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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 04 2013 00:35 GMT
#1120
woops didnt update the thread to see you unvoted
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 04 2013 01:11 GMT
#1153
On November 04 2013 10:09 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm comfortable with the Von lynch coming up. Let's discuss this issue. He defended until it was a clear lynch then tried to switch off of poofter.


I only wanted to switch off Poofter cause there was a good chance of a modkill if he didn't post or a replacement. Once he posted again I voted for him again. I always thought he was scummy. look at my filter
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 04 2013 01:24 GMT
#1157
On November 04 2013 10:05 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Thoughts on that cute interaction before the lynch?



I think at the time of that post he knew he couldn't say anything to get us to switch so he made a post to try to throw us off the case of his friends. The first point he made was look at the people who led the charge against him so he wanted us to look at those guys so I think at least 1 of the remaining mafia did not vote for him, This leaves OWB/Nyx/E00e. He then says look into the people who are saving OWB so I think he was trying to redirect off of him. Then says look into Cake/Jonny/OWB thinking since he flipped mafia he prob thought it could maybe make them look better. Still think OWB is 100% mafia especially after this last post

On November 04 2013 09:48 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote:
What about myself? or Cake? (the only other 2 you could vote for that have votes on them)

I was still hoping there was a chance people switching over to Von. I kinda tunneled visioned on him and didn't really have solid cases for other players.



Sounds like a mafia excuse to me. When you are town you have to have reads on everyone and not just tunnel that hard on one guy. He sheeped a vote on e00e day one and did nothing else till all he did was call me scum, nothing else besides that besides excuses.

Gonna look into Nyx more and Cake for the third mafia, still leaning towards Jonny as town but not counting him out as mafia
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 04 2013 02:26 GMT
#1160
I can see why some people can see a link between us, I defended you a couple times recently. I think you are town currently, I thought you were a little scummy for day/night 1 since your posts didn't say much imo, but then after I started to ask you a lot of questions and call you out you responded very well and then just started to make good town like posts. I think OWB is def scum and you were pretty much the only one besides me who was 100% ok with lynching him, Obzy was ok with it too but he already confirmed town. I think you were smart to be semi-hesitant on the Poofter vote since he might have been mod killed/replaced since he wasn't posting so we would've wasted the lynch if he didnt end up posting, once he did started posting you pressed him to get out information of him to help us determine who was mafia depending how he flipped and I think the info we got out of him from your questions will def help us find the remaining 2.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#1373
I currently think OWB is scum and then his partner is prob Odin.

On November 05 2013 06:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
In order storr > odin > vonthin > owb > E00e > nyx for lynch candidates as of this moment.


I don't see why Storr would kill Jonny since he was Jonnys main scum read and would put him even more in the spotlight to get himself lynched. I thought Jonny was somewhat suspicious after Van getting lynched but I gave up on him being scum cause I thought he was 2 smart of a guy to kill Van if he was scum since it would just make him worse.

I think the remaining two mafia killed Jonny for two reasons. 1. It would make Storr look bad so he would get lynched 2. Jonny was right about his other scum reads. I know I am town and I already listed why I think Storr isn't mafia so that leaves OWB/Nyx/E00e/Odin. I think OWB is def mafia and leaning towards Odin for his partner, Nyx could be his partner but I see Odin more likely. Do not have a strong read on E00e. I also do not think Cake/Balla would be working with him either.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#1374
My case for OWB:


When I read his filter it just screams to me text book mafia blending in. Day 1 he did not do a lot. Votes for E00e and doesn't give any solid reasons why other than other people saw him as scum and that he has a bad feeling about him. Leaves the vote on him and is gone for the rest of the day. He also doesn't talk about Poofter at all but calls out Cake for being scum when he was the main person calling out Poofter. Day 2 he doesn't do much besides call me out for lurking and sheeping which he has been doing himself. When asked for other reads he said he was just tunneling on me all day and had nothing else which looks bad since you should always have thoughts on other people if you are town since there are multiple mafia. Doesn't talk about Poofter again and when asked for an opinion he says his vote doesn't matter cause everyone already had their minds made up on him, another text book mafia play where you don't take a stance on something. 2 minutes before the day 2 deadline happened, Poofter realized he wasn't going to be able to defend himself anymore so he made an attempt to try to throw us off the case for the other 2 mafia remaining. He said look at the people who are saving OWB. With that he wanted us to think OWB could be town since he called him scum and wanted us to think the people who didn't vote for him scummy. He then says when he flips town look at Cake/Jonny/OWB, I think this was another statement to confuse us to not thinking OWB is scum because he is saying he is suspicious again.

As for OWB's more recent posts at the end of night 2 and start of day 3 he is still tunneling me and not giving reads on other people. He says I haven't tried to push other plays which just isn't true, I tried to push Jonny and Storr at one point in day 2 but after they gave me good responses to my accusations I didn't think they were scum anymore. Main reason why I didn't push for Poofter even though I thought he was scummy all game and said I would vote for him cause I thought OWB was a better lynch at the time since Poofter didn't post anything recently and there was a chance of a modkill which wouldve meant a wasted lynch. Once Poofter tried to defend himself and failed, I revoted for him right away.


I also do not like his day posts just now about the blues. His first post seemed like he was surprised that Jonny didn't flip blue like he was blue sniping. He then made a post saying he wondered who the blue players were, I just don't see the reason for this post unless you were scum and were hoping for someone to admit they were blue. Then makes another post saying he hopes blues make some sort of contribution to the game soon. I just don't see a reason for a blue to come out and say hey I am a cop, unless they are a cop who got 2 reads back that are positive for scum or if they were about to get lynched.I see this as another post as hoping a blue will come out so he will have an easy night kill.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#1375
Current thoughts on Odin:

After the drunk posts he started to post just like he did last game. This isn't saying much cause it would be an ok tactic to post like you were town but none of his posts then didn't seem that scummy to me at the time he started posting normally. Also what if the drunk/stress posts were just an easy excuse to pardon his disruption to the game? Looking at his reads and votes and reasoning for them seem a little off to me. He voted for July very late, his reason was that he just doesn't like his posts and will post his reasons why after the deadline but I don't think he did make that post so it sorta looks like he was just trying to fit in with the common July vote since he was already set to be lynched. His first vote on day 2 was on Jonny, saying he made disruptive posts and tried to deflect. While Jonny was being somewhat disruptive he was still bringing up good points and reads at the time imo, to me his post just seemed his was sorta mad at him for arguing with him d1 and calling him out being scum and almost getting him killed.

His next vote seems even more suspicious to me and not cause it was on me. Before he voted for me he made a post saying that he did not like my post where I said Jonny was town and OWB was scum. He says I am trying to deflect off Jonny and make a train on OWB. His reasons for not liking OWB is scum is that he is not around to defend himself and that I hesitated since I didn't put my vote in the post where I called OWB out and only voted for him when Cake asked if I thought he was scum. I honestly forgot to vote in that post, also don't see how that makes my case for OWB any weaker. Seems to me he was trying to deflect off of OWB and keep the Jonny is scum discussion going. Then proceeds to unvote Jonny and vote for me saying he doesn't like my posts. Why unvote for Jonny and then vote for me if he only thought I was deflecting off of Jonny and saying he was town? He never gave a reason why he unvoted Jonny, his last before before he unvoted him was saying he liked him as a Day 2 lynch. Later on he unvotes me and Votes for poofter(4th vote on Poofter). Says he still doesn't like my posts but can chalk it up to bad town play. Still doesn't say why he doesn't like me besides that I thought I was deflecting off of Jonny and onto OWB. His reason to vote for poofter is that we had to lynch someone today and that he looks best out of the lurkers. Never actually says why he thinks Poofter looks bad other than that he is a lurker. I think at that point since it was a long long time since Poofter posted anything and everyone was onto him and it was gonna be impossible for him to defend himself with so little time left he just threw him under the bus to make himself look better.

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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 04:57 GMT
#1376
As for interactions between Poofter/OWB/Odin

OWB:

Does not mention Odin at all. Say he didn't like the case on Poofter early on in Day 1 but doesn't really say anything besides that about Poofter.

Poofter:

Does not say anything about OWB till the very end of Day 2. He votes for him just to vote for someone. Then says look into the people who are saving OWB. Then says to investigate him with some other people. He said the last two points 2 minutes before he got lynched, think he was saying he was scum to throw us off with reverse psychology since he would end up flipping scum.

As for his interactions with Odin he says in Day 1 that he agrees with Jonny that he shouldn't ave signed up if he didn't have the time. Then says he wants to see more out of him when he ends up posting more. Other than that he doesn't mention him once. Balla also pointed out that when Odin had 4 votes and July had two he switched off his vote from e00e he votes for July and not Odin


Odin:

He mentions OWB a couple times. First time he mentions him was after Obzy voted for him. He said "OWB has been missing for a long time, but considering my own personal availability issues, I'm not really in a position to say that." Next time he says he doesn't like me cause I said Jonny was town and that I was deflecting onto OWB and trying to start a train on him. Then in his posts about lurkers he says he has a null opinion.

As for Odins interactions with Poofter when someone asks him very early in Day 1 his thoughts on him is that he is almost contentless and in that little content he posts a case on Cake. Then says the content part bothers him a little but is ok with the Cake case since he also doesn't like Cake. Next time he mentions him is that he looks the worse out of the lurkers, then he votes for him and once again says he looks worst out of all the lurkers.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 05:25 GMT
#1379
On November 05 2013 14:10 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Okay first thing Vonthin: please break up your paragraphs more. Actually, if you're here, can you reformat your paragraphs (split your larger paragraphs in your cases on owb/odin into 2-4 smaller ones each) before I read them? I get a bit of a headache trying to read them atm.

Nyx... I keep telling you, please explain yourself when you do stuff. You simply don't have credibility normally. Also, I'd like if you address previous points.


Can't reformat posts since you can't edit, and not gonna repost em since it will be spam. Will try to keep it in mind in the future to split paragraphs more, at first all that was in a giant post but then I realize that would be a pain to read so I split em up into different posts and didn't think about the paragraphs much
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 05:36 GMT
#1381
Forgot about the spoilers option, now I can repost it formatted better without more giant walls of texts
+ Show Spoiler +
My case for OWB:


When I read his filter it just screams to me text book mafia blending in. Day 1 he did not do a lot. Votes for E00e and doesn't give any solid reasons why other than other people saw him as scum and that he has a bad feeling about him. Leaves the vote on him and is gone for the rest of the day.

He also doesn't talk about Poofter at all but calls out Cake for being scum when he was the main person calling out Poofter. Day 2 he doesn't do much besides call me out for lurking and sheeping which he has been doing himself. When asked for other reads he said he was just tunneling on me all day and had nothing else which looks bad since you should always have thoughts on other people if you are town since there are multiple mafia.


Doesn't talk about Poofter again and when asked for an opinion on him says his vote doesn't matter cause everyone already had their minds made up on him, another text book mafia play where you don't take a stance on something.

2 minutes before the day 2 deadline happened, Poofter realized he wasn't going to be able to defend himself anymore so he made an attempt to try to throw us off the case for the other 2 mafia remaining. He said look at the people who are saving OWB. With that he wanted us to think OWB could be town since he called him scum and wanted us to think the people who didn't vote for him scummy. He then says when he flips town look at Cake/Jonny/OWB, I think this was another statement to confuse us to not thinking OWB is scum because he is saying he is suspicious again.


As for OWB's more recent posts at the end of night 2 and start of day 3 he is still tunneling me and not giving reads on other people. He says I haven't tried to push other plays which just isn't true, I tried to push Jonny and Storr at one point in day 2 but after they gave me good responses to my accusations I didn't think they were scum anymore. Main reason why I didn't push for Poofter even though I thought he was scummy all game and said I would vote for him cause I thought OWB was a better lynch at the time since Poofter didn't post anything recently and there was a chance of a modkill which wouldve meant a wasted lynch. Once Poofter tried to defend himself and failed, I revoted for him right away.


I also do not like his day posts just now about the blues. His first post seemed like he was surprised that Jonny didn't flip blue like he was blue sniping. He then made a post saying he wondered who the blue players were, I just don't see the reason for this post unless you were scum and were hoping for someone to admit they were blue. Then makes another post saying he hopes blues make some sort of contribution to the game soon. I just don't see a reason for a blue to come out and say hey I am a cop, unless they are a cop who got 2 reads back that are positive for scum or if they were about to get lynched.I see this as another post as hoping a blue will come out so he will have an easy night kill.


+ Show Spoiler +
Current thoughts on Odin:

After the drunk posts he started to post just like he did last game. This isn't saying much cause it would be an ok tactic to post like you were town but none of his posts then didn't seem that scummy to me at the time he started posting normally. Also what if the drunk/stress posts were just an easy excuse to pardon his disruption to the game?


Looking at his reads and votes and reasoning for them seem a little off to me. He voted for July very late, his reason was that he just doesn't like his posts and will post his reasons why after the deadline but I don't think he did make that post so it sorta looks like he was just trying to fit in with the common July vote since he was already set to be lynched. His first vote on day 2 was on Jonny, saying he made disruptive posts and tried to deflect. While Jonny was being somewhat disruptive he was still bringing up good points and reads at the time imo, to me his post just seemed his was sorta mad at him for arguing with him d1 and calling him out being scum and almost getting him killed.

His next vote seems even more suspicious to me and not cause it was on me. Before he voted for me he made a post saying that he did not like my post where I said Jonny was town and OWB was scum. He says I am trying to deflect off Jonny and make a train on OWB. His reasons for not liking OWB is scum is that he is not around to defend himself and that I hesitated since I didn't put my vote in the post where I called OWB out and only voted for him when Cake asked if I thought he was scum. I honestly forgot to vote in that post, also don't see how that makes my case for OWB any weaker. Seems to me he was trying to deflect off of OWB and keep the Jonny is scum discussion going.

Then he proceeds to unvote Jonny and vote for me saying he doesn't like my posts. Why unvote for Jonny and then vote for me if he only thought I was deflecting off of Jonny and saying he was town? He never gave a reason why he unvoted Jonny, his last before before he unvoted him was saying he liked him as a Day 2 lynch.


Later on he unvotes me and Votes for poofter(4th vote on Poofter). Says he still doesn't like my posts but can chalk it up to bad town play. Still doesn't say why he doesn't like me besides that I thought I was deflecting off of Jonny and onto OWB. His reason to vote for poofter is that we had to lynch someone today and that he looks best out of the lurkers. He never actually says why he thinks Poofter looks bad other than that he is a lurker.

I think at that point since it was a long long time since Poofter posted anything and everyone was onto him and it was gonna be impossible for him to defend himself with so little time left he just threw him under the bus to make himself look better.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 05:42 GMT
#1382
On November 05 2013 14:06 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i'd like to start with Storr

##Vote: StorrZerg



Can you give us your current reasons why you don't like Storr? Don't try to start a discussion by saying id like to start with storr then vote for him and say nothing else.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 07:09 GMT
#1400
@balla

I don't see how you think Storr is better than OWB at this point, he has hardly done anything this game, when he does post its either fluff or him tunneling on me for poor reasons. Like when someone asked him for opinions besides mine he gives a bullshit excuse that he was tunneling on me to hard and didn't have time to look at other people, if you are town you should be looking at everyone since everyone could be mafia. When people asked his thoughts on Poofter he responded by not giving an opinion on him and saying that since peoples minds were made up on him so there is no real point. That just screams scum to me and I don't know how it doesn't to you.

##vote onlywonderboy
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 07:57 GMT
#1409
On November 05 2013 16:30 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
your recent posting makes me feel like you're a pair with him



This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB.

Main reason I think Storr is town is that I think OWB is def town and has a lot higher chance of being scum than Storr. A storr/OWB being scum partners just seems very unlikely to me since Storr has been one of the most vocal about him being scum after me. I also don't see why Storr would kill Jonny as it makes him look a lot worse, if he was scum I think there wouldve been better choices to kill besides Jonny last night. Besides these 2 points he I would think he would be somewhat suspicious, would be 50/50ish on him being mafia/town but after seeing how he has interacted with OWB I think he is town. I don't think he tried to defend Poofter in anyway and always brought up valid points about him before and while the Poofter is scum train was going.

Also If me and Storr were mafia, why would I be trying to defend him this much? Mafia should help defend each other by trying to prove that they are town but they should not do it in a way that's obvious and would link the two of them together which will lead to both of their deaths and make mafia lose.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 08:09 GMT
#1414
On November 05 2013 17:01 StorrZerg wrote:
@Vonthin regarding nyxnyxnyx
Show nested quote +
This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB.


this irony?

Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out...


Balla said nothing about this post?
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 09:01 GMT
#1424
On November 05 2013 17:22 StorrZerg wrote:
If you call odin scummy, odin defends NYXNYXNYX
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=52#1034

Also his day 2 preferred lynch.
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 06:58 OdinOfPergo wrote:
My prefered day 1 lynch is probably looking Vonthin or Storr. I feel about the same on both of them and Storr making a quest against Nyx really makes me dislike him even more. If he stores getting votes I'm fine with changing over to it.


As well as odins push onto Jonny
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=48#945


Also Odins thoughts on the lurkers (doesn't list tehpoofter)
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On November 04 2013 06:57 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm agains't lynching lurkers. Out of any of the lurkers if we have to lynch one I'd go for Poofter. Unless I really miss my mark Nyx is town. I think E00 looks ok for what he has said, and I'm pretty null on OWB atm.


It is quite possible the mafia trio being odin nyx tehpoofter



I just don't see OWB not being scum, he has done nothing to contribute to town with his play. I based a lot of my case on Odin off of OWB being scum plus scum killing Jonny for his reads so that one of them is mafia which excludes me and that I don't think you are mafia case of wanting to lynch OWB most of the game and that leaves Odin/Nyx/E00e. I don't think its E00e but I will look more into it. I have to get ready to go to work soon or I would write a case about Nyx and compare it to Odin's case. I get back around 8 pm est and might be able to post during my lunch break/on my phone if things are slow.


Also to clarify on the 3 voting scenarios Balla posted. All 3 tell us a lot no matter how they flip. Besides thinking OWB is more scummy than Storr wouldn't it make more sense to vote for him since If it flips mafia it helps prove mine and Storrs innocence. If we vote Storr or if you guys vote for me then It only really clears 1 other person no matter how they flip

Vonthin Lynch:

If mafia it clears OWB, but doesn't clear Storr since he has always been suspicious of me.
If town It makes OWB look even more scummy

OWB Lynch:

If mafia it helps mine and Storrs case a lot for being town
If scum it makes both me and him look a lot worse.


Storr Lynch:

If mafia it doesn't clear Storr since he hasn't said anything about him. Makes me look really bad.
If town then I look innocent and doesn't do anything for OWB


It just seems like town has a lot more to gain if we lynch OWB over me or Storr since it 2 people either look scummy or town
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 09:03 GMT
#1425
edit by posting: for the storr lynch logic I meant it doesnt clear OWB
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 05 2013 09:29 GMT
#1426
another error:

I said
OWB Lynch:

If mafia it helps mine and Storrs case a lot for being town
If scum it makes both me and him look a lot worse.



I meant to say if town and not if scum.


Anyways I finished getting ready so I'm leaving now, will be home around 8:20pm est
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 06 2013 19:37 GMT
#1569
Still think OWB is the best vote at this point, still looks the scumiest to me, his defense post was horrible and gave nothing besides I feels like its either storr or me and then votes storr, also I still think the vote tells the town the most information no matter how it flips though I don't think it will flip town, I feel if he was town he would be try to defending himself a lot more than this and try to give actual reads on people to help the town when he does end up dying.


Not really sure on 3rd mafia, Odin looked somewhat suspicious with his posting towards OWB and Poofter but other than that he seemed sorta town(though a lot of his reads were townies but had good reasoning for some). If OWB isn't mafia(I just don't see his happening though) then I think Odin is in the clear(and storr would prob be mafia) but the pairing does make sense to me when OWB flips mafia. E00e and Nyx seems less likely than Odin as 3rd but still possibilities. I still think Balla/Cake def town and I don't see Storr working with OWB.



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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 06 2013 23:37 GMT
#1578
Think OWB is to smart to post anything at this point, the more he says the more we get out of finding who the third scum is, if he was town he def would've started his defense and said who he thought was scummy when he posted earlier today.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 07 2013 01:07 GMT
#1582
gj guys 1 more to go
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