EPTyeah I can go into more detail on E00e scummy and Balla town soon
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Vonthin
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yeah I can go into more detail on E00e scummy and Balla town soon | ||
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On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote: @Vonthin What the fuck are you talking about? I said july was a bad lynch when he had 3 votes and odin had ONE. I said that the entirety of the lynching process. I said he was maybe the third best option we had at one point and changed my mind from even that before he was lynched. @obzy You didn't like my comment that Odin was our best lynch even if he was town because he doesn't contribute. There's a 25% chance we lynch scum day 1. On july I felt it was closer to 10% chance and on Odin closer to 50%. July's play made no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't know what you're missing here. @Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this. Honestly, I'm getting tired of everyone here. No one makes an analytic read of the voting process at all. Do you guys even try to win? I gave some people in this thread of the benefit of the doubt. But, apparently I'm dumb enough to snipe someone who's calling me out. Oh well, I'm gonna read the filters and compare times. I'll post more later. By the way, Obzy you're awful at this game. You are right my bad, I missed the post about you saying his posts were erratic and not sure on voting for him, the second one I see was when he had 6 so thats where I got my theory of. I still don't like your early case on Odin. But yeah after seeing that post and with what I said and what you said about killing someone who was majorly calling you out is making me think you are town, still somewhat suspicious but not as sure as before. | ||
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1.Jonny - Honestly not sure anymore, I don't see why he would kill Van if he was mafia as it would put him in the spotlight. I don't like his early cases on Odin, after the drunk posts I think he posting exactly the same as last game where he was town. 2. OWB- His filter is just as small as mine but I feel like he hasn't contributed much in those posts and is just trying to blend in. He started out posting just about meta stuff and how lurkers need to post stuff. He kept this up till someone called him out on it. The post right after said he would start posting reads and stuff and he did but they were reads that were either common opinions like how Nyx is prob town since he posting exactly the same as last game and then the popular Cake is scum read at the time. His third read in that post was about July, wasn't saying he was scum but was saying he is playing different than last game and we should watch his posts. Talks about lurkers need to post, which is always a valid thing but they know they need to post more(well I know I need to post more and hope others know that to, also find it funny since he is also a lurker who has posted just as much as me). He posts some reads again about how Storr hasn't done much and then he says his main scum read is on E00e, I thought he was somewhat suspicious at the time but he doesn't really give a reason why he is voting for him other than that he looks suspicious and doesn't think he is town. After that he says he has to go and won't be back before the deadline. He leaves his vote on E00e but doesn't say why he is voting for him and in the earlier post where he thinks e00e is scum he doesn't give any good reason other than he looks suspicious. That just seems really scummy to me leaving a vote on someone and not giving clear explanations why. He comes back and responds after being called out by Balla about leaving the vote on E00e. He says he didn't want to not vote and felt e00e was a safe vote, never says any reason why it was a safe vote again, when someone asks him about that he says he gave his reasons on e00e in that earlier post. In that earlier post all he says he feels like its a good vote because he under suspicion and that he hasn't done anything to make me feel like he is town. I just can't accept this as a answer for leaving a vote on someone. His last post was calling me out, I deserved to be called out at that point since I didn't post that much and a lot of my reads were sheeps. I just find that its funny he called me out on that when he has hardly put any reads out there too and the reason he voted for E00e was just cause he was under suspicion at the time and doesn't seem town. That looks like a sheep read to me. 3. Balla - As for Storr's request as for why I think he is town all game I thought he brought up good questions and pressure on people. I have agreed on almost all of his reads all game too. None of his posts have just seem scummy to me. Will post my e00e and some other thoughts later, gotta do some ranked 5s with my team and practice for a lan in a couple of days | ||
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##Vote onlywonderboy | ||
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What do you think about my vote on OWB Also my team only wanted to play 1 ranked 5s game so I'm here now and starting to write my thoughts on the people I didn't list in my earlier post. | ||
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On November 02 2013 13:03 Balla24 wrote: @Vonthin: Sorry but your case isn't that great~~ All you do is summarize what he did.. We can already see that, where's the analysis? Why is he doing what he's doing? How does it fit with his earlier play.. I think he is trying to blend in, hasn't had any good reads and hasn't done much besides talk about meta and calling out lurkers when he is a lurker himself | ||
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I didn't like a lot of his posts at the start, a lot of them just seemed to be lacking and didn't say much like I think July and Jonnys posts are inconsistent but doesn't say why. After Vanesco and myself thought he might be scum he started explaining himself and responded to accusations a lot better. Like he made a post where he says Odin looks scummy to him and gave the reasoning that he looks a little nervous in his posts and he has some posts that are useless and distracting. His more recent posts has good reasoning behind how he didn't think Jonny was mafia. Some of the things that I don't like about his posts was the post he made about how he was suspicious of Vanesco and how he hasn't written about me and thought we might be scum off of a feeling he has, doesn't give any reasoning at all other than a feeling.I didn't like when me and Vanesco and poofter had votes for him he like gave up. He made posts where he says things like "if only my opinion mattered" and then saying that he feels like he is going to get lynched when he had 3 votes on him and then when he voted for Odin he was like I don't feel like my vote is important. If you are town I don't think you should just give up like that and should just keep posting who you think is scum and what not cause It will help show who is scum if you do get lynched and flip town. I think Storr might be scum, his filter feels somewhat like OWB to me. He has barely done any reads at all. All he is doing is trying to lead town and blending in. He was the very first person to vote for July, he voted for him as a pressure vote to get him to post since he didn't post yet but never took it off after July started posting which I don't see why cause July didn't seem that scummy at that point. Besides that all he really does is try to lead town but never does any reads or scum hunting himself. | ||
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On November 02 2013 14:32 cakemanofdoom wrote: Somewhat minor thing Vonthin, I would have preferred to see that big paragraph broken up into smaller ones. and all those posts that you say make you feel better about E00e come before your list calling him scum. What's up with that? At the time of the list you didn't say 50/50 or anything, you call him scum. He has made zero posts since then and now you call him 50/50? I honestly didn't look at his filter that closely till I made that list, was just going off a quick glance of his filter and my earlier reads when I made that list. After completely rereading his filter while making that indepth post I felt he seemed like he could be town | ||
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Can you tell me what you think about the rest of my post about you? And also tell me you you think is currently scum? You haven't done much recently and your last 2 posts I don't think help your case to much. | ||
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I think Storr might be scum, his filter feels somewhat like OWB to me. He has barely done any reads at all. All he is doing is trying to lead town and blending in. He was the very first person to vote for July, he voted for him as a pressure vote to get him to post since he didn't post yet but never took it off after July started posting which I don't see why cause July didn't seem that scummy at that point. Besides that all he really does is try to lead town but never does any reads or scum hunting himself. Balla said this For the second reason: I feel like the mafia leader is someone who is VERY comfortable being in an active town. It's not affecting the mafia team as much as I'd like... this leads me to believe StorrZerg is among the mafia team. IMO, he has the most experience, he often plays in person/on video which is super active and you have to think fast as mafia. I was expecting a LOT more from StorrZerg as a town player... but he's been very VERY underwhelming and is instead choosing to lurk heavily... he's not mentioning a LOT of players and is constantly questioning Jonny and I.. I also think that he will be less experienced with the roleblocker role, although this might be completely false, but the show he plays on and the crowd he plays with generally never use the roleblocker role. Notice how he puts light pressure on me at the beginning of day2, right after I've been roleblocked as if he's trying to hint that i'm not town when generally being roleblocked (with no claims) is a surefire way of confirming a townie. Cake said this I agree that Storr doesn't look very good atm. I don't know quite what to think about the comfort with activity argument because I've never read anything like it before, but Storr really hasn't been posting opinions on a lot of people. Even now, he's had far more posts talking about how town should be acting than about who he thinks is scum. Since his reads on me and July he's only talked about Nyx. I feel like if he actually wanted something town-favored done, he could have been finding scum rather than just directing town around. | ||
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On November 03 2013 04:02 E00e wrote: @Vonthin The first part of your post is just factual from your point of view. So the things that is left is that I use my feelings more than reasoning in accusations. This is correct. I have a hard time finding evidence but I do get scummy feelings about other players. I should try to find out why exactly I get these feelings but it is not easy. This still isn't helping much in your case of being town, you haven't had many scum reads in a long time that weren't just feelings and had any good questions to people about being scum, you really need to start being useful and post stuff instead of saying I need to try to find out why I get these feelings. | ||
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1, Why didn't you take your pressure vote off July after he started to post, he didn't look scummy or at least scummy enough to keep the vote on him. I don't blame anyone for voting July but it just seems weird to me you voted for him before he even posted to get posting, and then when he did start posting you didn't take it off. 2. Who else do you think might be scum besides Nyx? At the moment I see you wanting to lynch Nyx as a mafia going after the weakest member of the flock. You said in the past you would work on posting more reads but you never really got around to scum hunting besides Nyx just now | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:07 JonnyLaw wrote: That's the thing. I'm not pressuring anything with that question. I'm just curious why? So if we know there's a mafia roleblocker then we learned that we have at least one blue player. That's all as far as I can see. At the same time it builds credibility for him and if there is no mafia roleblocker it's a very safe mafia play. That's my only point. I'm not accusing balla of anything but why blindly accept anyone as a town player who is not obzy? I don't understand, we can have more than 1 blue player if there is a mafia RB. You still get the message that you got RB if you are Vanilla town. I agree with that fact that we shouldn't blindly accept someone as town unless if they are IC but so far he hasn't done anything yet to make me think he is mafia | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:12 StorrZerg wrote: For now i'd lynch nyx, owb and i have far more people leaning town, who i wouldn't be interested in lynching today obzy balla jonny odin Vonthin tehpoofter null on cake E00e i don't think i missed anyone.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=39#777 Way to contradict yourself about basic lists about who is mafia/town, can you give more reasoning behind this list pls | ||
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