"##" Mafia

On October 28 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Incinerate: Koshi

lol i just had to do it. :D

On October 28 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wtf is this reasoning?

On October 28 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai guise. I miss being mafia (or even 3P).
My power is boring and semi-useless.
I'll use it on somebody later in the day I thinks.

It's super pro-town.

Be back in a couple hours-ish.

On October 28 2013 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a reason why i used my power and as i said i fucked up somehow (you do not need to know how).
Pandain is making assumptions that are based on absolutely nothing because he has no idea what my power is and he has no idea why i used my power on who i used it on.

On October 28 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Delegate marvellosity
Because i am the fucking Baws!

On October 28 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv did you get the PM already?

On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment.

On October 28 2013 13:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain since you are here, you have yet to explain the WoS read.

On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote:


And why did you choose to not power the other three?

I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv.

Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up!

On October 28 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wow wow wow buddy.

I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl.

Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers.

On October 28 2013 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And tbh Pandain should know i am the most likely person in this game to lie about using a power in the first place regardless of my alignment..

That's why the point he brings on me is extremely ridicuous.

On October 28 2013 14:21 Oatsmaster wrote:

r u 4 realz?

On October 28 2013 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that i am not bad enough to use "deadly power" on someone based on 1 post?

On October 28 2013 14:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
You like me Pandain but you dont care that I think you are scum?

On October 28 2013 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Pandain why are you using this as a reasoning to why i am scum when it's clear that you voted for me because of my earlier "power use" that should have been an obvious joke for you?

On October 28 2013 14:45 Promethelax wrote:


He didn't want to give out the game because it was personally embarrassing. But when pressed he went ahead with it without putting up any real fight. That seems to me to be the action of a scum trying to be seen as working hard for a better town environment (the classic "please post your filter from that game" scum tactic where one tries to appear involved) without actually adding anything to the town. Were I a townie embarrassed of a past game I'd refuse to post it, he didn't really fight it.

Also the most recent post on me being scummy is, well, scummy. If he wanted to call me scum he could have made a case. Instead he quote padded his post to talk at you and added his attack on me in one line and concluded that I was scummy while leaving himself an out.

I'd take pandain is likely red with koshi.

On October 28 2013 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself?
If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right..

##Vote: Pandain

On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:

It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking.

On October 28 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:

The bolded sentence looks like fairly baseless and unwarranted criticism. Given I, and presumably others, actually literally require people to type specific things in the thread to use our powers, how else should we have gone about it, in your opinion? I can't keep the entirety of my role a secret, because then I don't have a role.

To the underlined, we've already had one vanilla town claim; are you calling that player a liar? Are you disagreeing with at least one other player (that I forget) who suggested it's unlikely we all have powers?

To the red, interesting that your mindset is to try to workout what powers these blues/powers have. Why would you even speculate on that right now if you're town? Much more of a mafia mindset.

I don't like your whole post basically.

On October 28 2013 23:29 Seuss wrote:


Yay stamp of approval.

Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts.

Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town.

strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue.

Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like.

You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh.

On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain.

On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome.

WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way?

I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^

Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something.

Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says?

I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything...

On an unrelated note (and i just post this because this is what has been bothering me in mafia sonce forever):
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 29 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Anything else? When does your power kick in?


Have you read the thread?

On October 29 2013 09:47 Seuss wrote:


There's a notable difference between OOCHILD and Clarity_nl, effort. It takes effort to make an argument, even a bad one. It takes zero effort to do nothing and/or post utter shit.

On October 29 2013 11:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I'll post some reads in the morning.

My vote on OOHCHILD isn't just because he's a lurker, but because he was actually really active until the day started. I wouldn't have a hard time believing he's a new mafia who doesn't know what to do.

If he were a blue I'd feel he'd be more floaty-in-the-background, like Chairman Ray in Noir.



IIRC he was shot in Thug Life for being too not-passive and he flipped cop. Maybe he's trying to compromise somehow? Not a fully evidenced townread, but nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes.



The hosts have told me that everything is going as planned and that my power has been accounted for. I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son.

Sleepytime

On October 30 2013 02:08 marvellosity wrote:

Does this basically mean that by Day 4 you can have removed 4 players votes entirely?

On October 30 2013 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god Pandain, have you even been reading the thread?

On October 30 2013 02:28 HotCottonCandy wrote:


It's not based on what he is doing but rather what the thread is doing. Go through and count how many times he has been mentioned randomly for pretty much no reason when there isn't even a discussion on him!

There is so much light suspicion on him but nobody is pushing him or doing anything about it, it's just oh yea he's scummy maybe idk.

This is usually scum when this happens because they are just skating by in thread and their buddies try to make him look bad but not too bad so he blends in.

even though he is not playing to his scum meta here I think he has a good chance of flipping scum for other reasons in a nutshell.

On October 30 2013 00:56 strongandbig wrote:
also something I didn't see from clarity - is he going to start playing more later in the game or is this all we're getting out of him? cause if he's not going to commit to ever playing differently then he really needs to replace out or get lynched tomorrow, we just can't allow someone who's playing like that to live to LYLO. but i'm okay with not lynching him today.

On October 30 2013 00:54 strongandbig wrote:
should i update koshi? we've collectively powered up everyone else who claimed an in-game power and my faith in TL towns is low enough that I think town probably gets a better deal from powering up everyone than from powering up everyone but one person.

On October 30 2013 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

SnB is a good example of someone fucking off while this shit is going down, and not adding anything particularly relevant. Again not sure and I don't think I ahve enough time to look into his filter. I will start looking after this post.

Pandain I am having a lot of trouble with because as I have commented on MULTIPLE times in this game (and yet people seem to forget it's in my filter) he is very VERY different from the way he has acted in all of the other games I have played wiht him. On its own without knowing anything about meta I would have called him scum wayyyy earlier because of his indecisiveness and meek attitude, but this could very well be a town Pandain I have never seen considering I know as scum he is incredibly confident and in-your-face.

On October 29 2013 20:20 marvellosity wrote:
OOHChild actually makes a decent point against him in his case.

Accuses rayn of "buddying marv"

Pandain proceeds to buddy the fuck out of marv.

But then won't power me up despite declaring me king of all townies.

It's all quite dodgy really.

On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:

I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again.

Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts

On October 30 2013 05:42 marvellosity wrote:

Incorrect, I need charging up for every night I use a power.

On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:


Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you.

The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right.

I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads.

Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch?

On October 30 2013 06:35 Koshi wrote:
I want another nuke.

On October 30 2013 09:00 strongandbig wrote:
It's like a shitload of lynches without scum getting to nk in between. It's super pro town.

On October 30 2013 09:56 HotCottonCandy wrote:
As a sidenote I feel better about sentinel wanting everybody to have nukes day 1. Even though he still hasn't really done anything so maybe im wrong but meh. Seems pro-town.

On October 30 2013 10:45 strongandbig wrote:
I will nuke someone in half an hour. Currently on the list:
VA for pigheadedness
Sentinel for reasons mentioned above
Rayn for teh lulz

On October 30 2013 12:02 Seuss wrote:


If you assume all the nukes are real, which (correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be your working assumption, you just wasted your nuke.

On October 30 2013 23:30 Promethelax wrote:


I don't know. Not helpful I know. I find myself fluctuating on him a lot, like dude was being smart and on point early on but his presence fell of and he kinda seemed to coast through the thread during the giant piles of shit flinging that occurred in the middle of the day.

He is in that somewhat large group of players who I'd be happy to see flip but wouldn't be my first target.

Has kush's meta changed? Because if it hasn't he is 100% scum. Anyone remember that whole kush likes to be right as scum and defends townies for no fucking reason thing? Clarity should never have been defended and was being defended on stupid shit by kush.

On October 30 2013 05:30 Pandain wrote:
Actually Clarity brings too much suspicion to himself for my taste. Like he's like "yeah, I know I'm scummy, but w/e can't help it". Scum would justify themselves and say "No dude i have homework to do" or another excuse, but at least adress it and not give up.

He's also consistant with the mindset I'm getting from him, not sure how to describe it but sad-ish. Like not confident, still somewhat trying, etc....

And a bad case in itself isn't worthy of scum when other people are more suspicious.

On October 30 2013 23:40 Koshi wrote:
Clarity was a policy lynch.

On October 31 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain read me, read me!

On October 31 2013 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Weird Pandain, explain?

On October 29 2013 05:15 Pandain wrote:
I'll be blunt Rayn the reason why I took my suspicion off of you was because you could be a mason role and therefore it would make sense to PM Marv.

However if it's anything else there's no real justification for it as it reveals your role, unless, I forgot, the purpose of the role itself is to reveal it!

You also upped your game and are being town.

I forgot another thing, this:


This post is so town in a number of ways.
Comprehensive, shows interest in getting opinion out.
Good points, so either I'm bad or we're on same scum trail

And the last post really strikes me as such a town thing to do. It's really hard to fake those kinds of posts.

Rayn is obviously trying to prove himself in this game since there are so many other good players and he has recently wanted to try to up his game to the next level.

It's dangerous to buddy Marv because that encourages doctors to save him or at least promotes him staying alive and a town marv is such a huge boon for town.

Or they're both mafia which is way more unlikely.

On October 31 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:

This is the type of bullshit you said in Noir, you just kept calling your posts good and yourself town.

On October 31 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is actually a good point on Pandabearguy.

On October 31 2013 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
lol @ the people I'm calling scum calling my lynches bad.

On October 31 2013 06:15 Promethelax wrote:


only if you assume he knew what he was doing. Which I don't assume. He had zero time devoted to the game and spent a lot of his time trying to not be deaded.

On October 31 2013 06:17 marvellosity wrote:
Pandain - WoS's last read on s&b was "I'm downgrading you to null"

On October 31 2013 06:23 Promethelax wrote:
As scum I have shot people for tonnes of reasons, good reads is one but so is being a universal town read. The death implicating someone I want to get lynched. Eliminating a power role.

I also just realized how scummy me saying all this is since I was WoS's major scum read at least for a while. But whatever. I don't think wos was shot for beig right. He didn't have power i this town to lead to a correct lynch even if he was right about scum.

On October 30 2013 02:28 HotCottonCandy wrote:


It's not based on what he is doing but rather what the thread is doing. Go through and count how many times he has been mentioned randomly for pretty much no reason when there isn't even a discussion on him!

There is so much light suspicion on him but nobody is pushing him or doing anything about it, it's just oh yea he's scummy maybe idk.

This is usually scum when this happens because they are just skating by in thread and their buddies try to make him look bad but not too bad so he blends in.

even though he is not playing to his scum meta here I think he has a good chance of flipping scum for other reasons in a nutshell.

On October 31 2013 08:42 marvellosity wrote:
The long and short of it rayn is that

a) I'm not sure I believe that you "accidentally" fucked up using your powers on me. It's very convenient.
b) I'm not sure I believe your non-excuse for disappearing around lynch time and not being proactive about WoS. Again, it's very convenient.

On October 31 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
Not "oh my dear god"

For you to be town I have to accept you randomly went somewhere you can't remember to buy cigarettes with lynch coming up immediately, and you somehow managed to fuck up your power and fucked up one of the strongest players' in the game power because "woops". I hate having to assume stupid shit.

On October 31 2013 09:48 marvellosity wrote:
Given you were interested in Wave's reads as he died, Pandain, it's curious that you didn't pick that up or mention that yet

On October 31 2013 09:55 marvellosity wrote:
Neither - I'm doing it because you stated it could be important and then failed to do it yourself when bringing up a lynch candidate, especially a lynch candidate that Wave has a particular connection with.

On October 31 2013 09:56 Pandain wrote:
Seuss basically is definition of skirting by with important caveat he's putting huge effort into things which don't really affect the game.

Makes sense from scum mindset not really town.

On October 31 2013 10:03 marvellosity wrote:
Apologies if it's in your filter recently, but what are your general Oats-thoughts, Pandain?

On October 31 2013 11:09 strongandbig wrote:
Pandain I'll ask you again, why do you think I'm scum? Last time I asked you didn't answer, but wos did and after I explained stuff he changed his mind.

I really feel like you're just continuing to say I'm scum because you're comfortable with having a scum read on me. You mention me like a hundred times as one of your preferred lynches but you haven't done anything substantive to explain that or persuade anyone why I'm likely scum. I don't like it.

On October 28 2013 23:49 strongandbig wrote:
Hey guys
I like promethelax and oatsmaster
Nothing as meta as Marv had (tho I don't disagree) but prome makes sense and his thread presence seems to be working towards a scumhunting-positive environment
Oats has way better SNR than I think he does as scum
Don't want to power up Marv yet and probably not at all today unless we decide to just power everybody, not bc I think he's scum but bc I can't trust a town read on him this early in the game unless he does something unintentionally telling, which he hasn't yet

Best case so far in the thread has been oatsmaster's case on pandaman, so weird.

I'm a belieber
##yolo Promethelax
##Refudiate Oatsmaster

On October 17 2013 23:10 strongandbig wrote:
/in
Need mah mafia fix

Whichever team I'm on beware, I've got a five- or six-game losing streak and it shows no sign of letting up!

I hope I'm on a team with sentinel so I can get my revenge for his shameless mod-fuckery!

On October 28 2013 23:56 strongandbig wrote:
@marv the key point on pandain isn't that his play doesn't make sense, it's that he voted rayne for reasons which were disproven (the #kill thing) but then when that was found out, pandain made up very tenuous reasons to justify his suspicion staying on rayn rather than unvote, look for other reads, reconsider, etc. (saying that attacking bad reasoning is scummy, attackign rayn for "buddying" you when he really doesn't appear to be - bot of which are tenuous reasons in the first place and are doubly so when you're talking about rayn who yells at everyone for what he sees as bad reasoning and who loves to short-term buddy people to do his in-thread buddy cop thing).

On October 29 2013 00:19 strongandbig wrote:


well, i guess i just dont agree. i dont see that as bad, i see it as scummy.

the difference is "bad/weird" are things that are bad or dont make sense for town but dont for scum either. if something is bad or doesn't make sense for town but there's a clear link between it and a scum mindset or scum motivation then it's not bad/weird its scummy.

obviously he could be mafia or town based on his play so far. but oat's case is the best one i saw when i was reading through the thread, and i think by reducing it to "bad/weird play" you're well understating it.

On October 30 2013 00:40 strongandbig wrote:


weird question.
i think i was scum with oats in a game where he kept asking people to read him. am i remembering correctly? does he do this as town as well? idk, but suspicious. still leaning town on him though

also ##Twerk



you should've said something.

##Yolo Promethelax

you should've said something but w/e

catching up with the thread atm, on page 50, rather lynch clarity than oohchild atm, still kind of think pandain is scum but i'll filter him once i catch up, could oohchild be OO? doesn't matter but would be punny.

On October 30 2013 00:54 strongandbig wrote:
should i update koshi? we've collectively powered up everyone else who claimed an in-game power and my faith in TL towns is low enough that I think town probably gets a better deal from powering up everyone than from powering up everyone but one person.

On October 30 2013 01:43 strongandbig wrote:
here's the thing i notice about wos's filter. there's a lot of talking about other people talking about himself.

+ Show Spoiler +
generally i don't like this, not one bit. it's like, scum are much more likely to do that kind of thing than town, because they care much more about deflecting small amounts of suspicion from them. note that none of these early things that wos is responding to amount to any serious pressure, any serious chance of him getting lynched, but he still attacks the people who attack him.

Prome, as for your case -
(1) his soft claim - well, i guess it's getting towards 'later in the day' when he said he would use his post. but if we're talking about claims i think sent's is way worse than his.
(2) not being here post - meh. i've done that as town, no reason why someone else cant.
(3) 9 minutes. a little suspicious? but i could easily see him having gotten three or four of your filters from the database, scrolled through looking for big cases, and coming up empty in that amount of time. also if he actually knew it was bs, why say that as scum?
(4) the 3p thing. yeah it's weird. is it scummy? Only if scum know there's a third party in the game that town doesn't know about, and we have no evidence that that's the case.

i actually like rayn's case a lot better than yours, it's similar to the argument i made above about wave being self-focused, plus rayn's pretty right that town wave just has more backbone than in this game.

overall i think wave is probably a good lynch choice today but i don't really agree with your case's reasoning for that.

On October 30 2013 01:56 strongandbig wrote:

yeah i got you confused with kushmasta, who i was scum with in sicilian.

i filtered pandain because i said i would filter him when i posted while catching up to the thread. also how is it odd that i went back and filtered the guy who was previously my top scum read. how is that odd.
love the connection case with no flips btw.

then your last point



lol

seriously though do you disagree with me? regardless of clarity's alignment i don't want him alive at lylo unless he starts playing differently.

On October 30 2013 05:41 strongandbig wrote:


im not defending you
the attitude that if i agree with someone's conclusions i have to agree with all of their logic is one of the many silly tropes in mafia

also i guess i didnt vote yet

##vote: waveofshadow

On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:

which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere?


dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US
also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games

also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated.

last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it

On October 30 2013 05:56 strongandbig wrote:
yeah if people are telling the truths about their powers then clarity gets lynched i think

On October 30 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:
why dont we just like nuke everyone except marv?

On October 30 2013 09:00 strongandbig wrote:
It's like a shitload of lynches without scum getting to nk in between. It's super pro town.

On October 30 2013 11:37 strongandbig wrote:
Okay
##Nuke HotCottonCandy

Oh wait I spelled it wrong

On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:


1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right?

2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't)

Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked.

3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant.

4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die.

On November 01 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i am still nuking Oats.
Someone else can do Seuss. There are other nukes right, Prome?

On November 01 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

post by post analysis are so bad and don't serve the purpose..

On November 01 2013 07:52 OOHCHILD wrote:


Not true? but pandain i actually read your entire case for real and it didn't convince me.

On November 01 2013 07:56 OOHCHILD wrote:
@pandain i just read some of his filter from thug life and I think his analysis this game is much deeper. Basically the only smart stuff he said in thug life was picking apart other people's cases on town.

On November 01 2013 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes true. Even the worst mafia players do not slip in every post of theirs. I can tell from Pandain's case, even when i havn't read it, and even if SnB is scum, that at least 50% of his points are invalid. If you do a case like that the main point gets buried somewhere between there and it's alot easier for scum to defend as if they defend 90% of the case it looks good even if it's the 10% that actually makes them scum, just because they defended pretty much everything -> case is bad.

On November 01 2013 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
Hahahahaha pandain

If you're gonna do a meta analysis you should try reading a town game where I was trying
Instead of one where I basically didnt play

On October 30 2013 00:56 strongandbig wrote:
also something I didn't see from clarity - is he going to start playing more later in the game or is this all we're getting out of him? cause if he's not going to commit to ever playing differently then he really needs to replace out or get lynched tomorrow, we just can't allow someone who's playing like that to live to LYLO. but i'm okay with not lynching him today.

On November 01 2013 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote:

we got like 32 hours, chill out.

On October 29 2013 05:15 Pandain wrote:
I'll be blunt Rayn the reason why I took my suspicion off of you was because you could be a mason role and therefore it would make sense to PM Marv.

However if it's anything else there's no real justification for it as it reveals your role, unless, I forgot, the purpose of the role itself is to reveal it!

You also upped your game and are being town.

I forgot another thing, this:


This post is so town in a number of ways.
Comprehensive, shows interest in getting opinion out.
Good points, so either I'm bad or we're on same scum trail

And the last post really strikes me as such a town thing to do. It's really hard to fake those kinds of posts.

Rayn is obviously trying to prove himself in this game since there are so many other good players and he has recently wanted to try to up his game to the next level.

It's dangerous to buddy Marv because that encourages doctors to save him or at least promotes him staying alive and a town marv is such a huge boon for town.

Or they're both mafia which is way more unlikely.

On November 01 2013 10:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Pandain please.
Why do you want to lynch a replacement without allowing him the chance to contribute and I assume that you have changed your mind about Rayn being a dick because you havent showed anything, SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE IS TOWN?