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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:02 GMT
#901
On October 29 2013 19:52 OOHCHILD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
So what do *you* make of Clarity, OOChild? Or anyone but Pandain?


Clarity looks busy, like myself. I have empathy for his situation.


Do you have any reads though? Does empathy mean town or scum?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 11:03 GMT
#902
I'm finding this OOHCHILD-Pandain-Clarity circle type thing quite difficult to unpick.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:04 GMT
#903
Well why not lynch one, shoot one, cop one? Circle goes boom.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 29 2013 11:06 GMT
#904
##Twerk
Cant you read me well marv?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 11:10 GMT
#905
Because most of the fun of mafia is working out the right answer ^_^

I mean surely they can't all be town, right? So... just hitting the right one.

Clarity simply looks like a good lynch at the moment. Apart from the case on Oats, there are a couple of surrounding points. In Heavyweight, Clarity and I buddied to fuck all game long, and Clarity often followed my thoughts (and vice versa to be fair). And actually in history, it can be shown that Clarity listens to me a lot and likes to sheep me (an off the cuff example is voting Z-boson in Mario mafia, there are various others. Chrono too I think). But he comes into this game with not a single mention of me, he doesn't talk about me at all, he doesn't talk about any of my points... bleh. And then when I'm pressuring him he's ill and he's going to play dota.

This could all just be an unfortunate set of circumstances, but probability suggests to me that it's more likely he's mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 11:11 GMT
#906
On October 29 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Twerk
Cant you read me well marv?

You know I struggle to read you. Just because I got it right last game doesn't mean I haven't been wrong quite a few times too.

And you know that, so kinda an odd question.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 29 2013 11:12 GMT
#907
On October 29 2013 18:39 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 18:16 Koshi wrote:
Ahh, I now see that Pandain is not going to boost anybody... wow. So silly.

Hmm, did he say that and I missed it? It makes it a little less suspicious.

My powers are not in-thread.

No he didn't say that but if he isn't going to give his very exciting and very townread no powerup because he might fear he is scum anyway, I am not having big hopes for the rest of us.

On October 29 2013 18:40 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, do you think rayn is pushing stuff as much as usual? He doesn't seem very gung-ho to me, and that worries me a bit. But you don't seem to be worried about him at all.

I was a bit worried in the start but unless rayn is obvious scum to me I think I am going to ignore him till a point in the game I am forced to see him as scum. There is no reason for me to put unneeded pressure on him because I believe I can read him without having to interact with him. So our conversations should be about finding scum together more than finding out each other alignement.

It is also a fact that I am the one that has the harder time reading rayn compared to rayn reading me. Golden Sun I was saying he was scum right before he got shot that night (N4), and he was shot for being 100% right on his reads... I think I can read rayn based around the point he decides I am town If you look at Noir I am pretty sure I started yelling rayn was 100% scum because he couldn't see I was town after my N1, which I played town meta Koshi. He could have still said I was scum but should have said I faked my meta, not the weak ass reasons he gave there. In this game he just gave me a leaning town read after my list of reads, which is a good moment for rayn to say that about me.

But i'll add this for now:
I was not the biggest fan of rayn his first pages, as he was pretty easygoing counting down with me, while I was asking questions at Sentinel he was just yoloing with me. Him giving a good answer to somebody asking about that is pretty null. I was surprised that he kept his cool interrogating Pandain because I would expect a bit more fire but he really kept his cool, even saying that Pandain was not readable for anybody atm because he was still null on Pandain and therefore shutting down some people who were pushing Pandain in the scummy corner for Pandains case on rayn.

rayn is in no danger of getting lynched today and his play was on a level I can/want to trust him with his reads. But like I said in my list, I am willing to sheep rayn on Pandain and when rayn specifically asks me to sheep him. Otherwise I am more inclined to sheep marv.
I had a good night of sleep.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:15 GMT
#908
I'd be shocked if all three were scum but at least one is and maybe two. The thing is I'd like the ooh question settled because I'm not sure what we can get out of him as a player: he has been present and given nothing. I do think he is new to TL though so maybe some newbie tells will slip into his play. He is a perfect vig shot/cop check at the moment.

Panda seems plausibly readable.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 11:15 GMT
#909
That's a very reasonable post indeed, Koshi. That's how I view rayn too. In Noir I had him written down as "constructive but non-confrontational" and gradually his passivity made him scummier and scummier.

I think his posts this game are stronger than they were in Noir though. So I'd guess town but I'm not that confident, seems kinda similar to what you wrote.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 29 2013 11:17 GMT
#910
What is everyone's reads on Pandain actually? There hasnt really been much discussion surrounding him.

One thing though, it annoys me tremendously that he doesnt want to talk to me about my scumread on him at all.
No gg, No skill.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:18 GMT
#911
My read on him is between a three and a four
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 11:20 GMT
#912
OOHChild actually makes a decent point against him in his case.

Accuses rayn of "buddying marv"

Pandain proceeds to buddy the fuck out of marv.

But then won't power me up despite declaring me king of all townies.

It's all quite dodgy really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 29 2013 11:22 GMT
#913
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.

##Twerk

Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.

Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.

Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.

I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 29 2013 11:27 GMT
#914
##Unvote
##Vote: Clarity_nl
I had a good night of sleep.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:28 GMT
#915
for ease of reference

1Promethelax
3WaveofShadow
3.5Pandain
4[UoN]Sentinel
2Oatsmaster
3Koshi
2.5strongandbig
4OOHCHILD
1marvellosity
3Seuss
5Clarity_nl
3HotCottonCandy
2raynpelikoneet
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:29 GMT
#916
On October 29 2013 20:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
What is everyone's reads on Pandain actually? There hasnt really been much discussion surrounding him.

One thing though, it annoys me tremendously that he doesnt want to talk to me about my scumread on him at all.


What is your read on Pandain Oats, make the discussion yourself.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
October 29 2013 11:32 GMT
#917
On October 29 2013 20:15 Promethelax wrote:
I'd be shocked if all three were scum but at least one is and maybe two. The thing is I'd like the ooh question settled because I'm not sure what we can get out of him as a player: he has been present and given nothing. I do think he is new to TL though so maybe some newbie tells will slip into his play. He is a perfect vig shot/cop check at the moment.

Panda seems plausibly readable.


You have been shunned for the rest of he game. That means I will not respond to you again.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:34 GMT
#918
And that, marv, is my main issue with OOH.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 11:35 GMT
#919
OOHChild, could you please ##Twerk me.

And stop saying you won't talk to people, it's super lame.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 11:37 GMT
#920
Let me clarify for posterity/people who don't think the same way I do: OOH is present, he is keeping up with the thread and has not given a read. All he does is decide not to talk to people who don't like his play. So far he has shut down discussion with both myself and Rayn (two of the stronger players in the game and both town) there is only so far one can go clamping his hands over his ears and screaming NYNERNYNERNYNER every time someone has an issue with his play. ANd OOH has already gone past that point.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
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