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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:03 GMT
#681
Or what I thought originally, BH
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 02 2013 22:05 GMT
#682
I think he's a bit too passive to be BH
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 02 2013 22:06 GMT
#683
I think Laughing Jack actually has a chance to be Palmar lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 02 2013 22:06 GMT
#684
Asinine maybe WoS?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:07 GMT
#685
I don't think WoS is funny though
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:07 GMT
#686
Why do you insist someone has to be palmar lol
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 22:08 GMT
#687
Fwiw, I compared LaughingJack's timestamps with Rayn's from other games. LaughingJack is not Rayn (judging by some of the times), but LJ is in the euro timezone.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:09 GMT
#688
Alright keep at it team
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 02 2013 22:09 GMT
#689
He did mention WBG and I don't remember any player with an attitude like that so Palmar trolling makes some sense!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 02 2013 22:11 GMT
#690
Nah I just skimmed through his filter its not him. I'm disappointed
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 02 2013 22:12 GMT
#691
Persons of Interest:
Tehpoofter
Laughing Jack
Bereft
Oatsmaster
OdinOfPergo
Stutters695

Laughing Jack:
I have a few particular issues with his filter.
On November 01 2013 01:24 Laughing Jack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 23:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2013 23:19 Laughing Jack wrote:
I think we should be one Jarjar less at the end of this day.
##Vote: JarjarDrinks

care to elaborate?

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 22:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey all. First off I'll add my name to the very much against random lynching list for the exact reasons Oats posted.

Also, I'm suspicious of the people pushing for it. Most notably hzflank because he only said he was for it after people brought it up. Like, even though it's only a 30% chance, if I'm scum and someone talks about random lynching my first thought is probably something like "Oh god, what if one of us gets chosen? There'd be nothing we could do." So he makes his post saying he'd be for a RNG lynch to show everyone that he's not afraid of it. Even going as far as saying
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
I would think my chances of actually identifying scum on day one are less than 31%, therefore RNG would yield better results for me. Ofcourse, We would need to decide on who rolls the dice. How should we do that? I suggest we vote on it.
How in the world could his odds actually be worse than random? Even if he had no scumhunting skill whatsoever, it would be @ worst equal to random.


Jarjar doesn't bring up anything new but just says he's against randomlynching, However most of the post is just fluff about what rng-lynching is to make it seem like his saying more then "Yeah I agree". And it's very certainly fluff because he doesn't reach a conclusion with it. It's scummy to try to make yourself look more townie then you are.

His hzflank vote is really weak. He says he wants to lynch hzflank for being one of the rng-supporters but provides no reasoning other then that others seemed to lynch him. It's a very un-townie park-vote.

He's still not contributing but just talking about rng-lynching trying to make supporters look scummy for supporting it.

This is a post that basically establishes that Laughing Jack doesn't like JJD.

See bold.
How is it scummy to try and look more townie? This statement is just blatantly false. The rest of his reasoning is okay, imo. LJ is fishing for reasons to vote for JJD. Hard to say at this point as to whether this is coming from a town or scum perspective.

The rest of his filter is basically LJ insulting people for accusing him of anything. Posts like these are designed to make people angry post irrationally. Not very conducive to a town environment.
On November 01 2013 19:46 Laughing Jack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 19:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I'm ok with getting rid of Laughing Jack.

This might be difficult for you but try to use your head.
I'd love to hear what kind of backwards logic makes you want to lynch me.


However, LJ does have quite a few posts where he voluntarily pressures people. A type of playstyle that scum are not very adept at mimicking. There are posts where he is initiating conversations. This point is critical. In general, scum want to diffuse conversations, not initiate them. Here a few posts in which LJ does this:

On November 01 2013 03:28 Laughing Jack wrote:
Bereft while your vote on the lurker is most admirable I don't really care about it, and you're floating around without any real opinions so would you mind sharing any of your current scumreads?

On November 01 2013 16:12 Laughing Jack wrote:
Your sacrifice is noted,
What do you two think about the current votes?

On November 01 2013 16:18 Laughing Jack wrote:
No, Are you happy with them? Do you think anyone's vote suck, do you think my vote suck? How would you like the votes to be, who do you want pressured?, is Pandain really your top scumread? Plenty to talk about.

These types of posts are usually indicative of a town mentality, but not always.

Then, you have the vote on hzflank.
On November 02 2013 07:57 Laughing Jack wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: hzflank

This doesn't make much sense when you compare it to the rest of his filter.
Sequence of Events: LJ was intially arguing for a JJD lynch and then slowly grew to favor an Oatsmaster lynch. the transition here, while not obvious, is understandable considering their heated exchange.

However, the transition from thinking Oats was scum to thinking hzflank is scum is completely untraceable. He is a post he made during the latter half of Day 1.
On November 01 2013 22:17 Laughing Jack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 21:02 Laughing Jack wrote:
On November 01 2013 20:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Grack, none of those reasons make Jack scum, they may make him an asshole and bad but not SCUM. You have to say why he is scum because he does all these things.

Jack, can you elaborate on your Hzflank read cause I think he is leaning town for me.

I picked him because his flip would generate most information and discussion.
I'm interested why you have a green read on him.

To elaborate.
hzflank hasn't done enough to make me lean town or scum on him. Early on cases are generally weak and when the majority of the players gives very little to go on it's better to lynch the person who will give us most information going into day2.

LJ has established that hzflank is basically a null read. For some reason, he wishes to vote him over his scum read Oatsmaster because hzflank is more active. This type of logic is terrible. Considering that he never returned to the thread until post-flip, it is clear that he is hiding something.

Although he started off Day 1 kinda-sorta townie, the flip incriminates him heavily.
Advice: Lynch with fire.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:14 GMT
#692
Yeah these posts unfortunately are just confirming that I think Asinine is scum
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 02 2013 22:15 GMT
#693
I will not be giving out my TL ID until I flip. Sorry broskis.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
November 02 2013 22:15 GMT
#694
Hopeless1der will be replacing hermeane.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 02 2013 22:17 GMT
#695
On November 03 2013 07:02 Pandain wrote:
Don't you think mafia would, as a whole, take a backwards stance to this. Ideally just step back from the conflict? After all, I was the one who had to lead a counter lynch to lynch fuba. Scum don't want to be defending him, nor do they want to be prosecuting him. It would all be indirect. Biggest reasoning as to why me and Grack are town.

i think whether they choose to prosecute him really depends on how they're evaluating risk/reward in the scenario. obviously as you and grack were the ones that put hard pressure where none previously existed you are town, unless that was some fucking brilliant play. but to the voters who followed you, no, i don't see avoiding the conflict entirely as the obvious overarching mafia strategy here.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:17 GMT
#696
On November 03 2013 07:17 Bereft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 07:02 Pandain wrote:
Don't you think mafia would, as a whole, take a backwards stance to this. Ideally just step back from the conflict? After all, I was the one who had to lead a counter lynch to lynch fuba. Scum don't want to be defending him, nor do they want to be prosecuting him. It would all be indirect. Biggest reasoning as to why me and Grack are town.

i think whether they choose to prosecute him really depends on how they're evaluating risk/reward in the scenario. obviously as you and grack were the ones that put hard pressure where none previously existed you are town, unless that was some fucking brilliant play. but to the voters who followed you, no, i don't see avoiding the conflict entirely as the obvious overarching mafia strategy here.


Do you agree JarJar is town for being the fourth to follow and therefore really pushing him into the limelight?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:19 GMT
#697
By the way if mafia shoots Grack I'll find your house and kill you
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 22:19 GMT
#698
On November 03 2013 07:19 Pandain wrote:
By the way if mafia shoots Grack I'll find your house and kill you

not really but in feeling I will die
Asinine
Profile Joined October 2013
Qatar66 Posts
November 02 2013 22:19 GMT
#699
I'll be leaving the thread for about a half-hour. I'll post the rest of my reads after that.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 02 2013 22:22 GMT
#700
asinine, what's with the self-sacrificial post volunteering to get vig'ed??

if you are town as you say and you are vig'ed, assuming no doctor saves, we now have 2 instead of 3 mislynches:

On November 03 2013 05:17 Pandain wrote:
9-3 DAY 2 STARTS
8-3 MISLYNCH
7-3 DAY 3 STARTS
6-3 MISLYNCH
5-3 DAY 4 STARTS
4-3 MISLYNCH

So we have at least three more lynches, unless a vig shoots a town. Last lynch will of course be trickiest if we don't lynch scum.



8-3 DAY 2 STARTS
7-3 MISLYNCH
6-3 DAY 3 STARTS
5-3 MISLYNCH
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