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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
November 05 2013 19:24 GMT
#1461
cool now that we have this over with.... any other actual content
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 19:32 GMT
#1462
haha honestly i'm just waiting for obzy to chime in as well as OWB..
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 05 2013 19:36 GMT
#1463
Just a quick post from me for now -

##Vote: Onlywonderboy

I haven't been impressed by him up to this point, some combination of him, Von, and Storr seems most likely, and I don't feel the need to save owb by pushing the other two. I will try to spend a few hours this evening/night digesting the past 20+ pages and giving my thoughts, but I've felt comfortable with the direction things have been going, so I've sat back for a little while now rather than attempting to muddy things up. I don't think my conclusions will be very different than what Balla and Jonny have/had already discussed, but - who knows ^_^;;

(Hehe and now that I hit refresh to make sure I'm not missing anything, Balla is mentioning me. Heyo~)
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
November 05 2013 19:47 GMT
#1464
On November 06 2013 04:32 Balla24 wrote:
haha honestly i'm just waiting for obzy to chime in as well as OWB..


odin too?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 05 2013 19:49 GMT
#1465
Well damn, it seems the voting train on me got started while I was away. Don't really have much to add since most of the post were just scum reads on me. I wish I could defend myself but I can't disagree I played like shit, was busy and didn't contribute nearly enough. I'll still be around in case I come up with something to change other people's mind, I haven't given up, but damn this looks dire haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
November 05 2013 19:53 GMT
#1466
scumhunt then OWB you still have lots of time
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 20:00 GMT
#1467
On November 06 2013 04:47 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 04:32 Balla24 wrote:
haha honestly i'm just waiting for obzy to chime in as well as OWB..


odin too?


Nah IDC about odin ^_^... but seriously I'm not expecting him to chime in until way later tonight..
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 20:18 GMT
#1468
I guess I'd rather not let the thread die though so lets start some more discussion.

Storr: After OWB flips mafia, who should we kill?
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
November 05 2013 20:38 GMT
#1469
tbh i'd need some time to look at things when that happens
regardless what he flips, i don't think i would be looking at these 4 for a lynch on the following day.

OBZY
balla
cake
storr


which leaves Vonthin, odin, nyxnyxnyx, E00e


Since Vonthin has defended myself, and has pushed OWB. I would feel better about him not being lynched.
Which leaves odn and nyx.
based on what "nyx" has said, i suppose he would fall short of the lynch then as well. His day 2 was terrible, his day 3 has been getting a bit better since he is attempting to not tunnel and leading to a OWB flip i think it buys him a day too.
as of right now

Odin, day 1 pushed 2 votes on town (cake and jonny) and pushed cake (whom im leaning town today on)
day 2, he moved to tehpoofter before myself, maybe it was clear poofter was going to be the lynch that day since he had "vanished" he voted on jonny that day again, and vonthin (who if OWB flips scum, leads to a better looking vonthin, which means odin really has not pushed a scum to a vote yet... which is bad for odin)

Odin would be a fine lynch if OWB flips scum

E00e looks worse imo if OWB flips scum as well imo (doesn't explain the RB claim though i still have to think about that, and see what happens the following day for that )
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 20:44 GMT
#1470
How do you explain OWB leaving a vote on E00 before going afk on day1 then? Looks pretty solidly like OWB was totally fine with E00 dying that day...
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
November 05 2013 20:58 GMT
#1471
There have been a lot of posts and I dont have anything new to add right now. I will probably reread everything since the day started and if something stands out I might post about it in real world tomorrow.
As I said yesterday I would still lynch OWB and I still feel like he is not mafia with Vonthin. Since he was seen as scummy by a lot of people and a lot was written about him I hope it is okay if I just vote for him at the moment.
##vote: onlywonderboy
Could someone shine in on why they think I was roleblocked? I believe mafia would do that if they thought I was cop, but if they thought I was cop by a scum read of mine they would have killed me so I could not post about it. So it must have come from a town read of mine but that only really about Jonny , right? So they kill what they think was confirmed town and rb the potential cop?
If that is true then no information is gained through the RB for us though....
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
November 05 2013 21:00 GMT
#1472
*****but that could only really be about Jonny
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
November 05 2013 21:08 GMT
#1473
Yeah E00e, they probably roleblocked you and killed Jonny thinking Jonny was the stronger townie, and they wanted to silence him, but they were worried you had a role.

At the very least, the roleblock helps alleviate my lingering paranoia about Balla. He was telling the truth about the rb unless he planned this all out to clear himself, and I don't see a need for him of all people to need such clearing. He'd probably let a scumbuddy get cleared this way instead.


Lemme think about the lynch, I'll hold off on my vote since there's over a whole day left. Owb's a solid enough vote, but I might as well use the time and consider things through.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 21:11 GMT
#1474
Seems like the only reasonable explanation to me. In all honesty I think it's very hard for the mafia to find blues atm... we're quite an active town and everybody is giving their reasoning for as much as they can. Another reason I could see for them thinking you are blue is the fact that you are very inactive, and they know you're not a mafia person.

We do gain some information actually!! Thanks for bringing this up. Two things I can come up:

1. You're confirmed townie.
2. OWB is scum.

Why #2? Well because why did OWB not receive the roleblock? His play is just as blue if not moreso then E00 (inactive, not giving reasoning for his reads, trying to stay under the radar)...

It's possible they didn't want to RB OWB because he had suspicion on him and didn't want to confirm him as town, which lends credence to storr/vonthin, but I feel it doesn't fit them because they ended up RBing E00 (who storr is still pushing) and confirming him. I think it is much more likely that they went for whoever they had the most blue feeling from, and landed on E00. It's hard as scum, to think about the consequences of night actions since a town is very unpredictable. Good find, E00.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 21:13 GMT
#1475
EBWOP: Two things I can come up with
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 21:18 GMT
#1476
Some clarification on the last point:

Using the roleblock on me would be the only way to not add any more confirmed townies (or obviously not use it at all, but why do that unless they wanted to push for me, which nobody has been doing)...

So if they didn't want to add any more confirmed townies, why RB e00 at all?

This IS very hard to understand btw, so also hard to make it clear what i'm trying to say. Let me know if you aren't following...
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
November 05 2013 21:19 GMT
#1477
I'm not sure I agree with your logic that this incriminates owb. If owb's town scum would want to avoid anything that might clear him, and a roleblock would certainly do that to an extent, so they'd probably rb someone else.

Also, if owb is scum, his team could have declined to roleblock and let him claim to have been roleblocked.

I'm not really sure how to analyze blues, but from what I've read E00e fits the bill better. owb is kinda just flying under the radar without helping, while E00e actually tries to help without posting too much and drawing attention to himself. Seems like the former is more scum than blue haha.


In summary, I don't want to draw too many conclusions from the rb (owb being scum on his own merit is a different story).
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 21:24 GMT
#1478
Haha, you're right on that (Owb is more scum than blue, whereas E00 actually seems blue)

I just thought it was interesting to think about...

Actually, it could somewhat clear Storr a little bit... why would you mafia RB someone who you want to push? Right?
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
November 05 2013 21:33 GMT
#1479
Maybe.

Storr barely pushed E00e imo and it could just be appearing to contribute by picking on a quiet guy.

At this stage though I can see just about everything Storr does as a caught mafia trying to avoid getting lynched. He's just seemed so scummy to me for long enough, and he's been pushed enough, that it could be possible. I'm not sure anything would clear him from suspicion save solid facts from his or owb's flip.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 21:35 GMT
#1480
Gotta agree with that.
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