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I was going to make a long post, but ultimately here it is, spam free.
Asinine has come out of day one being by far the most objective scummy person. Not only in that he defended fuba, but how he did. He came out of nowhere to make a huge post + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2013 07:49 Asinine wrote:Why I do not like the fuba case:Reason #1This is the first post that brings up fuba in any regard: Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 09:51 hzflank wrote:This seems to have flown under the radar: On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
the apparent inconsistency in his position is the most concerning thing to me, though I'm not even sure there is one.
You say that you are not sure whether the most concerning thing actually exists. On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
I agree with jjd that he appears to be supporting it in one post, then the next one appears to be agreeing with the first. However, I guess it could be interpreted the way hzflank says he meant it, so overall that just makes me lean slight scum on him.
Altogether, I feel pretty confident with a vote on hzflank.
You feel pretty confident with a vote on someone that you only lean slightly scum on. I would say that you decided on where to park your vote before you decided on the reasons for it. ##vote: mkfuba07 In sum, hzflank is saying 1) Fuba has a slight scum read on hzflank but... 2) is very confident in voting him Therefore, this disconnect makes fuba scum. However, this accusation is cherry-picking information from fuba's post! Fuba's post: Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:On November 01 2013 02:30 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you think of hzflank Fuba? Actually, I think I'm going to vote for him. He's talked quite a bit, but always ends with a noncommittal statement. He kind of narrates the thread, but doesn't give a conclusion.As far as his involvement in the rng debate, the apparent inconsistency in his position is the most concerning thing to me, though I'm not even sure there is one. I think rng-ing would be bad play, so advocating for it or opposing it are pretty null. I agree with jjd that he appears to be supporting it in one post, then the next one appears to be agreeing with the first. However, I guess it could be interpreted the way hzflank says he meant it, so overall that just makes me lean slight scum on him. Altogether, I feel pretty confident with a vote on hzflank. ##Vote: hzflank See: boldhzflank conveniently left out the part where fuba substantiates his read on hzflank. The bolded quote should be reason enough for a townie to vote a scum read. Ultimately, the vote is justified by that bolded statement. When you see the quote in its full context, the part about RNG is clearly mentioned as an aside, not as a primary argument.
Reason #2:The other people voting for fuba do not make any compelling arguments. Pandain is the only one who brought up actual evidence, but only did so after he had voted for fuba. In essence, Pandain did exactly what hzflank is accusing fuba of doing. He voted a slight scum read and then expressed his overt confidence in that read later on. If hzflank was consistent in his reasoning, he would be voting Pandain right now(or at the very least pressuring him). Grack seems to be buddying Pandain and vice-versa. So far, I have not seen a single useful post out of him. Odin sounds like he hasn't completely caught up to the thread. Again, a vote with no real reasoning.
Reason #3:The votes have piled up far too quickly for my liking. Not much to go into here.
I don't like any of the people voting fuba and I don't like the reasons they gave for voting fuba.
On November 02 2013 08:50 Asinine wrote:
Alright. I hope we can lynch hz tomorrow. Time to wait for flip!
On November 02 2013 08:51 Asinine wrote:
That Stutters vote is soooo suspicious if fuba flips town. Let's not forget that post.
On November 02 2013 08:57 Asinine wrote:
On November 02 2013 09:01 Asinine wrote:
Where is the night post!!!!
Which is weird not only in that he accepts the lynch, but he changed his entire demeanor. Before he was all cool and tactical, but after the lynch was in Fuba's favor he became one-liner esque and "towny". Totally off-putting.
On November 02 2013 09:03 Asinine wrote:
I want to lynch Stutters tomorrow. I'm putting hzflank on the backburner until we lynch this guy.
Horrible as well.
On November 02 2013 09:12 Asinine wrote:
Oh right, Stutters unvoted as well as voted. Fair enough. I still think he should be looked into, along with tehpoofter,
Posting without actual thinking = scum bullshit?
He could be town but he's too scummy to ignore tbh.
A vig should shoot him ideally
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The problem is that every game I've played in we've always said "vig's, shoot this person!"
And it has never happened
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Same, you can never trust a man who carries a gun but forgets to bring ammo.
I am too tired to pay Jack the attention that he deserves, so we will converse tomorrow.
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Because vig's are in less than 10% of the games lol Pandain.
yeah tmr we lynch out of the dudes who voted for hzflank/other dudes not fuba.
And asinine's really bad defence and the fact that he barely even pushed other people, just defended fuba means that hes my no1 target!
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fwiw (which i know is not much) i had no intention of actually leaving my vote on pandain - thought i'd have time to come back before the deadline  . am aware of what a total cop out afk vote it looks like and i understand the suspicion.
right now, asinine and laughing jack are my top 2 lynch candidates for tomorrow.
re: asinine
while i don't find it scummy that he would push for hz over fuba (since that's actually in line with his main read for the entirety of day 1), he defends fuba instead of going on the offense on hz. i.e. he doesn't advocate why hz is a more solid lynch candidate or why hz is more probable scum. his long post mainly articulates why he doesn't like how quickly votes are piling on without a good case, which as a stand alone might be fair, but then it's followed up with this:
On November 02 2013 08:05 Asinine wrote:
I would also like to clarify that I'm not saying fuba is town. I'm saying all the cases that have been presented to me regarding fuba are either weak(Pandain) or malevolent cherry-picking(hzflank).
to me this implies he thinks fuba might be scum -- which then makes it weird that he was not at all open to fuba as a lynch candidate for consideration. the one thing that gives me pause is why he would fight so hard to defend an absent scum buddy. seems incredibly ballsy.
re: laughing jack
i don't quite buy his #idgaf attitude. if he were a newbie, sure. as a smurf vet - i don't think it'd be at all hard to feign. he initially says he has no read on hz but would want to vote hz since hz's flip would reveal the most information. but he doesn't change his vote and before he disappears appears to change his stance from lynch candidate of "active townie with many interactions" to "a more-than-1-liner lurker".
On November 02 2013 04:04 Laughing Jack wrote:
I took a break from the thread and I'll be unexpectedly going to a party tonight, I'll try to find some corner and read up on the thread and vote later tonight. I probably want to lynch into the first three quarters of of the day lurkers, but not 1-posters.
fuba would be much more fitting of this description than hz. but then he comes back and votes hz right as the 07 train is gaining steam and pulling out of the station.
i'm crashing now, but it's finally the weekend so i'll be around tomorrow.
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I voted hzflank over fuba because of all the lurkers coming back and bandwagoning fuba felt really strange and scum-driven. I really did not expect mkfuba to flip scum after seeing that. I'm glad he did though.
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Anyone who has any common sense whatsoever should realize pretty easily that I am town. I put legitimate effort into scum hunting all of yesterday, before I had to leave.
Oats/Asinine/Bereft seem like the best targets for tomorrow.
Oats why did you disappear for so long from the thread? Would you have left your vote on Pandain if you had been around the thread near lynch?
It could be a coincidence but looking pretty shady that the 2 guys who voted pandain (bereft/oats) didn't really push for him at all then both went afk from the thread and didn't have to defend their votes or evaluate what was going on.
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On November 03 2013 02:14 Mig wrote:
Anyone who has any common sense whatsoever should realize pretty easily that I am town. I put legitimate effort into scum hunting all of yesterday, before I had to leave.
Oats/Asinine/Bereft seem like the best targets for tomorrow.
Oats why did you disappear for so long from the thread? Would you have left your vote on Pandain if you had been around the thread near lynch?
It could be a coincidence but looking pretty shady that the 2 guys who voted pandain (bereft/oats) didn't really push for him at all then both went afk from the thread and didn't have to defend their votes or evaluate what was going on.
I went to sleep and then went to do stuff. Weekends are bad for me. I cannot be around during deadline.
Nah I wouldnt have voted for mkfuba or Hzflank so Pandain yea.
Tmr we definetely lynch Asinine.
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Can you give us some thoughts on the other people not voting fuba oats?
Bereft/Mig/Laughing Jack - which of those guys do you think are suspicious?
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ALL OF THEM ARE SUSPICIOUS.
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Who is most suspicious of that group and who is least suspicious? GRACK DEMANDS A RANKING
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OATSMASTER ACCEEDS TO YOUR REQUEST.
Laughing Jack
Bereft
Mig
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I don't think bereft is that suspicious now like I said advocating random lynch can be scary to do
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GRACK DEMANDS FURTHER EXPLANATION!
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I'm not quite as convinced on Asanine.
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I don't like how he just gave up, his demeanor change, and his brashness to try to cast suspicion on others immediately following lynch
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I also don't like he gave Fuba a null read. He seemed to change his stance on Fuba several times
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I'm not sure if it's a scum point though. Surely scum as well would know after the flip that Stutters helped lynch scum.
Oats is being weirdly helpful in a lot of his posts this game and he's not spending much time trying to figure out the game.
All I see in his filter is a town read on hzflank for being confident. (which also could have been equally applied to JJD) A scum read on JJD for caring about whether others agreed with his lynch. A scum read on me for defending JJD. And him wanting to lynch Pandain for lurking.
Maybe I'll check out some meta.
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OATS IS GOING TO SLEEP AND IS BACK AFTER OATS WAKES UP.
Some stuff is that Laughing Jack has just poked in and out with questions and I dont recall a sustained push on anyone just like a few reads scattered here and there. Blendy.
Bereft hasnt posted much of anything so lurker but depending on what she posts, I could totally be up to lynch her. Lets see.
So Mig is like the counter Laughing Jack. He does ask questions again, but there is a sustained push on Hzflank in there. And did Hzflank bus? Maybe actually now that I think about it.
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On November 03 2013 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a scum point though. Surely scum as well would know after the flip that Stutters helped lynch scum.
Oats is being weirdly helpful in a lot of his posts this game and he's not spending much time trying to figure out the game.
All I see in his filter is a town read on hzflank for being confident. (which also could have been equally applied to JJD) A scum read on JJD for caring about whether others agreed with his lynch. A scum read on me for defending JJD. And him wanting to lynch Pandain for lurking.
Maybe I'll check out some meta.
Ill try to be less helpful.
Do you think Pandain is more likely to lurk as scum or as town?
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