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On October 29 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 01:48 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, I am going to go with marv, rayn, seuss and Oats town.
But your townread just got downgraded a bit because you are correct on the amount of pages in this game. Haha, this is funny. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:
1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit".
2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20.
3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread.
4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice.
Here is my first real scumread. Don't think it says anything at all for Koshi's alignment, but I found it and it tickled me, so I thought I'd share.
Marv how the fuck do you find this shit?
Maybe it was your crazy meta use I was mixing up with Prome's earlier.
Actually on that note did you make anything of Prome's attempt to use meta to give me a weak scumread early despite not having played with me in months? I know he since explained it but I'd like to know what you think if anything.
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Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^
For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened)
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On October 29 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^
For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened)
But he didn't push it, which was the problem I originally had. He gave early scumreads and then didn't bother pursuing (aside from questioning Rayn regarding early powerup enabling, and he thinks Koshi is scum for similar).
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On October 29 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^
For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened) But he didn't push it, which was the problem I originally had. He gave early scumreads and then didn't bother pursuing (aside from questioning Rayn regarding early powerup enabling, and he thinks Koshi is scum for similar).
So what's the point? This is kinda nitpicky and I don't get where you're going with it. So he says it, it's dumb, you prove him wrong. I'm struggling to make that lean one way or another.
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On October 29 2013 02:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 29 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^
For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened) But he didn't push it, which was the problem I originally had. He gave early scumreads and then didn't bother pursuing (aside from questioning Rayn regarding early powerup enabling, and he thinks Koshi is scum for similar). So what's the point? This is kinda nitpicky and I don't get where you're going with it. So he says it, it's dumb, you prove him wrong. I'm struggling to make that lean one way or another.
I'm not going anywhere with it anymore. I just wanted to know your thoughts on it because you never really commented one way or the other since Prome and me had it out while you were gone. It's just funny you say it's a dumb thing to push if he's mafia, but the fact remained that he didn't push it at all---maybe for exactly the reason you just stated. In any case i still have to look over your read on him before coming to a final decision about him and I get the feeling I'll be removing my vote....in which case I have to find someone new.
I'm not so sure Clarity is a useful target atm despite looking fairly scummy---I'd probably want to hear more from him first. I also don't give SnB's entry nearly as many points. Koshi mabes? He seems to be a popular choice as of late.
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By 'push' I just meant 'bring up', really. Bad words I guess.
You're going to have to give me very specific reasons why Clarity is not a useful target, because I cannot see how he pulls this as town, at all. You going "um, ah, need to hear more" is spectacularly unhelpful.
Koshi is suspicious because he's struggling to get scumreads, when normally he's mad enough to think anyone is scummy. Unlike Prome, I don't see his kinda big attack on Prome into "meh, probs not going to vote" as any way townie, looks more like he wanted to make something out of nothing, but couldn't. Oats asks him for scumreads and he gives 3 or 4 townreads.
I'm interested in what rayn has to say about Koshi.
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I have a chessmatch, I'll be back in 5-6 hours. Have fun y'all xoxoxoxoxo
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It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure.
Regarding Clarity, maybe it's just a lack of confidence in my Ver-fu (even though I have had 'insta-scum' moments from single posts) but to me the disconnect you're voting him on (ie Clarity knows better than this) doesn't seem as strong to me. I've seen Clarity play and I actually could see him believing in his case despite us seeing otherwise because Oats is a lot of different things to a lot of people. That being said his case/posting is still shit, but I could see it being possible town-shit.
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Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome.
WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way?
I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something.
Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says?
I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything...
On an unrelated note (and i just post this because this is what has been bothering me in mafia sonce forever):
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 16:32 OOHCHILD wrote:On October 28 2013 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 15:57 OOHCHILD wrote:
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I have an important question for those who have not yet fully claimed.
Could your power belong to either town or mafia? Mine could. I would like to ask a counter-questions (which should answer yours aswell). What would be a role that could not possibly be a role for both alignments? Also why is this so important? After I answer you, this conversation is done as far as I am concerned. Just know that you should not expect me to answer any follow up questions you have.What would be a role that could not possibly be a role for both alignments?
I don't know. Also why is this so important? I do not trust you to understand this complicated idea, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it.Nice to meet you Raynpelikoneet. Your name sounds like it belongs to a species of beautiful, tropical parrot! This is the attempt I'm going to make to reach out to you. I'm doing so under the assumption that you're a new(er) player. Firstly, and it's been mentioned already, there is absolutely no reason to shut down discussion like you have here. If you're town, then being open and frank about your thought process is an exceedingly good way to prove your alignment, which is obviously a pretty damn important thing. Secondly, you have absolutely no reason to condescend to someone like you've done here. It might be vaguely understandable if you were a known excellent player who had the clout to condescend, but you aren't (as far as I'm aware). There is literally no benefit to belittle rayn like this while he is trying to question you. My problem with you, and it's a large one, is this. On one hand you are doing: 1) telling people how they will have conversations with you, arrogantly condescending to you and on the other hand you are doing this: 2) going "oh gosh, i want to vote for this player, how do I do it hehehehe?" (my sexy paraphrasing) This is a pretty unfortunate mix of arrogance and playing the newbie card. If you're town, shape up. Goddamn marv, i envy you. Purely because these kinda posts are the reason that makes me understand why you are listened in these games and i am not.
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On October 29 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure.
I am not sure what you mean by this? Do you mean me and Koshi should be pressuring each other? Or do you mean we should read each other as town? I really don't know what "all up in each other's butt" mean.
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I think he is saying that we have different opinions this game and that it is likely that we will be more likely fighting than working together. Which I doubt is true and I don't understand why he says that because I have been reaching out to rayn.
Last guy that was trying to come between rayn and Koshi was Vayne in Golden Sun. Just saying, just saying.
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And when people are not scummy I simply cannot make a case.
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On October 29 2013 04:21 Koshi wrote:
I think he is saying that we have different opinions this game and that it is likely that we will be more likely fighting than working together. Which I doubt is true and I don't understand why he says that because I have been reaching out to rayn.
Last guy that was trying to come between rayn and Koshi was Vayne in Golden Sun. Just saying, just saying.
I actually already wrote a more agressive post regarding this but deleted it because i was not sure what WoS does mean.
If this is the truth then WoS looks really bad. He is implying something we "should be doing" without saying if it's scummy or townie or whatever. Like saying "i find it odd these guys are not doing XYZ like they usually do in situation ABC" without really saying what it means.
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Koshi why do you think Pandain is not scum?
Also what does you having hrd time finding scum this game tell you?
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Yeah, I wonder why WoS said that. Please explain.
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On October 29 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why do you think Pandain is not scum?
Also what does you having hrd time finding scum this game tell you?
I don't think Pandain is scum because he gave me a townread. I just liked how and when he did it.
There are multiple games in which I don't instantly find scum. I will point it out when I see something, I am always transparent with my reads. I'll see if I can make a quick list where I am standing.
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On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something
Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread.
I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.
For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow.
I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is:
On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently  The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall
It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it.
Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it.
This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more.
While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless.
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On October 29 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless.
The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke).
About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available?
To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same.
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On October 29 2013 05:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something Sorry, you got lost in the shuffle. I saw your point about Pandain's initial attack, but didn't respond directly since I was trying to catch up on the rest of the thread. I concede your point on Pandain's initial attack. That was obviously a joke and Pandain should definitely have dropped that line of attack. We were talking past each other a lot earlier, as I was focused primarily on your delegate/undelegate and you must have been focused on your joke.For the record your delegate/undelegate still bothers me. I looked through your arguments and your only defense when Pandain brought it up was to deflect attention by bringing up his fixation on your first joke action, so I don't think this is particularly resolved (though you obviously undid whatever it was). That said, with Pandain and Clarity_nl up on the chopping block right now that's a matter which can rest until later, especially as marvellosity will possibly have some new insights on it tomorrow. I touched on this earlier, both in this post and in an earlier one, but I agree with Oatsmaster that Pandain's unwillingness to drop his vote when it was clear you were joking is suspicious. If that was all there was to it I'd write it off as a mistake, but he came out with that weak "late night emotions" excuse, and since hasn't been doing a good job arguing in his defense. He's got one post and all it says is: On October 29 2013 00:40 Pandain wrote:On October 29 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 29 2013 00:19 Seuss wrote:On October 29 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Sorry man Seuss, I have problems explaining myself coherently The Prome and WoS was something I was thinking about. It's alright, it doesn't help that my pace is apparently half that of the thread so I'm constantly playing catch up. I agree with you that Pandain's vote on rayn is bullshit, but what are you going to do if Pandain drops it? How critical is that vote to your read? With how the argument is set up Pandain looks pretty damned either way. If he keeps his vote there he's scum because it's stupid, but if he retracts his vote it was under duress and you can still paint him as scum. I'm curious because outside of Pandain's odd vote and "emotional late at night" excuse I don't read his actions are particularly scummy. It doesnt matter that he drops it now. Its that he didnt drop it when it became very very clear that Rayn was joking. Yet problem is I found other reasons which were good to me and still were until he upped his game. First half Rayn was real poor play overall It's just another weak excuse. Maybe I'm misreading, but it sounds like he's saying his own reasons for keeping his vote on your are no longer valid, so why is his vote still on you? I don't get it. Regarding Clarity_nl, I understand why people think he's a decent target but I'm not sold on it. I do find his recent thread exit conspicuous and confusing, but as a scum play it's seems bad to run in, make people think you're scum, and exit stage right. The criticism of his initial post was warranted, but for most of his follow up posts if you'd hidden the names and made me try to choose between him, Oatsmaster, and you (rayn) I wouldn't have been able to do it. This is all made more awkward by the fact that neither Pandain nor Clarity_nl are here to defend themselves any more. While I was writing this we apparently started analyzing Koshi, so at least we won't be listless. The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke). About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available? To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same.
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And i did not undo anything, as i assume power uses cannot be undone.
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