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On October 28 2013 13:19 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:17 HotCottonCandy wrote:
I fail to see the light tone but I digress. random CAPS and -_- face and nothing to denote a joking tone does not look like joking to me.
If it's not convincing enough then I just need to try harder to find scum. Is not that, it's the casual manner he seemed to approach things in. There doesn't seem like that underplaying worry and over-shoulder-watching that you get with scum. I dunno, it's all feels.
Understandable and I respect people that can do that. I only know the way of the blade, dissecting posts and taking actions at face value to find out who doesn't belong in this town.
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On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote:
Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three?
I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment.
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On October 28 2013 13:12 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why?
Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now.
Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky. Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why?
I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there.
In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before.
So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment.
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On October 28 2013 13:17 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Above to Candyman and his Sentinel stuff.
Yeah you might be right about marv Prome. It just felt odd to me to ask something and when people do it then say "no don't".
Do you think Oats is scum? I dont know. And that worries me. He is talking out of his ass and spouting nonsense but he could easily be town doing that. Given that he is intentionally antagonizing me and I know I'm town and I know he regards me highly I give him a slight town lean over all. It's not based on his play in the least though. All mentality all day.
You mean he would not likely attack you in case he was scum? Or that points towards him being town more than scum?
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That said, what was with strongandbig's Vanilla Town claim? He just appeared, claimed, and disappeared. Is this another "that's just strongandbig" thing?
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Pandain since you are here, you have yet to explain the WoS read.
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On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote:
Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three? I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment.
And why did you choose to not power the other three?
I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv.
Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up!
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On October 28 2013 13:26 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:12 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why?
Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now.
Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky. Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why? I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there. In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before.So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment.
Could you elaborate on how, at this point of the game, this makes anyone scum?
What am i supposed to explain in my posts?
Some non-existent reads with little justification? Or what? If you don't understand my thought process you should probably ask me about it.
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On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote:
Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three? I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment. And why did you choose to not power the other three? I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up!
Okay so here is it in full. marv came up in thread with this:
On October 28 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
So... I'm going to need a bunch of you to ##twerk for me at some point. :/
Then he says this:
On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 06:34 HotCottonCandy wrote:
also marvellosity what does your ##twerk thing consist of? is this also something we should activate during the day? I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to.
And this:
On October 28 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
There's a somewhat subtle aspect to it that makes me want to leave it until later in the day, because in part it relies on my reads on players.
rayn thought process:
"marv needs people to power him up. There are other people who also needs powering up. Let's power marv up, especially when he suddenly doesn't want people to power him up, maybe... This is what most likely happens:
(1) marv is town, he does good stuff with his powers
(2) if he does bad stuff with his powers, or suddenly does not have a power-up power at all, he is probably scum
(3) something else, we gain info"
Now i do not trust Koshi's (or anyone's else's) ability to do good stuff on D1 or N1 with their power in this game other than you, myself, and marv (no offense to anyone).
I also powered up Sentinel because his power would be incredibly easy to fake as scum. "Hey guys, i only need 14 "votes" on me and then i can do good". I really want to know what he does, at worst, he is scum and something bad happens, but it's one time use (as he claimed - if he is lying, we lynch him) and i wanted to confirm that he is not lying and make him burn his power asap because he apparently thinks it's best to use now as he didn't oppose the powering. It gives me a much better read on him based on what the power is.
That being said:
##yolo Promethelax
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Ok koshi called me 3p for having a charge role thing. I dont know what it means, but generally town dont call people 3p day 1 because there is no way to know. Scum do know though.
I think Prome is scummy for giving both a town read to rayn and Pandain but not doing anything about Pandains scum read on Rayn.
However, currently I want to lynch Pandain because his vote on Rayn is total bullshit.
He apparently votes for rayn for doing an action that SOUNDS bad. This is important. Pandain doesnt know what Rayn's action is. All he knows is that it sounds bad. Apparently thats enough justification for a vote on Rayn. And when its clear that Rayn is joking, Pandain doesnt retract the vote like a normal townie, no, he finds other stuff to call rayn scum.
And that other stuff doesnt even make sense from a scum perspective.
On October 28 2013 07:42 Pandain wrote:Rayn is the scummiest player posting so far for a number of reasons. Using powers so fast, Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.
wtf is this reasoning? Mafia post to cast bad thoughts on someone without any want to pursue him. Buddying Marv. Not that he's for certain scum as I'm certain the majority of scum have not posted yet, but if I was going to guess one person it would be him or WoS.
So the first point is that Rayn uses powers too fast and therefore he is scum? What a jump in logic, again, Pandain has no idea what Rayn's thing on marv did. Also, Pandain is experienced enough to know that GENERALLY scum dont do knee jerk and stupid stuff, thats what town do.
ok 2nd point, yeah Sent is powering up marv not because he thinks marv is town. Thats bad reasoning and Rayn is right to call it out. But apparently to Pandain, Rayn's post is scummy for casting bad thoughts. But its accurate.
Also Buddying marv. Really? Really pandain?
Everyone including Prome should totally comment on this and do the action thing. ##Refudiate Oatsmaster
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On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote:
I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv.
I... I think you're talking to me here (I the resting seus, what does it mean?).
It's really hard to read marvellosity at the moment because all he's done so far is power someone else up, ask people to twerk him, and then ask people not to twerk him. He's a part of the whole powersplosion mess, which I don't like, but there just isn't enough at the moment to get a good read on him.
On October 28 2013 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 13:26 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 13:12 Promethelax wrote:On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why?
Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now.
Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky. Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why? I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there. In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before.So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment. Could you elaborate on how, at this point of the game, this makes anyone scum? What am i supposed to explain in my posts? Some non-existent reads with little justification? Or what? If you don't understand my thought process you should probably ask me about it.
Okay.
I didn't say it made you scum, just that I got a slight scum read. It's not like I went "QED rayn scum" and slammed a vote in your face.
Your post that most stood out to me was this one:
On October 28 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 08:01 Pandain wrote:
Rayn, assuming there is at least one mafia here(even me), who do you think is mafia.
And why. I have no idea if anyone here is mafia yet. How exactly am i buddying marv? And how do you even know i used a power on him?
I'll be honest and say this could be a perfectly reasonable position, and you could argue that Pandain might be trying to trap you, but it's still a short answer that doesn't say anything. The second question is also pretty bleh. It's obvious to any observer that you used a power on marvellosity and immediately unused it. Up until this point you didn't even try and pan it off as anything other than an "oops", and suddenly you're being all coy about it.
Questioning basic assumptions isn't the scummiest thing in the world, but in this case you just looked flippant and shady. I'd be interested to hear more on that point.
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On October 28 2013 13:48 Seuss wrote:---- Okay. I didn't say it made you scum, just that I got a slight scum read. It's not like I went "QED rayn scum" and slammed a vote in your face. Your post that most stood out to me was this one: Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 08:01 Pandain wrote:
Rayn, assuming there is at least one mafia here(even me), who do you think is mafia.
And why. I have no idea if anyone here is mafia yet. How exactly am i buddying marv? And how do you even know i used a power on him? I'll be honest and say this could be a perfectly reasonable position, and you could argue that Pandain might be trying to trap you, but it's still a short answer that doesn't say anything. The second question is also pretty bleh. It's obvious to any observer that you used a power on marvellosity and immediately unused it. Up until this point you didn't even try and pan it off as anything other than an "oops", and suddenly you're being all coy about it. Questioning basic assumptions isn't the scummiest thing in the world, but in this case you just looked flippant and shady. I'd be interested to hear more on that point.
wow wow wow buddy.
I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl.
Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers.
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And tbh Pandain should know i am the most likely person in this game to lie about using a power in the first place regardless of my alignment..
That's why the point he brings on me is extremely ridicuous.
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I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.
Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.
Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.
Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again.
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Oats i am not going to power you at least yet. We'll see about that later on today.
You look kinda town though, case on Pandain is <3
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Oh, point I wanted to make about koshi saying oats was 3p for being able to be levelled up by non town:
Koshi is scum.
I'll leave this to another power upper to explain as it should show them I am town and show me they are town.
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On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.
Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.
Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.
Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again.
##twerk
Since when are you good at blue Prome.
I really dont expect this from you prome. You shit on me for no reason, and you havent called me scum yet, but arent willing to argue your reads with me or do anything to convince people that someone else is scum.
You should power me because you think Im town and you havent said im scum.
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Just popped in to say ##Paranoia I don't like your play this game either Prom.
Your first post yelling at everybody not to be powering everybody up....I completely agree with.
I just wouldn't have expected it to come from you.
You take it a step further though---you say not only is powering other people up dumb, but you say it's policy lynchable.
Have you pursued this course of action in your questioning of all of the people who have done so thus far?
And THEN, not 4 posts later, you explain to everybody how to power you up.
This reminds me of the very first ever game I played with you Prom, LX, in which you created some horseshit RNG talk early 'just to get discussion started' and you were promptly lynched for it---and flipped red.
So Prome, your reads list at the start of the game. All I remember is you saying you'd lynch me based on my entry to the thread. I don't see you pursuing your policy lynches, your apparent scumreads or your 'discussion.' Funny part is' you never actually call me scum, you just say you'd lynch me based on me entering the thread and leaving, and even THEN you don't pursue it, and have not mentioned me even once since then.
Your activity is pretty fantastic and all, and I get that you think Pandain tryharding is also pretty fantastic, but that don't mean shit imo. It's funny though, you say you'd rather base your read of Pandain off of what you get from him this game only and ignore his past meta, but you're ok to base your weak early read of me on meta even though you haven't played a game with me in ages?
You are incredibly inconsistent just from your first few posts and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit sir.
Care to discuss?
##Vote: Promethelax
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super #mindblown by Prome's play today if hes town.
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