EPTWhy are you focused on the fact that I'm bringing it up now instead of what it means about syl? You could at least comment on it rather than completely disregarding the point by trying to discredit me.
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Why are you focused on the fact that I'm bringing it up now instead of what it means about syl? You could at least comment on it rather than completely disregarding the point by trying to discredit me. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify): (1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo. (2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia. 1) I did not say so at the time but part of what initially made me hesitant about hzflank WAS what he said about Sylencia. Had he not said anything and not given a coherent argument I might have still lynched him. Also, expecting me to have already examined a 20 hr old post is weird. Do you expect me to follow up and do research into every single post and make an issue over everything that happens? No, I don't think that's rational which is sorta making me suspect that you're trying to deflect what I'm bringing up by discrediting how I brought it up. 2) I don't remember what you're referring to but I don't know how much it even matters. If Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really influence what I think about Syl's earlier actions. Also, I just read Syl's filter and don't see anything that clears up the specific issue of "Why is syl discrediting Ceph while not acting as if he thinks Ceph is mafia." If you can show me that then I *might* be able to accept your null read but as it is you're being pretty dodgy about this. | ||
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Rayn there are probably hundreds of posts that I didn't like when I read them the first time but the reality is that you're not gonna dive into every single post. The truth is that until hzflank restated his case before the lynch I had completely forgotten his points, or what's more likely is that I wasn't paying attention the first time. What irks me is that this is such a nitpicky issue that you've decided to invest your time into so wtf are you doing? What are your conclusions from this conversation? | ||
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On November 01 2013 00:03 ObviousOne wrote: I am going to try something new this game. Please sign up. Can you explain what this is? Have you been doing whatever it is? | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:09 Vanesco wrote: Ok I'm back now and have caught up on the latest happenings. I find it very disturbing that all of the votes that are put on gumshoe happen within the timespan of only the last 10 minutes of the day. This seems like a rushed decision and in all of the chaos I would assume that there was probably at least 1 mafia in there. Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account. Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe. I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place? I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help? | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:33 Vanesco wrote: You don't really end up voting for him because you really think he is scum. You even say that you use him as a placeholder and afterwards you explain your read on him here but even in that case you say that you are hesitant on him. It's alright to change ones mind, I'm just pointing out that it happened at a very crucial time and seems very much like a possible coincidence. And are you attacking me? I gave previous reasons as to why I would not be available well in advance. Correct, when I voted for him I did not think he was scum, as I stated in the vote post. At that point in the game I was using process of elimination to decide on a lynch and hzflank was one of the people I ruled out. I went and researched his filter, and it turned out there were things in his filter that made me actually want to lynch him which is why I stuck with my vote and tried to convince others to go along with it. And yes I was attacking you, not because I think you're scum (which I don't) but because it's really fucking annoying to be in the thread for like 4 solid hours before the lynch deadline desperately trying to put together a lynch when hardly anyone is around, and then later people who weren't around to help blame the people who were there. | ||
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On November 06 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: I posit that you have no right at all to be pissed off about the outcome of today's lynch and it is all a big show to deflect the blame. I expect at some point for other people to read our exchange and comment on it, but as it stands Rayn will be my target for tomorrow. This is really the only part of the argument that I followed and I agree with it, especially with rayn starting off D1 deliberately being useless. | ||
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The only reason I gave rayn a pass initially is because he started playing the game, but those are pretty low standards to hold him to. ET will hate me for this but I don't see how rayn could still see ET as scum at this stage in the game. That tunnel is looking more forced as it's continued over into N1. (btw rayn, nobody needs to respond to your case on ET because you should be able to figure it out for yourself) Also go look at the argument I had with rayn about Syl, can you figure out exactly wtf his motives were during that conversation? He appeared to have absolutely no interest in what hzflank said about Syl, instead choosing to make the issue entirely about how I've waited until now to bring up a point made a day ago? Is that even a legitimate concern? The argument kinda fizzled out with, from what I could tell, rayn not having reached any conclusions about my alignment. So I can't figure out what his issue was other than he wanted to discredit me. Yes, I think I will be joining you on the rayn-train tomorrow. | ||
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SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with? Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land. Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch. | ||
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Is Ceph scum? lol fuck if I know. Do you think that as scum he would have popped up last minute to push a mislynch through if his plan the whole time was to cause a no lynch? Here's what I got written down about Ceph (actual quotes from my notes are in quotes) "...... + for confidence and truthfulness" (this refers to his starting posts. he was being weird and I called him out for it and imo he was pretty straight up with me) "wow tryhard megapost.. and + for pleading at the end of it" (obviously referring to all the posts about WoS. I talked to him about that case and I never felt any maliciousness behind it) "hella awkward nolynch push and gum vote but why would scum be that awkward?" (referring to what I mentioned after the lynch and in the paragraph above these notes) so probably not? | ||
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On November 06 2013 13:47 ObviousOne wrote: I'm on page 27 of the re-read. Right now I'm seeing that there's still no call for consolidation and people are still generating "cases" and voting their scum reads. Lots of echoes that Sn0 is scummy, and after WoS takes a stand that he's not voting Sn0 it seems like Sn0 completely fell off the table. I guess it's possible that it's because Sn0 showed up not that long after I went to sleep. Anyway, there's definitely a power vacuum going on by page 27, nobody is taking control temporarily to get things on track for an effective lynch. You can decide for yourself who you think those players might be in your own opinion; I probably would have continued repeating myself regarding Sn0 because I didn't see anything in his filter regarding why exactly I'm scum. We basically let him get away with being a lazy fuck. After your reread I'd like to talk to you about anything interesting that came up during your read-through and about sn0 or whoever else your top pick for scum may be. | ||
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Anyways, I'm not sure what conclusion you're going for with all of this so as soon as you reach one and want some feedback let me know. | ||
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On November 06 2013 14:26 ObviousOne wrote: God I really want to lynch ET right now. I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there. | ||
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