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On October 29 2013 22:44 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 22:39 Promethelax wrote:
is true. I do a lot of dumb shit and say a lot of dumb shit, I just happen to also be a lot better than most people on tl. hey hey. Im sure you arent referring to me. Right? I'm a lot better than you. But only because I take my pants off of my head sometimes. Rayn: what does it say about OOH. You liked that one post, so does that mean you think he is town? How do you read his choice to refuse to talk to the more powerful townie voices in the thread i.e. me and marv.
I don't think that's alignment indicative. Why would he, as scum, openly refuse to do so? If he continues doing it he will get lynched for it. It makes as little sense for him to do as scum than it does as town. I am more interested in hearing why he finds marv & Koshi scummy.
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On October 29 2013 22:51 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 29 2013 22:44 Promethelax wrote:On October 29 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 22:39 Promethelax wrote:
is true. I do a lot of dumb shit and say a lot of dumb shit, I just happen to also be a lot better than most people on tl. hey hey. Im sure you arent referring to me. Right? I'm a lot better than you. But only because I take my pants off of my head sometimes. Rayn: what does it say about OOH. You liked that one post, so does that mean you think he is town? How do you read his choice to refuse to talk to the more powerful townie voices in the thread i.e. me and marv. I don't think that's alignment indicative. Why would he, as scum, openly refuse to do so? If he continues doing it he will get lynched for it. It makes as little sense for him to do as scum than it does as town. I am more interested in hearing why he finds marv & Koshi scummy. Because he clearly isn't getting lynched on it today. If I had the ability to refuse to speak to the most powerful townies in the game and claim it is modkillable for me to respond to them I'd do it every time. He clearly has no real reasons for thinking they are scum. Look at what he just posted. Jesus.
Yeah but you do not make enemies as scum if you don't have to. Especially in a way he did. It doesn't matter if he gets lynched for it today, as there are other scum alive. You know, people look back later on in the game and if he doesn't change his attitude soon it will haunt him later on (although lately TL towns tend to be forgetting the power of rereading). I agree what he said about marv especially is really bad and if i knew he was a smurf i would lynch him instantly.
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OOHCHILD: Regarding marv, Clarity, and his case against Oats which is a main reason people are voting for him.
This is (as you should know) a game where the most important thing is not what people say but why they say what they do and what they should be saying and what they do not say when they should.
If there is a monkey in a lion cage you can't just expect it to be a lion and act like a lion just because it's a lion cage.
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On October 29 2013 23:00 OOHCHILD wrote:
Marvel, you yourself admitted that Oatsmaster is playing more town this game. What if Clarity reads the behavior you read as more town, conversely, as more SCUM.
Then he should say so. Which he hasn't.
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Hey Clarity, you are going nowhere good place atm. You already said you don't necessarily believe in your Oats case as much as you said earlier on. Who do you want to lynch? You have given zero scumreads atm and that doesn't help you.
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On October 29 2013 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
No OOHCHILD it's because you're coming up with scenarios where I'm town when if that scenario were true I would just say so
Like, it's like you're making up excuses for me, it's odd.
Stop defending and find scum. It's the only way you are not getting lynched today tbh.
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On October 29 2013 23:08 OOHCHILD wrote:
Ray, how he can make cases if he has not read anything?
That's my point. He should be doing that if he is town instead of answering people here.
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On October 29 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Ok, because rayn didn't make a case on Pandain and don't thinks he is scum I made the case. It's made for rayn but it's why I think Pandain is scummy.
What does this mean?
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On October 29 2013 23:16 OOHCHILD wrote:
I'm not a smurf but I'm also not new to this game.
If I were mafia why would I try to clear the only alternate bandwagon?
Hey are you from the Championship game? If so, who?
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Koshi:
This is what Pandain's town play looks like:
Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat.
This is what Pandain's scum play looks like:
stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone".
At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar).
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On October 30 2013 00:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him
This is so bad because he looks less dickish than he is in his town games aswell and he is less dickish as scum in general.
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On October 30 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 30 2013 00:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him
This is so bad because he looks less dickish than he is in his town games aswell and he is less dickish as scum in general. Could you push something please? Thanks. Don't like that you're kinda spectating all this.
I am getting to that soon. I gotta eat first. But i want to lynch WoS or Sentinel, don't know which one yet.
Dick move analysis say Clarity is town and i do not like OOHCHILD lynch at all. Based mainly on his self-suicidal behavior and the fact that when i said "i could lynch OOH just because" earlier on, suddenly some people voted for him with zero reasoning. Those votes would have been easy for scum to call out people for in case OOH was scum but nobody did do anything about it.
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This is why WaveofShadow is scum.
I did not like how he was trying to "promote" his Prome case and "prove he is town in these posts:
On October 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 28 2013 14:16 Promethelax wrote:
Oats there is no case.
WoS had two points,
1) the powering thing, already addressed.
2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain.
Oh look, entire case refuted. Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that.He was scum.
Justifying someone is scum because of what [i]someone else did in some other game.
On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target?Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you?
"Would i do this as scum? No, i must be town."
After his Promethelax case he has been really insecure in his reads and in everything he says. I sense fear because marvellosity conveniently shut down the case. WoS never commented on marv's town case on Prome at first, yet kept his vote on Prome and tried instead defend his own case. In case he thought Prome was scum and wanted to lynch him he should have pointed where marv was wrong on his town read on Prome.
After that these posts of his are really bad and only strengthen my observations of him being too insecure to be town.
On October 29 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 02:57 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^
For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened) But he didn't push it, which was the problem I originally had. He gave early scumreads and then didn't bother pursuing (aside from questioning Rayn regarding early powerup enabling, and he thinks Koshi is scum for similar). So what's the point? This is kinda nitpicky and I don't get where you're going with it. So he says it, it's dumb, you prove him wrong. I'm struggling to make that lean one way or another. I'm not going anywhere with it anymore. I just wanted to know your thoughts on it because you never really commented one way or the other since Prome and me had it out while you were gone. It's just funny you say it's a dumb thing to push if he's mafia, but the fact remained that he didn't push it at all---maybe for exactly the reason you just stated. In any case i still have to look over your read on him before coming to a final decision about him and I get the feeling I'll be removing my vote....in which case I have to find someone new. I'm not so sure Clarity is a useful target atm despite looking fairly scummy---I'd probably want to hear more from him first. I also don't give SnB's entry nearly as many points. Koshi mabes? He seems to be a popular choice as of late.
Insecurity. Like i said earlier, he is not scumhunting, he is basically asking people who is scum. He is not trying to find out who is scum by himself.
On October 29 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure.
Regarding Clarity, maybe it's just a lack of confidence in my Ver-fu (even though I have had 'insta-scum' moments from single posts) but to me the disconnect you're voting him on (ie Clarity knows better than this) doesn't seem as strong to me. I've seen Clarity play and I actually could see him believing in his case despite us seeing otherwise because Oats is a lot of different things to a lot of people. That being said his case/posting is still shit, but I could see it being possible town-shit.
This is softly casting doubt on me and Koshi for something we should in his opinion be doing if we were town. Instead of trying to figure out our alignments he just makes a shitty comment like this and does not follow up it with questioning or making any conclusions from it.
Later on he unvotes Prome (because of what marv said - the thing he didn't comment on earlier at all, despite me pointing it out) and votes for someone he doesn't even think is scum!
Too weak to be town Wave.
##Unvote:
##Vote: WaveofShadow[/b]
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On October 30 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, your sense of timing is excellent. I'm going to go along with that.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Problem for me atm is that if I accept OOH and Clarity aren't mafia, then some of my reads elsewhere are kinda off.
Well OOH could be mafia, but that's for another day. I think he is from the latest Champs game because of his unwillingness of participating fully on D1 and his use of "clear" instead of "defend". These guys who play werevolf clear people instead of defending.
I am not confident on him being scum, too few info.
Also Pandain lynch is bad. If neither of me and Vayne thinks he is scum he probably hasn't done anything scummy. If you want a reference look at Thug life. When Noir ended me and Vayne instantly go "Pandain is 100% scum". If he is scum he is able to fake his towniness until some point but that will fall apart. Not a good lynch for today.
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On October 30 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:50 Seuss wrote:
My one big qualm with rayn's argument is that he overthinks Wave's OOHCHILD vote. There were several of us on that train, and the primary reason behind it was policy/pressure. I don't think any of us expected to keep our votes there, up until OOHCHILD actually started posting up a storm. Yeah, but everyone else has done something since. You're actually supporting the argument here :/
That's basically the point. He just dropped the vote there when he had argued about other stuff (mainly me and Koshi connections) just before.
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Also OOHCHILD could you even tell if you are from the Championship game or not?
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On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:
rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean?
I dunno. I am not interested in Koshi at the moment because his reads post and the "sheep marv and rayn + some people have some qualities" post were pure town Koshi. Probably has something to do with him listening to us and looking into people we are.
Maybe Koshi can explain?
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On October 30 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol SnB just claimed scum.
Can we lynch SnB guys?
##unvote
##vote SnB
Elaborate please.
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Prome you say some stufdf that i can't understand. this:
In nine minutes WoS looked through all my games. Nine minutes for him to realize he was full of shit. Or he knew it from the beginning. WoS was full of shit from the beginning. WoS is scum ##logic
Where did WoS say he looked into your games? I don't understand this argument given the quotes.
And this:
I find this really weird, this is not the first time he was brought up 3p so far this game. I'd say he either is 3p or is aware of its existence.
Along with that his OOh 'placeholder' vote was the fourth vote on OOOh and he hadn't commented before at all. I don't like that particular vote. In fact, I rather like WoS as scum. Or 3p. Anti town any ways.
Aren't you basically doing the same thing you accuse WoS of here?
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