for me and thread sentiment does not indicate that there's enough reason for him to react so crazily.



Except I had to I knew I wouldnt be around. At the time I selfvoted I had two votes and at least 3 other people say they were fine with my lynch, with my vote that was one short of majority.


If you are green then there is absolutely no way that helping the thread lynch you is good for town. Did you really think it was either you getting lynched or no-lynch, that there would be no other wagons? There was one forming on me right before you self voted. The reason I don't buy the self vote is because I hardly see it from townies with this mindset of "i'm helping town." Usually townies do it out of frustration/martrydom, not some "for the good of town" sentiment.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 04:08 GMT
#1039
Vanesco have you never experienced a last minute vote switch? I don't think it deserves the scrutiny you're giving it. When the deadline is approaching fast, people are struggling to consolidate and they're out for blood, random wagons just happen.... especially when somebody pops into the thread the way gumshoe did.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 04:16 GMT
#1044
On November 08 2013 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 13:12 Umasi wrote:
On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?

So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.

OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.

##Vote: Sn0_Man

for my part: mainly because I was unsure about hzflank, and gumshoe was a better alternative.

I generally am leery of when people separate themselves from the thread so much in a /higher and mightier fashion, like 'wow you guys are duuuuuuumb and bad and not doing things effectively'
Is there a reason you're voting for sno aside from OO's interactions with him? (which I haven't read.)
You kind of jumped in thought process from
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433955&currentpage=27#523
sno_man:
Coming into this I am very cautious because he seems to be one of the people everybody is jumping on. He seems to want to lynch Onegu near the start because he cannot read him (terrible accusation). He has a very carefree attitude and he hasn't really given any real reads in my opinion. I am worried however that scum might tag along the sno train to lynch town. I have a null read on him atm but that is because he hasn't really said anything. No matter what his affiliation is, I think he is playing without care of the game.

to 'he's pretty scummy' to voting him, but you never actually address things he says as far as I can tell.

You mean like Rayn did?
Or me?
You haven't said anything about when we did it.

thrawn where are you?
I need you to be my marv this game.


hi. do you think onegu is scum or is your vote pure policy? if it's policy you're wasting time imo
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 04:33 GMT
#1050
If we're attacking people for not having an impact on the game I can think of some people that have been much less useful than sn0 and some of them are even town reads or have died and flipped green.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 05:28 GMT
#1056
I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well.

Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day

during d2 sylencia says this

On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro

Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.


Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2.

He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is....

On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 00:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you have anything to say about Onegu?


look at syl's reply

On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote:
##Vote Cephiro

Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.

Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.

In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others.


-could lynch hopeless
-people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2

the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn?

sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless?


There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead.


oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him"

why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 06:27 GMT
#1063
Onegu when I write something like this you need to give more than

On November 08 2013 15:19 Onegu wrote:
Again I have mostly agrred with sylencias train of thought especially day one, he hasnt been that active but I still put him in my town catagory as of now. This coupled with the OO interactions led me to believe he is town.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:06 GMT
#1069
guys what's going to happen in 12 hours? 2 replacements are still catching up, there's ceph who hasn't posted since night phase, sn0 has done nothing productive in D2 after I gave him a town read, i'm expecting an appearance from sylencia then he'll likely be gone the rest of the day..

that's 5 people and all of them can't be mafia which means if we're going to get a majority of votes on scum then those people need to step to it

if you are one of those and you are town then you are holding town back in a big way so lets go
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:11 GMT
#1071
how much of the game have you read
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:35 GMT
#1073
so........
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 09:40 GMT
#1075
does that tactic include voting
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 17:58 GMT
#1192
WoS you need to chill out lol

everyone vote onegu stay the course
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 18:04 GMT
#1197
On November 09 2013 03:01 Onegu wrote:
I had always has hz as scum, I had a slightly bigger scum read on hz than rayn. But rayn was the more dangerous player so I voted rayn, when koshi replaced in, he isnt as new as hz was and a better player imo, so my reasoning for voteing rayn over koshi orginaly was gone so I voted koshi.


ok so....

-hzflank is scum, rayn voted for hzflank so rayn must be scum too (btw, lots of other people voted for hzflank i dont see you doing analysis on their votes)

-but rayn is more dangerous so lynch him for the crime of "saving" hzflnak

-koshi is better than hzflank so vote for koshi

dude your reasons have nothing to do with scumhunting...everyone lynch this guy
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 18:05 GMT
#1198
ebwop first "-" line should say "voted for gumshoe" instead of "voted for hzflank"
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 18:06 GMT
#1201
well then tell me how?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 18:45 GMT
#1211
onegu, based on koshi's posts today do you really think he's mafia?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#1213
On November 09 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
thrawn if Onegu flips town, what happens?


idk, if that happens I will probably have to look at people like Sn0 and Ceph.

i have (wos rayn) as super town, koshi van umasi sn0 as likely town, ceph is kinda a wild card

actually I just remembered that I kinda agreed when rayn said that hopeless probably isn't scum lol, so one of the above reads is gonna have to change

I don't think onegu's alignemnt will affect my opinion on scum-sylencia unless I come across something in their filters post-flip
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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