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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2013 18:20 GMT
#621
I'll think about it but I can kind of understand it from a townie POV as well. He had a scum read on hzflank and viewed fuba as null and then a last second bandwagon showed up seemingly out of nowhere.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2013 18:26 GMT
#622
On November 03 2013 03:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a scum point though. Surely scum as well would know after the flip that Stutters helped lynch scum.

Oats is being weirdly helpful in a lot of his posts this game and he's not spending much time trying to figure out the game.
All I see in his filter is a town read on hzflank for being confident. (which also could have been equally applied to JJD) A scum read on JJD for caring about whether others agreed with his lynch. A scum read on me for defending JJD. And him wanting to lynch Pandain for lurking.

Maybe I'll check out some meta.

Ill try to be less helpful.

Do you think Pandain is more likely to lurk as scum or as town?

I don't think Pandain would completely screw over his teammates as scum. I could see pandain being "busy" and doing little scumhunting as scum, but this Pandain had done nothing and was putting a target on his back.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 18:28 GMT
#623
If Pandain were scum then he would just have voted for me, or at least not pushed so hard to save me. Remember that when Pandain voted for mkfuba, Pandain actually had the most votes. And he could not rely on the full scum team to support him because at least mkfuba was afk (with his vote parked on me). Worry about Pandain later perhaps, but not in the short term.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 18:29 GMT
#624
In regards to day one bussing: due to the white flag setup you may as well wait until we see more flips. If there was a bus then there would of been more than one scum in on it (a solo scum with a lot of town cred cannot win this game).
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 18:34 GMT
#625
So on the rare occasions when I am not being an asshole, and if I try really really hard, I guess I can see a town perspective from which Asinine's post could come from. There is also the actions vs words thing though. Talk is cheap, but when you vote for the guy with 3 pages instead of the guy with 3 posts, you better think that the guy with 3 posts is town. If Asinine thought that mkfuba was town and that I was scum then their vote is fine. As it stands his vote was actually anti-town.

That applies to Mig too.

Ofcourse you can consider that perhaps they are players who rely more on their ability to read people than on any strategy, but a D1 anti-town vote is still a black mark.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#626
The problem is bus reasons were pretty crappy to defend asinine. His reasons for you were bordering okay but again scum can be reasonable. I don't like how all his posts are to save Fuba and then he just gives up when it became obvious
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#627
His*
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 18:45 GMT
#628
*defend fuba
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 18:51 GMT
#629
On November 02 2013 19:40 Laughing Jack wrote:
I voted hzflank over fuba because of all the lurkers coming back and bandwagoning fuba felt really strange and scum-driven. I really did not expect mkfuba to flip scum after seeing that. I'm glad he did though.


You went from:

Wanting to lynch me for information, to
Wanting to lynch a lurker, to the above.

At the time of your vote there were four people on mkfuba: myself, Pandain, Grack and Odin.

Obviously Grack and myself were not lurkers, so the bandwagoning lurkers that you refer to must be Pandain and Odin.

At that time, there were three votes on me (Mkfuba, Asinine and Mig) and three votes on Pandain (Bereft, Oats and JJD).

Now, if you wanted to lynch a lurker and you thought that Pandain's vote was scum-driven, why did you vote for me as opposed to Pandain?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 19:05 GMT
#630
On November 03 2013 03:44 Pandain wrote:
The problem is bus reasons were pretty crappy to defend asinine. His reasons for you were bordering okay but again scum can be reasonable. I don't like how all his posts are to save Fuba and then he just gives up when it became obvious


I think it was fair to say that he was hard-(directly) defending Fuba rather than directly attacking me. I have seen town hard-defend other town day one, so I am sure that town can accidentally hard-defend scum on day one, but for a lurker? Asinine did not even think that Fuba was town. To put it very simply:

Asinine hard-defended a lurker who he thought was scum. That is anti-town play.

Is there anyone here who would honestly do that as town?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 19:16 GMT
#631
Asinine posted this at the same time that Odin voted for fuba. It is reasonable to think that Asinine did not see Odin's vote before he posted this.

On November 02 2013 07:17 Asinine wrote:
I'm still unimpressed with hzflank. His filter reeks of careful posturing which is reminiscent of standard scum play. Pursuing hzflank directly isn't netting immediate results because his posting is so meticulously crafted. However, I'll be leaving my vote on him if I cannot find any more convincing candidates.

I'll filter a few other players. Be back soon.


Why is it important as to whether or not he saw Odin's vote before he posted?

Asinine was casual in that post. He wanted to lynch me but he was also going to look for other candidates. Almost nothing happened in the thread for the next 32 minutes. Then Asinine makes his next post, which is his detailed case in defence of mkfuba.

What happened to make Asinine go from being casual and looking into other people to writing up a case in defence of mkfuba? Well it has to be Odin's vote.

So maybe you think: well Asinine really wanted hzflank to be lynched, so Odin's vote spooked him?...Nope. Before Odin voted Pandain was set to be lynched. So why did Odin's vote spook Asinine?

In my opinion it is because Asinine is scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 19:24 GMT
#632
Jack, who is scum?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 19:40 GMT
#633
Odin, your reads please?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 19:49 GMT
#634
I like Jack.

On October 31 2013 23:19 Laughing Jack wrote:
I think we should be one Jarjar less at the end of this day.
##Vote: JarjarDrinks


Very bold and draws suspicions to himself. Don't think most scum would do this though it isn't out of the question. I thought it was a joke post but later he defends himself, which leads me to think he's town in that he literally doesn't give a fuck(at the time) about explaining his read further.


I actually do like how he stopped the Grack-Oats debate even though I thought it was scummy at the time. Looking at it nothing came of it, and nothing probably would have.

On November 01 2013 17:52 Laughing Jack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 01 2013 17:41 Laughing Jack wrote:
On November 01 2013 16:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 01 2013 16:18 Laughing Jack wrote:
No, Are you happy with them? Do you think anyone's vote suck, do you think my vote suck? How would you like the votes to be, who do you want pressured?, is Pandain really your top scumread? Plenty to talk about.

I don't really like your vote and I think you should vote Oats, who is coincidentally my top scum read. It's all in the filter.

I wanted you to answer the questions that wasn't in your filter, the others were examples. Sorry I expected you to figure that out by yourself, should I assume you didn't because you're lazy or because you genuinely didn't figure it out?

Can you get back to me on the other topics. Like if you had the power to select three people that everyone had to vote between, who would you pick?

On November 01 2013 16:30 Pandain wrote:
On November 01 2013 16:18 Laughing Jack wrote:
No, Are you happy with them? Do you think anyone's vote suck, do you think my vote suck? How would you like the votes to be, who do you want pressured?, is Pandain really your top scumread? Plenty to talk about.

Why don't you contribute

I am contributing, I just shut down something that could had become ten or more pages of nothing concrete, you're welcome.
And the very post you're commenting on is trying to generate discussion. You on the other hand. Your biggest impact on this game have been getting randomly generated to be lynched.

And I'm starting to think Oats will be a good lynch for today.

Oatsmaster/OdinofPergo/Laughing Jack

Cool, and why would you want to see them spotlighted over others?
I think Odin is a terrible pick really. Since he's not been around, why did you pick him?

I love how he says Odin is a terrible pick because he hasn't posted yet.


He's been putting a whole bunch of effort into the game two, which makes me think he's town.

And finally, even though it's suspicious
On November 02 2013 07:57 Laughing Jack wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: hzflank


It's still ballsy to do as scum.

Basically do not lynch tomorrow.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 20:04 GMT
#635
If I had to guess, it would be Asinine and the replacement.

The rest of the players don't seem that scummy. Although there are some like Oats who I can't read.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 02 2013 20:05 GMT
#636
We need 3 scummers Pandain.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 20:06 GMT
#637
Has anyone played with Mig before? Know his playstyle.

He says he's played with me before but I don't remember him at all
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 20:08 GMT
#638
Oh what wow.
That changes everything.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
November 02 2013 20:08 GMT
#639
I think Asinine is really bad,
I don't really like Bereft either.
Pandain looks pretty good to me so far.
I'm not sold on Jack one way or the other but I'd buy poor townie play more than scum.
I'll go into analysis in a while since I've been neglecting this game other than keeping up with the thread.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 02 2013 20:12 GMT
#640
On November 03 2013 05:08 Pandain wrote:
Oh what wow.
That changes everything.


Also do not forget the white flag mechanic.

I would avoid thinking too much about the replacement at the moment. There is nothing we can do about that yet.
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