Newbie Mini Mafia L

On October 30 2013 10:07 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Storr's post seems to be just trying to randomly add suspicion on Balla. There's no justification behind it, only a weak suggestion that the post might be bad somehow. Almost like he's hoping for someone else to jump in and find a reason to get Balla lynched.

On October 30 2013 10:21 cakemanofdoom wrote:
onlywonderboy's the one who's defending Balla. I'm simply questioning Storr right now: his pressure, if it's just pressure, came without any sort of explanation, or justification.
At least, wouldn't something concrete (rather than a vague comment that can basically be ignored as personal musing) be better for forcing people to talk?

On October 30 2013 15:53 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Not addressing Balla is because I've been trying to address my accusations in general. I only addressed people directly when they directly ask me something or if there's something in a post that confused me.

I think Balla is justified in calling me scummy (though I'm not scum). Van's comment on me defending Balla was inaccurate, so I wanted to correct him. Carelessly, I mentioned owb's post as an example of what I consider defending (actually disagreeing with the one who's doing the questioning) in hopes of making it clear that I was not defending. I can see how that looks like deflecting, and why that looks bad on me.

And then, I was trying to get more people to talk, though that came off as asking people for their thoughts without contributing anything to town. It's just that at that point, from my perspective, no one was acting particularly scummy, so I focused on trying to get people to say stuff that I could make reads with.


Hope my thought process is clear to you all. I'm town, and I know there's not much that I can say at this point to convince you guys of that. Thankfully, we have plenty of time for others to post, so hopefully I'll prove my innocence hunting scum once everyone else starts posting.

On October 30 2013 11:29 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'll be out for a couple hours but I'll check the thread before I head to sleep. I don't want to clog up the thread with useless posts.

I like storr's abrasiveness early. It moves our discussion along. I want to hear the response to balla's question.

Looking at the TL profiles nyxnyxnyx is the only player clearly marked outside of North America. Make your presence known here town. Otherwise you're going to end up lynched and that's not a great start to the game.

On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
@cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one.

Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him.

@storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games.

On October 30 2013 10:21 JonnyLaw wrote:
I disagree that length of posts matter but posting actively and participating in the game does matter. That could be what he meant just phrased differently. That's exactly what we should be talking about at this point in order to form a plan for finding the scum in the game.

On October 30 2013 16:47 JonnyLaw wrote:
I want responses poofter and Vanesco. Sleeping and another game are fine since we still have some time before votes are tallied and we lynch.

On October 31 2013 02:36 Vonthin wrote:
Not sure Nyx is mafia, he did the same exact thing last game, hardly posted here and never gave good reasons on why he thought people were scum/voting for people. I want to see him post more to see if anything is different but so far seems like standard Nyx. The point Cake has though about posting on the LoL forums is valid though.

On October 31 2013 03:07 onlywonderboy wrote:
nyx - I want to avoid a nyx lynch on day 1 at least. I really want to hear more from him to see if he learned anything from last game. My point earlier about him wasn't that he was quiet, it was that he's quiet so I can't really judge if he's trying to improve his play from last game

July - He played a very aggro game last time too so none of his comments seem out of character. He was SK last game, but that didn't stop him from playing in a way that didn't preserve his well being. I want to see how his posts develop but his current comments might not seem as scum as a lot of people are making them out to be

cake - biggest scum read (not original, but it's how I feel) A large portion of his posts have been spent defending himself and they have been incredibly wordy and not include a lot of semantics. I also I'm not sold on the tehpoofter scum read. He's been a little inconsistent, but nothing super scummy in my eyes.

On October 31 2013 03:19 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i've actually revised my opinion on cakeman, he does give off some noobie town vibes after looking through the filter. can always save him for a later lynch.

for vanesco, im not sure if zealousness wrt to searching and researching people is a norm for people playing forum mafia. would a scum do that to appear useful? vanesco just seems really eager to poke at people and stir up discussion, which isn't necessarily bad. overall scum read: probably not

so yes, 180 degrees turn on both.

when does voting close?

On October 31 2013 02:22 July617 wrote:



Vanesco I understand your new, but reminding us that you're new isn't helping your case. People are looking for someone to lynch and you aren't helping yourself at all right now.

On October 31 2013 02:27 July617 wrote:


I don't need to grasp when you're doing the digging yourself .

On November 01 2013 02:51 Balla24 wrote:
Also, literally everybody has been jumping on July, whereas only me and Obzy have jumped on Storr. Everybody on July makes me very weary.

On November 01 2013 05:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i actually believe E00e. let's just say i woke up at 4am for a reason and maybe it's to save you E00e.

##unvote

##Vote: OdinOfPergo

On November 01 2013 12:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
yay i wasn't on the wrongwagon! i would think one of the people who voted July is scum, and possibly also include other early-voters-who-went-inactive-before-deadline (sadly includes me)

On November 01 2013 13:34 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
what's your point storr?

On October 31 2013 15:36 cakemanofdoom wrote:
As I admitted, I made bad posts. Nothing about what I've done will flat out clear me, and it's perfectly reasonable to keep an eye on me.

My priority is finding mafia, or at least a good day one lynch. Think it's more important than clearing my name right now.
So without further ado, main reads after rereading filters:

Tehpoofter started by jumping on me. Reasonable. But the reasoning he provided, about me not directly addressing Balla, feels like a way to seem productive rather than an actual contribution. I think he talks about outside matters too much for my taste; it just isn't helpful and I think that the only game-relevant effect is as an excuse for lurking. From then on, he's been continuing to attack me or explaining himself. His explanations are pretty logical to me, but he's also not being helpful. I still think there's a good chance he's scum.

Storr: It's great that he's trying to direct town to be productive, but he isn't providing anything that helps find mafia (seems helpful without providing the most important part). He's been around in the thread a bit too long for that to seem normal. And it looks like he's not going to be helpful for a while. He looks bad, he knows it, not much more to say. I'll be waiting for his analyses.

onlywonderboy: I'm not liking what he's posted. Only person he's casted suspicion on is me, which takes no effort. He also mentions that I'm not super scummy for some reason. Meanwhile, he just tells us to look for other lynch options from nyx and July, but he doesn't call them town personally go looking for any lynch options. Might be mafia deflecting from a teammate or two, but it seems a bit silly to make connections with teammates already. It also keeps town from doing stuff, if he tries to move the conversation around without telling who he thinks should be talked about. I think it's likely that he's trying to look good and openminded without committing to any reads, which is scummy. Contribute more please.

July: Very first post, he makes a point to call it his "town post". What. This looks like he only cares about looking town, not finding mafia. I don't think mafia would be dumb enough to say that. Then he states repeatedly that he won't make useless posts, but each one of those posts is useless. I don't even know what to think.


At this point I'm feeling a poofter lynch. July confuses me more than anything. He looks bad, but I don't see how his posts help mafia. I'm waiting on Storr's actual analyses, but with his lack of content I'd settle for lynching him. poofter being useless after being called out several times is what I think makes him look worse than owb, but if owb doesn't contribute more I'd be fine with lynching him too.

On October 31 2013 16:08 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Odin, anything in particular you want from me? I can try to address any burning questions you have, though I'd rather focus on scumhunting since it doesn't look like I need to defend myself from a lynch right now.

On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote:
If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract.
This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline

Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head.

On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good.

If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.

Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly.
Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful.

Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting.

On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote:
No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read.

Are you kidding me Obzy? July's said whatever he wants all game not caring what anyone else has said about him. If that's not confidence it's stupidity if he's scum. I believe most players in this game are not stupid.

On November 01 2013 04:43 E00e wrote:
At this point I feel like I will get lynched because I got the initial votes nearing the dead line and people signing off with them. If you are going to vote for me because you just want to have somebody lynched Id like to remind you that a few people could be the target of this vote and the votes on me really started with the accusations on me that I disproved (at least no one said otherwise after I posted my statements about them).
I believe other players could still get lynched and if you vote you should conscious of the fact that is just a "bad feeling".

On November 01 2013 04:53 E00e wrote:
As I said I will be around for now and I already said who I would like to lynch the most so I dont feel like my vote is important right now, but here it is:
##vote: OdinOfPergo

On November 02 2013 10:42 StorrZerg wrote:
@JonnyLaw and @cakemanofdoom looks like you are going to have a lot of pressure put your way, Not looking for you guys to defend yourselves exactly, but i am looking for some good content.

atm jonny, i was leaning more towards you just pushing bad ideas, but still wanting to do good for town. (although your post that july was obviously town seemed a bit bad to me and i called you out on that) as far as your alignment before the night kill happened, i don't think i would have pressured a vote on you.

and cake, i defend you earlier, however I'll need to reread your filter.

@ Vonthin you have 9 and 10 listed with no names.

also again "lists"
@vonthin you list E00e as scummy and @Balla24 you list him as town. could you guys go into more detail why.

On November 02 2013 23:23 StorrZerg wrote:






You have no idea how much i want to lynch for this crap. You did not respond to a single thing, and you didn't even post anything on why. I'm spending far to much time looking at you and dealing with your nonsense. I honestly can't tell if your bad town or scum from this crap. I have to decide if your worth the lynch when i would rather you be contributing to town. and looking at others. I'm trying so hard to make this not a "well nyx called me mafia so nyx has to be mafia now"

On November 03 2013 04:19 StorrZerg wrote:
@balla what makes you think that it was a mafia role blocker? It could be possible it was a town play. If you are telling the truth, about being role blocked that is, i am more inclined to believe as well that it was a mafia role blocker.

On November 03 2013 05:16 StorrZerg wrote:


I see no reason to lynch balla to see if he was actually role blocked...
could he be mafia saying this? sure
could he be town saying this? sure

Him flipping would tell us quite a bit regarding if a mafia has a role blocker. I see no point lynching him today, to see if he lied about being role blocked. This information will be available to us when balla flips regardless. He is being far to active in this game while we have far to many inactive players to even consider lynching him today.

On November 02 2013 11:08 JonnyLaw wrote:
@storr Read my posts for the entire game. I've said I'm willing to vote for whatever the majority is if needed. I didn't want to f5 the thread nonstop for the last two minutes to ensure that it was indeed a majority lynch. Someone, even town, could switch off at the end with good intentions. Lynching someone is better than no one in most cases. Even if no one is using ANY of the info we gained from that lynch.

@obzy Oh yeah, why do you say that it's scummy for me to want E00e before July? E00e called out odin hard and fast. If he's scum odin isn't. It's simple. Sure I think Odin is scummy but again it's not 100% certain especially on day 1. At least there's easy info to be gained. They were both just clearly superior lynches and you were the deciding factor in getting july lynched.

On November 02 2013 11:27 JonnyLaw wrote:
@vonthin My case on Odin was simple. He came into the thread, was disruptive and tossed out scum accusations at players without knowledge of the entire game. By doing so he creates chaos among the town. After he did that he lied about reading the thread. Chaos + Lying = scum or terrible town.

@storr Yeah, you're right. It's been a long week and my tolerance for people is very low at the moment. I'm not helping anyone by being so abrasive. Honestly I think Obzy's mad I said I told you so! I'm acting like an entitled twelve year old. I'll crack down and get something accomplished.

On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote:
@Vonthin What the fuck are you talking about? I said july was a bad lynch when he had 3 votes and odin had ONE. I said that the entirety of the lynching process. I said he was maybe the third best option we had at one point and changed my mind from even that before he was lynched.

@obzy You didn't like my comment that Odin was our best lynch even if he was town because he doesn't contribute. There's a 25% chance we lynch scum day 1. On july I felt it was closer to 10% chance and on Odin closer to 50%. July's play made no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't know what you're missing here.

@Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this.


Honestly, I'm getting tired of everyone here. No one makes an analytic read of the voting process at all. Do you guys even try to win? I gave some people in this thread of the benefit of the doubt. But, apparently I'm dumb enough to snipe someone who's calling me out. Oh well, I'm gonna read the filters and compare times. I'll post more later.

By the way, Obzy you're awful at this game.

On November 02 2013 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm having a piss poor attitude because I take time, evaluate the game, read filters and get zero responses because the town is lazy. If we lose because of my frustration at the lack of effort from other players I will not feel guilty in the slightest.

On November 02 2013 12:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Why would he propose to start a lynch train on Odin when no one else had if they're scum partners? That's all I'm saying man. It's a much easier read than what we gained from lynching July which is almost nothing at this point. I'm trying to dig through and see who pushed to lynch July at convenient times.

Also, I think everyone in this game has called me scum at some point. I've been active and aggressive.

On November 03 2013 04:12 JonnyLaw wrote:
Storr why do you want to lynch nyx? I mean he's not contributing anything so it's not a terrible plan but it feels like another crap shoot.

He calls me town after I waste everyone's time and clog up the thread for multiple pages arguing with obzy and balla. I don't like this at all.

He says he's bad at the game and goes on a feeling voting for you. That seems very sloppy if it's mafia play. Some people do not express themselves eloquently. I mean, there's just not much to go on with this read.

He's not the worst candidate for lynching. I'm going to reread a bit and see if someone stands out as a better choice.

On November 02 2013 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
Last comment until I read further in the voting.

You realize you're just taking the bait by trying to vote me scum. If you're scum, who better to kill than a guy who's making aggressive posts about other town players. I mean I have no problem being accused of scum you'd be silly not to consider all options. But, you're being misled by a simple play from the mafia players.

On November 03 2013 05:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
I dunno Balla, you're playing the same game you did in the last two games.

Posting actively, pointing attention at players that are not yourself. Actually, your behavior is nearly identical.

Last game you said bereft played the same town as he did in his first game. He was scum, so were you. When I brought up Odin, you said he played the same game he did last game where he was town and you were scum.

Identical arguments.

You said we get information when july flips scum. What's that information?

On November 03 2013 05:05 JonnyLaw wrote:
There isn't necessarily a mafia role blocker, correct?

On November 02 2013 10:42 Vonthin wrote:
Only thing preventing me from voting for him is if he was mafia why kill the person who was putting the most heat on him? Wouldn't that make him even more suspicious then he already was before Van died?

On November 02 2013 12:05 Vonthin wrote:
My current thoughts on people


1.Jonny - Honestly not sure anymore, I don't see why he would kill Van if he was mafia as it would put him in the spotlight. I don't like his early cases on Odin, after the drunk posts I think he posting exactly the same as last game where he was town.

2. OWB- His filter is just as small as mine but I feel like he hasn't contributed much in those posts and is just trying to blend in. He started out posting just about meta stuff and how lurkers need to post stuff. He kept this up till someone called him out on it. The post right after said he would start posting reads and stuff and he did but they were reads that were either common opinions like how Nyx is prob town since he posting exactly the same as last game and then the popular Cake is scum read at the time. His third read in that post was about July, wasn't saying he was scum but was saying he is playing different than last game and we should watch his posts. Talks about lurkers need to post, which is always a valid thing but they know they need to post more(well I know I need to post more and hope others know that to, also find it funny since he is also a lurker who has posted just as much as me). He posts some reads again about how Storr hasn't done much and then he says his main scum read is on E00e, I thought he was somewhat suspicious at the time but he doesn't really give a reason why he is voting for him other than that he looks suspicious and doesn't think he is town. After that he says he has to go and won't be back before the deadline. He leaves his vote on E00e but doesn't say why he is voting for him and in the earlier post where he thinks e00e is scum he doesn't give any good reason other than he looks suspicious. That just seems really scummy to me leaving a vote on someone and not giving clear explanations why.

He comes back and responds after being called out by Balla about leaving the vote on E00e. He says he didn't want to not vote and felt e00e was a safe vote, never says any reason why it was a safe vote again, when someone asks him about that he says he gave his reasons on e00e in that earlier post. In that earlier post all he says he feels like its a good vote because he under suspicion and that he hasn't done anything to make me feel like he is town. I just can't accept this as a answer for leaving a vote on someone.


His last post was calling me out, I deserved to be called out at that point since I didn't post that much and a lot of my reads were sheeps. I just find that its funny he called me out on that when he has hardly put any reads out there too and the reason he voted for E00e was just cause he was under suspicion at the time and doesn't seem town. That looks like a sheep read to me.

3. Balla - As for Storr's request as for why I think he is town all game I thought he brought up good questions and pressure on people. I have agreed on almost all of his reads all game too. None of his posts have just seem scummy to me.


Will post my e00e and some other thoughts later, gotta do some ranked 5s with my team and practice for a lan in a couple of days

On November 02 2013 12:15 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I never saw anyone who actually liked July's posting at that point. I personally didn't, and it felt like several people had called him out/mentioned suspicion of him at some point or another. I remembered van had mentioned preferring to vote for July over E00e. A few people had opposed a nyx lynch, and I personally didn't like the idea of a lynch on E00e since his posts weren't that bad. Sure, Balla wanted you dead Jonny, but I didn't see support coming for that since I thought some people had town reads on you.

I'm not sure we should be looking too deeply into Van's death. He's strong enough of a town player that mafia might just want him dead even if it incriminates them imo. Also, exact opposite interpretations can be made of his death: either van's suspects are mafia and wanted to kill their accuser, or those suspects are innocent since they would never incriminate themselves by killing a vocal accuser like that. But of course, if the mafia knew the latter, they might feel safe killing their accusers and expecting town to think that they'd never do that...


So vonthin, do you think owb is mafia?

On November 01 2013 02:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote:


E00e was a crapshoot when i thought the voting was closing in 5 hours time. at that point E00e had pretty much nothing posted and was pretty much just a lurker vote for me to fulfill the 'must vote' condition.

On November 01 2013 02:14 nyxnyxnyx wrote:


poofter has more content posted compared to E00e, who had close to nothing at the time of my vote for him. i don't like odin this game, jonny seems fine to me. do not like July either.

On November 01 2013 05:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i actually believe E00e. let's just say i woke up at 4am for a reason and maybe it's to save you E00e.

##unvote

##Vote: OdinOfPergo

On November 01 2013 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote:


if you compare to last game i'm doing a lot more. better is relative, my friend

talking about broken promises, i recall you were advocating a tighter game by towns, but you seem all over the place yourself. coulda condensed a lot of those 'reads' you had on me into one simple sentence, rather than a long post that serves no purpose. are you scum, storr?

On November 01 2013 18:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
any analytical soul wants to put the current conflicts into a nice, easily analyzable form so we can deduce relationships?

On November 02 2013 01:48 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
after going through both filters:

jonny has some strong belief that july is not scum. this belief is proven correct when july flips town, so he's now mad that no one listened and is taking it out on you in particular because you prodded him.

you are answering his questions, but not to his liking. at this point it seems like both of you are just getting pissy at each other when i believe both are in fact, town.

On November 02 2013 02:12 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i don't blame anyone for the july vote. if we went by what transpired last game and how he eventually flipped SK, i think it wasn't out of the question to think he could be non-town.