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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:21 GMT
#862
On October 29 2013 13:23 Pandain wrote:
Sentinel is suspicious I agree and his alignment will hopefully be decided later on. I don't think why we should be suspicious of him is about how he reacted after having his powers activate, obviously they did and he was more than happy to have people activate them asap day one, so his reaction afterwards wouldn't really matter.

It's more his play afterwards
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 11:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 08:20 HotCottonCandy wrote:
@sentinel yes I'm a smurf but lets be honest here I am not using meta against anyone so it's not like I have a leg up. I'm simply pressuring you for your actions so far. Could you give me some scumreads or something that bothers you or anything?

I don't really have a problem with cleaning out the rifraff either and I'll gladly vote for OOHCHILD. it's essentially a random lynch with a bias towards someone being intentionally useless and I have no qualms about that.

sadface to koshi's list, pretty contentless bar a few people like WaveofShadow and Seuss. Decent enough I guess.

@Pandain I have a hard time believing you could make cases and write in detail yesterday while on meds. Seems like a strange excuse but whatever. Not here to judge on that kind of stuff but if it comes down to the wire it certainly wont help you.


I'll post some reads in the morning.

My vote on OOHCHILD isn't just because he's a lurker, but because he was actually really active until the day started. I wouldn't have a hard time believing he's a new mafia who doesn't know what to do.

If he were a blue I'd feel he'd be more floaty-in-the-background, like Chairman Ray in Noir.

On October 29 2013 08:53 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't understand the suspicion on Koshi, to me it looks like a carbon copy of his play as town in Noir. Maybe a shade more reserved, but still relatively casual, low-content posts. All that's left is him blindly tunneling someone.

It's interesting that you should bring this up - I gave koshi a contentious (contentious to me, because I felt like I was going out on a limb) townread, because I couldn't believe that Koshi would be *so* passive as mafia. And I was right. The problem is that this game feels somewhere in between, where he's not *as* passive as he was in Noir, rather just wishy washy and non-committal while perhaps trying not to look like that. It all comes down to degrees and interpretation, and my interpretation was that it wasn't the same and that it's somewhat suspicious.


IIRC he was shot in Thug Life for being too not-passive and he flipped cop. Maybe he's trying to compromise somehow? Not a fully evidenced townread, but nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes.

On October 29 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
Oh I forgot.
On October 29 2013 06:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son.

Unless I missed it, you told us the power would go off when the countdown reached zero, which it has. So what gives? What's the state of play? If you're not sure, ask the hosts. I want to know.


The hosts have told me that everything is going as planned and that my power has been accounted for. I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son.

Sleepytime


Almost every point in here is really really weak, and his previous posts were all like one liners after he was able to reach countdown zero.

We'll see what he does later on though to get a better grasp.
It was a bad idea of course to activate his power but what can you do.


I'm offended. That's the best I could hammer out in 20 minutes given what was going on in the thread.

Also

On October 29 2013 07:49 Pandain wrote:
Also Koshi I have a power to make you lose your vote so I would vote with a brain and actually decide for yourself who is mafia


What the shit fuck? This doesn't seem like a towny power at all. I like my vote and I like democracy.

On October 29 2013 10:00 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 09:47 Seuss wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
[quote]
Really?
Well I guess all of the smurfslips we've seen in past games are.....what exactly?

Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as.

I disagree, but like you said, inconsequential.
Convince me that Clarity is scum, marv.

I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes.

Too bad.
If you want me to lynch your target then you should be looking to convince me, no? I'm not convinced. Be back in a little while.

You, yourself, said "yuck" to Clarity's post, and since then, he just went to play dota and disappeared? Why aren't *you* convinced given what you've posted, or at least convinced enough to vote him over OOCHILD? That's really weak, WoS.

So Clarity pushing an obviously bad case makes him scum?
I see the point you make regarding he should know he's bad and not push it, but I posit that it's entirely possible that, you know, he wouldn't be pushing a bad case in the first place if he was scum because it looks like shit and would cause these problems for himself.

I agreed with your 'yuck' I am not convinced it's bad-scum.

And yet you're convinced enough that OOCHILD would make himself blatantly voteable by doing absolutely nothing and posting shit? That's more convincing to you? Ok Wave.


There's a notable difference between OOCHILD and Clarity_nl, effort. It takes effort to make an argument, even a bad one. It takes zero effort to do nothing and/or post utter shit.


But who is more likely to put in effort, scum or town.

And I don't mean a great deal of effort, I mean a moderate amount of effort.

Your argument goes both ways.


I'm actually thinking clarity is neutral if not town. I look in the mirror of Clarity's posts and I see myself. The exchange between marv and clarity here specifically because I have a soft spot in my heart for people who can't read the thread.

OOHCHILD on the other hand was actively posting in the thread beforehand then shuts up instantly, only making light conversation to try and ease the mood. Doesn't try to justify himself or enter the thread at any point. The only thing he really did was test out his time-zone thing(?) which didn't really end up helping anyway.

Ergo OOHCHILD is scum and Clarity is not.



But enough of that. You guys ready to know what my power does? It's been in the thread for a while

On October 28 2013 07:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep.

We'll see.


Merry Christmas
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:25 GMT
#864
EBWOP: soft spot in my heart for people who can't be active in the thread.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:29 GMT
#871
On October 29 2013 19:25 Promethelax wrote:
Why hold out on telling the thread that you were throwing something unknown into the ring, hmmm?

What the absolute donkey fuck was that whole post sent? You think clarity looks good for being dumber than usual and flailing where he usually stands fast...walk we through that with a little but of logic.


Well first I had to convince everyone to charge it up because I wanted to see what it does

Then I couldn't admit it right away because if it duds, nobody will charge it up a second time

Then I realized that the hosts said my power went through, so I don't have to hide my (lack of) knowledge about the power anymore

Ok. What games has Clarity been scum in, then? I think every time I've played with him, he's been town.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:29 GMT
#872
On October 29 2013 19:27 marvellosity wrote:
Ok, I got ninjad.

Again, the reason I'm voting Clarity is not because he can't be active. I'm trying very hard to be civil, but you are being all kinds of not-very-good this game, Sentinel. You're talking crap about Clarity, and you basically deceived us completely about your power. This is verging on policy lynchable by itself.


Talking crap? I didn't mean it that way. I was trying to defend him not attack him.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:34 GMT
#876
On October 29 2013 19:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 19:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:27 marvellosity wrote:
Ok, I got ninjad.

Again, the reason I'm voting Clarity is not because he can't be active. I'm trying very hard to be civil, but you are being all kinds of not-very-good this game, Sentinel. You're talking crap about Clarity, and you basically deceived us completely about your power. This is verging on policy lynchable by itself.


Talking crap? I didn't mean it that way. I was trying to defend him not attack him.

By talking crap, I mean you're saying nonsense.

Oh. That makes more sense.

On October 29 2013 19:27 Promethelax wrote:
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On October 29 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:10 Promethelax wrote:
Marv, I want your thoughts on ooh. You used to believe in a change in passion between pregame and game to be indicative of something. Not any more?

Could well be, still. It's hard to tell because it's not just a change in passion, it's basically not playing at all. It's tempting to kill him out of spite alone. I think he's a great backup lynch.


Would you use your wonderful sway over people to endorse the but about powering me up? If they do that I'll switch my vote onto clarity. ##logic

Sent: if you had no idea about what your power did than why did you not work to do anything in the thread?


I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:36 GMT
#878
On October 29 2013 19:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 19:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:25 Promethelax wrote:
Why hold out on telling the thread that you were throwing something unknown into the ring, hmmm?

What the absolute donkey fuck was that whole post sent? You think clarity looks good for being dumber than usual and flailing where he usually stands fast...walk we through that with a little but of logic.


Well first I had to convince everyone to charge it up because I wanted to see what it does

Then I couldn't admit it right away because if it duds, nobody will charge it up a second time

Then I realized that the hosts said my power went through, so I don't have to hide my (lack of) knowledge about the power anymore

Ok. What games has Clarity been scum in, then? I think every time I've played with him, he's been town.

Tell me, how am I supposed to differentiate between your claim of "curious townie" and "mafia douche needs to con town into powering themselves up"?

Tell me.


Perhaps I was just eager to find out what the power does. Perhaps I thought it would be less anticlimactic. Perhaps I could look upon who charged me up in retrospect and make inferences from that.

Besides I never have this much fun as scum.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:46 GMT
#889
On October 29 2013 19:35 Promethelax wrote:
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404332&user=Clarity_nl &view=all

Clarity as scum. Where he did nothing claimed to nt have time and got lynched.


Ok everything I said about clarity goes out the window. Now I have a slightly red read but I'd like to see how he proceeds from here

marv I'm not a liar. Lying implies I was saying something that wasn't true. In this case, I was simply hiding the truth. I even breadcrumbed it into the thread.

On October 29 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote:
Sentinel, tell me *exactly* what you know and do not know about your power please.


1. It's charged up, hosts said so
2. It's one-use
3. I have no idea what it does, when it will do, or to whom it does. I received no information about this part.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 10:49 GMT
#891
On October 29 2013 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
I'm probably not going to kill Sentinel, I was being annoyed. Sentinel, for my sanity, could you tell me your rolename please?

##Unvote
##Vote: Clarity_nl


Hashtag Addict. Or #HashtagAddict
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 11:40 GMT
#923
On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.

##Twerk

Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.

Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.

Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.

I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that.


I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 14:50 GMT
#1102
OOHCHILD how come other than that big post on Pandain, all you've been doing is asking other people questions?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 14:52 GMT
#1106
On October 29 2013 23:51 OOHCHILD wrote:
Because I'm not doing hard analysis today.


You're not doing ANYTHING today other than tunnel Pandain and ask questions
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 14:58 GMT
#1116
On October 29 2013 23:53 OOHCHILD wrote:
I have not just been asking questions. I have also been giving a lot of opinions and reasons behind those opinions. Read my recent filter. Until then you are on ignore.


Yeah and what does shun do, make you unaccountable for your actions?

Here is your page 3:
-Marv is scum because clarity isn't scummy enough
-Questions
-Refusing to consider clarity being scum and asking which is the more probable

Town clarity could exist but as it stands right now scum clarity would make more of an excuse to leave. He's usually much more active even when he's bored
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 15:05 GMT
#1128
Already updated Koshi

Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him

##Refudiate Oatsmaster
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 15:17 GMT
#1140
On October 30 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
I like how OOHCHILD says that he is a terrible lynch offering no reasons at all why. Man. Thats funny.

Also yeah rayn is right. I look more blendy as scum. And good as scum until like day 3-4.


Can't take it back now. I'm not one for careful action anyway.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 15:23 GMT
#1146
On October 30 2013 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 30 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 00:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him

This is so bad because he looks less dickish than he is in his town games aswell and he is less dickish as scum in general.

Could you push something please? Thanks. Don't like that you're kinda spectating all this.

I am getting to that soon. I gotta eat first. But i want to lynch WoS or Sentinel, don't know which one yet.
Dick move analysis say Clarity is town and i do not like OOHCHILD lynch at all. Based mainly on his self-suicidal behavior and the fact that when i said "i could lynch OOH just because" earlier on, suddenly some people voted for him with zero reasoning. Those votes would have been easy for scum to call out people for in case OOH was scum but nobody did do anything about it.


How much investment does scum put into saving ooh though? IIRC we didn't do much for Cephiro in Noir, and Mocsta ended up doing the work for us.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 15:29 GMT
#1156
On October 30 2013 00:27 OOHCHILD wrote:
Why is he confirmed? I haven't seen any reasoning behind that so I have no reason to believe it. An emotionality that can easily be faked??

Why so happy pregame and not now? Maybe because I was trying to pretend to be a newb but I found it tiring.

Oh you are a smurf. I've lynched too many new players on their first game
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#1349
Start that bandwagon Seuss, I'm waiting

I'll be back home in 1.5 hours when I will post judgments of people
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 18:37 GMT
#1408
On October 30 2013 03:33 Seuss wrote:
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On October 30 2013 03:28 marvellosity wrote:
Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me.


He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again.

More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet.


Calm your jimmies, I am in the process of responding to it just like I promised
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 19:05 GMT
#1432
On October 30 2013 02:50 Seuss wrote:
I would like to prospose, so long as Wave doesn't continue his suicidal streak, that we arrange for a test of our voting powers, and lynch [UoN]Sentinel pending verification of said powers in tonight's vote.

I've selected [UoN]Sentinel for a few reasons. To summarize, he's obtained a power that he allegedly can't explain, when everyone else seems to have a clear understanding of their powers. He's defended his evasiveness on the grounds that he thought people would second guess themselves if his power didn't activate, when people started second guessing themselves because no one knows what his power does. Finally, he doesn't think he can be useful D1 because he "doesn't know how" when I, on my second game, am at least trying.

You misunderstand me. You can't second guess my power when it has already been sent in. Now that I know it's confirmed I can be fully open about what it is and how much I know about it. What have I to lose? I've even activated it.


I'd like to first draw attention to these two consecutive posts from him:


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On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.

##Twerk marvellosity

Anyways. I have a power that I would like some people to help me charge up.

##15

Here's the gameplan. To charge up my power, someone, anyone, posts ##14, then someone else does ##13 and so on. When we get to ##1 the power is charged and ready to use :D. You can post multiple numbers in the countdown but not consecutive ones. So you can do 14 and 12, but not 14 and 13.

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On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 28 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.

wtf is this reasoning?


KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES.

marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant.


[UoN]Sentinel's reasoning here is fine regarding Koshi and marvellosity, except he himself has yet to give any assurances his power is useful or good.

What followed was the reckless explosion of hashtags that set me off at the start of the thread. In the earliest part of the game where scum/town reads are about as accurate as a drunk man playing "Probably Archery", [UoN]Sentinel's power got charged thoughtlessly. This event has kept him, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet on my radar, because I view it as criminally careless at best.

Thereafter [UoN]Sentinel dithered on actually telling anyone what his power allegedly would do:

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On October 28 2013 07:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep.

We'll see.

On October 28 2013 08:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
No idea if hosts are away/busy or something wasn't sent in properly. I'm hoping it's the first.

I don't think Pandain's doing anything serious, just pressuring for information. Otherwise it looks like a really shitty self-justifying case.

On October 28 2013 23:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Phone posting from school, up to page 30

Here is what I can say right now

I've been pretty casual this whole game, down to making puns before game start. My absence is a combination of sleep and my phone freezing.

I already breadcrumbed everything I know about my power, but I still want to figure out where the hosts are before making a decision.


This is scummy play. Having said nothing about what his power does, he continues to leave everyone in the dark. We still don't know what it does even as I type this, despite many instances of mod presence in the thread. I won't iterate over every instance of his evasiveness, as I think the point has been made.

Without restating myself, I want to keep it a secret because if I don't, people don't charge up my power. This isn't beneficial to me, since the hosts have assured me they aren't bastards, and I hardly believe that I as a townie would have a power that would go against town wincon.


Moving on, I personally found this post rather odd:

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On October 29 2013 19:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:27 Promethelax wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:10 Promethelax wrote:
Marv, I want your thoughts on ooh. You used to believe in a change in passion between pregame and game to be indicative of something. Not any more?

Could well be, still. It's hard to tell because it's not just a change in passion, it's basically not playing at all. It's tempting to kill him out of spite alone. I think he's a great backup lynch.


Would you use your wonderful sway over people to endorse the but about powering me up? If they do that I'll switch my vote onto clarity. ##logic

Sent: if you had no idea about what your power did than why did you not work to do anything in the thread?


I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads.


This is my second game of TL mafia ever, and while I've been struggling I'd like to think that I've at least been useful at times. What I'm trying to do right now is correct a fairly serious error, rather than throwing my hands up in the air as if there's nothing to be done because it's D1. [UoN]Sentinel's position here works against the town, rather than for it.

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On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.

##Twerk

Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.

Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.

Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.

I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that.


I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.


There's also this post which caught my attention:

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On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.

##Twerk

Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.

Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.

Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.

I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that.


I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.


I don't find [UoN]Sentinel's defense here reasonable. Whether or not his power successfully activated is something of a sideshow to what his power is actually supposed to do. But he's hung up on the possibility the countdown was a "dud" and what that will mean when people were already second guessing because the end result of the glorious countdown wasn't a cool power but a dithering, sheepish poster.



The end result hasn't come yet. Haven't you been paying attention? I have no idea what's going to come but that's because I'm anticipating the mods coming in here and doing something interesting at some point later in the game.

I always throw my hands in the air D1 because it gets people to accuse me of being anti-town. This helps me make arguments because I know what I'm thinking, so I only have one other person to account for - whoever's accusing me at the time. (It also gives me an incentive to find time during the day to play this game) Shitty reason? Yes. But I have done this as town and as scum nearly every game. Also I'm an attention whore and my ideal game of mafia is where nearly every discussion is all about me.



Which brings me to OOHCHILD and why I think he's a scum.

What has he done this game?

This is 10 kilos of WIFOM that don't even do anything other than accuse Pandain by some weird hypothetical string of events. His point about Pandain being absent for the power-claiming was interesting in itself, but the part about mafia actively staying out of the spotlight because it attracts attention isn't true. That much is evidenced by everyone who questioned my ability at any point in this game. (Including OOHCHILD later on)

He then "shuns" people, which isn't a real power (not even formatted right), and is an excuse to not talk to them for whatever reason. This is avoidance that isn't even attempted to be covered up. Why would town willingly disconnect himself from people who he could possibly extract valuable information out of? The only excuse would be that he's really mad, but he's willing to engage everyone else:

On October 29 2013 22:24 OOHCHILD wrote:
Today I will be keeping up with the thread, but that's it. I do not have the time to do analysis today.
I will be able to answer any questions from any non-shunned players but I will not be able to go back and reread the game.

The reason why I am diffusing my available time in this way is because
1 I am kind of busy today and most of my attention is being occupied by something else.
2 I want to minimize my chance of being lynched.


He's willing to talk to others who he didn't "shun", which means that he's okay with staying in this thread and participating in a limited, no-threat manner. This is a problem. He's also refusing to post analysis for the above 2 reasons:

1. Thread presence isn't limited to analysis. You could pressure people. You can make people give you answers. You can vote for people who you think are scum, or place a vote to do one of the two above.

2. Any player worth their salt should instantly recognize why Point #2 is scummy.

I already addressed my concerns with his Page 3 earlier on. Our brief dialogue on it starts here and goes down to the bottom of Page 56, where he repeats:

On October 30 2013 00:00 OOHCHILD wrote:
I play the game on my on terms and if you can't deal with that then lynch away.
##Shun all of you baddies


I also have a problem with this:

On October 30 2013 00:13 OOHCHILD wrote:
I am a terrible lynch because I tried to clear the only alternative bandwagon. I am a terrible lynch because I have not been afraid to stick out. I am a terrible lynch because I have given plenty of opinions and also given reasons why I have those opinions.


His attempt to make clarity innocent was heavily biased and didn't consider the possibility he was scum (I already pointed this out). His "fear of sticking out"? If he truly wasn't afraid, what's the deal with all the shunning?

What's the deal with "I want to minimize my chance of being lynched."? The second sentence of that post is false.

Mostly all he's done is ask questions and push Pandain, but at the same time he's actually constricting himself by not giving opinions. Analysis is how you give opinions on the situation, or at least opinions worth taking into account. By not analyzing, you're staying opinion-free and safe from harm.

I would tolerate this from a newbie, but not from a smurf.

On October 30 2013 03:15 OOHCHILD wrote:
Seuss looks pretty transparent and town with his recent explanations. Especially for second game scum. Going back to WoS I guess. I would rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy though.


I have no idea where he pulled me and HCC from. A browsing of his filter, plus a Ctrl-F for "sentinel" and "cotton", reveals he only mentioned either of us during a) timezones (what was the end result of that?) and b) telling everyone who he'd lynch. No evidence, no questions, nothing but names on a list.

And if the rationale for including me was because I powered my list and left it ambiguous (a la Seuss, et al.) then that throws any semblance of reasoning for Pandain being scum he had out the window. Either way it's pretty hypocritical.

This is why my vote is staying on OOHCHILD.



On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
Reposting:

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On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.


Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?

I have no idea, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
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I'ma see what I can come up with on WoS that wasn't already mentioned by Marv. Or rayn.
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