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On October 31 2013 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Can you give me a top 3 SnB?
i can give you my current gut reads before i have to get back to my problem set. it's pretty messy, i feel like all my reads are mixed / "wishy washy" and people are going to yell at me for it (although I don't think faking a couple strong reads is particularly hard for scum).
- kush has played objectively scummy, although i'm kind of worried about the "too scummy to be scum" aspect of things like his #shunnanigans, but kush would probably do it as scum
- i'm worried about pandain despite my meta read of his long posts, he keeps posting things with reasoning that strikes me as pretty inane and my gut impression is that he's not updating his reads
- VA - i believe what i said when i nuked him but i also feel like scumVA wouldn't have put in the effort to rethink his read on me after the nuke and engage in a conversation about it
then i guess the next tier would be sentinel along with you and rayn, people who I think are pretty dangerous as scum and haven't really given me a particularly townie gut impression.
Also there's seuss, next time I get some thread time I'll look through your case on him and his filter in detail.
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Hahahahaha pandain
If you're gonna do a meta analysis you should try reading a town game where I was trying
Instead of one where I basically didnt play
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On November 01 2013 08:15 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
Hahahahaha pandain
If you're gonna do a meta analysis you should try reading a town game where I was trying
Instead of one where I basically didnt play Which game should I look at?
Idk. On my phone. Basically any other town game. But srsly if you got the impression that I "care" less in this game than in noir that's silly, noir I was replaced in after I'd started another game and just didnt have enough time to give any shits.
Also if you think losing is motivating I think you have a poor grasp of sports psychology.
The rest of your case is pretty meh.. I'm not "posting like scum", I'm giving town my honest thoughts and opinions, you get what you get.
A few specifics:
- I felt confident in promethelax because I really liked his early attempts to engineer what I saw as a good thread atmosphere, I felt myself nodding to a lot of his points early. I tweaked later when I got more confident in Marv.
- I didn't want to lynch clarity yet on day 1 because he hadnt said whether he was just never going to play or whether he was just out for a cycle or two.
- sorry you don't like my reasoning on wos or vayne. Turns out I was wrong about wos, well have to see about vayne. But I also don't see how this kind of "weak" post makes me scum or fits your interpretation of my scum game being "more confident" or whatevs.
- I nuked cause I wanted to use my nuke on the scummiest non already nuked person around. I said that I would do this, then there were several hours to discuss, then I did it. Like I asked wave, what possible scum motivation is there for me to nuke vayne there?
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Aperture was a pretty good town game I think. Got shot by scum so that's good
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On November 01 2013 22:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 22:49 Onegu wrote:On November 01 2013 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
Onegu, I should be extremely obviously town to you, as my play is literally nothing like Dessert.
So Koshi's townread on me is not unfounded at all. Ill be honest the main reason I doubt you is because the replacement thing. I'm going to get mad about replacements as either alignment if it comes at a bullshit time.
This exchange sticks in my craw
Quoting it so its in my filter, I'll think about it later
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Onegu's koshi case is bad. It's a case that could come from scum or town though. , pointing out aspects of koshi's play, not connecting them to scum motivations and not providing context for why it makes koshi specifically scum.
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The Seuss counterclaim is a thing though. If he's scum isn't it risky to do that? He would know wos flips town, then after that he has to counterpush his own "one of these is scum" argument or at best gets into a 1v1 with pandain.
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##Update Koshi
##vote onegu I guess my vote doesn't matter anyway
##Refudiate Oatsmaster
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brief update yo
I can get behind a rayn lynch.
worried a little about prome because of how much townier he seemed d1 than d2 but that's probably because he just wasnt around much d3 also it's a good point about how seuss didnt yolo him.
since all the nukes were false, can't really read much into sentinel's role but he's playing decently
still think oats is probably town which makes me worried about koshi and prome, but koshi is either town or nextlevel scum because of the mega bus. however if all the in-thread powerup roles are town it'd be weird.
va might be scum but i have a much better gut feeling than i did when i nuked him
could still lynch kush i guess
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plz say why rayn
is it beacuse the scum team powers aren't strong enough in your opinion to match those?
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On November 04 2013 07:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 07:23 HotCottonCandy wrote:
that is correct I am the same role that clarity was Would be cool if SnB verifies this.
Yeah, twitter follower is the vt role this game that I have
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On November 04 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:
Basically strongandbig you need to ##Twerk me because I don't see rayn doing it.
##Twerk
##Update Koshi
##Refudiate Oatsmaster
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As you may be able to tell based in my choices of retweet, I think oats is way townier than prome.
I'm down with a lynch on either of Rayn or prome. But I think rayn's balance rage seems super scummy. Only scum worry that town powers are too strong because townies don't know what powers scum have. Only scum have enough information to get mad.
So ##vote: raynpelikoneet for now, but if there's compelling reason to change I will.
Sidenote: I've decided that unless a greymist game or another round of Forumite's Bastard Mafia come up, this will be the last game I play in until the end of the semester. My give-a-shit reservoirs are depletedby homework, apparently. But after this semester, no more homework ever.
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Ok so hey guys
After the way I've been playing pretty sure if you decide to lynch me I'm not gonna be able to probe you wrong, especially with a problem set due tomorrow, another one due Friday, and my boss breathing down my neck about classes. So I'll just make a few points and then ignore it.
(1) if I'm scum, I'm definitely not the only scum left or I would have resigned. I would obviously have zero win chance, and I'm pretty sure I have conceded as scum in the past, although I can't remember a game right now (except the one where I was a hydra with Drazerk and he wouldn't let me concede. (Hydra mini mafia 2 extra nuke edition). I think there was another one but maybe not.
(2) when I've been around to play, people have apparently thought I was town. I persuaded wos and va, both of whom actually nuked me night 1, that they were incorrect.
Only pandain was still tunneling me, and does it really make sense to kill him for his correct reads on clearly the weakest members of the scum team rather than kill someone who was on to rayn or whoever the hypothetical fourth scum is? Marv is probably right, pandain was probably killed for being basically confirmed town and unlikely to be jailed or protected.
(3) if you guys think "not caring" or "apathy" is a scum tell from me at this point, you are wrong - I put way more effort into thug lyfe as scum than into noir as town, or even into golden sun as town. This game may be restoring my faith in TL towns a little bit but my recent streak has been finding town not very fun to play.
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As for who is scum. Here's the thing.
I kind of still think one of the charger roles is scum, and here's why.
Night 1, when rayn "accidentally" sent the wrong power to Marv. The whole time, he acted as though he always knew that the "-1" power was the "helpful" power and the "+1" power was the "harmful" power.
I really don't think this was the natural/intuitive assumption. The vast majority of the time, numbers in roles refer to the ability or strength of the role. How many KP you can block as medic or jailor; how many KP you deal as a vig; how many targets you can choose for any role, but especially as eg a list checker or other multiuse role. Like, if I was a scumteam with that power, I would be really worried about making a 1/2 KP vig into a real vig, powering up a list checker, or making a role that said "target 1 player to watch/detect/doctor/etc".
Plus, even if you only talk about costs, it could just as easily be worded as "your starting power level is X + the number of people who Twerk" or even as "you gain 1 power for each person who twerks."
The fact that rayn used the increase power on Marv and then immediately started walking it back makes means he knew it was the "harmful" power to Marv. The only way he could have known that is if there is a scum charge-up power role.
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On November 06 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
You need to provide alternatives.
Dunno why you signed up if you couldn't make any effort bro :/
Being scum in thug life was really fun. I thought town would be more fun too. I just need to take a break for a month or so.
Like, it's not that I couldn't have put in more effort up to now, I only started having boss pressure this week. It's more that I didn't really feel like putting in more effort, specifically on day 2.
I put in a satisfactory (to me) amount of effort day 1 and night 1. I persuaded the people who wanted to lynch me that I am town. And then on day 2 we had Marv guarantee and it didnt seem necessary or worthwhile to put in more effort.
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On November 06 2013 00:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 00:32 strongandbig wrote:
As for who is scum. Here's the thing.
I kind of still think one of the charger roles is scum, and here's why.
Night 1, when rayn "accidentally" sent the wrong power to Marv. The whole time, he acted as though he always knew that the "-1" power was the "helpful" power and the "+1" power was the "harmful" power.
I really don't think this was the natural/intuitive assumption. The vast majority of the time, numbers in roles refer to the ability or strength of the role. How many KP you can block as medic or jailor; how many KP you deal as a vig; how many targets you can choose for any role, but especially as eg a list checker or other multiuse role. Like, if I was a scumteam with that power, I would be really worried about making a 1/2 KP vig into a real vig, powering up a list checker, or making a role that said "target 1 player to watch/detect/doctor/etc".
Plus, even if you only talk about costs, it could just as easily be worded as "your starting power level is X + the number of people who Twerk" or even as "you gain 1 power for each person who twerks."
The fact that rayn used the increase power on Marv and then immediately started walking it back makes means he knew it was the "harmful" power to Marv. The only way he could have known that is if there is a scum charge-up power role. It is explained in his role pm...
Nah, it just says something like "any numbers which cannot be written in another way"
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Happy post 16,0000 Marv!!
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