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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:17 Pandain wrote: I mean I thought it was a real power and it sounded deadly against Koshi. What was I supposed to do? Did it ever occur to you that i am not bad enough to use "deadly power" on someone based on 1 post? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:16 Promethelax wrote: Oats there is no case. WoS had two points, 1) the powering thing, already addressed. 2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain. Oh look, entire case refuted. Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote: I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town. Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n Oh so you are not confident in your read on me. I personally think its bad but whatever. Dont vote me, your loss. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that. He was scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote: I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town. Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers. Could you give me an updated read on Pandain? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I found WoS's first post scummy. I pursued Rayn on his powering people up but he gave good answers so I didn't want to lynch him. WoS is now back in the thread attacking and omgusing me, I still find that scummy. He read the whole thread and only comments on me, when I'm clearly pausing a town agenda which he even notices in his first post back but wouldn't have expected it from me. All in all WoS doesn't have anything g to say and you are parroting him because you are mad at me. Not because he has made good points, | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, no Prome. First, the section Oats outlined. Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet. Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning? Because I have never played with pandain before p, I cannot use meta when there is no meta. Are you fucking dumb? It was originally addressed to Rayn and koshi. I find Rayn town and koshi scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after. Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town. Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I still dont know who you really think is scum Prome, and it worries me. Also I've never seen this 'i dont talk about/to people who arent in the thread' attitude before. Sure not powering up people for lulz is townie but it also benefits scum. Although normally scum powers are better than town powers. I guess. I still think that your first post is not townie, its talking about game mechanics and nothing to do with who is scum. Which is the wincon. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:27 Promethelax wrote: Because I have never played with pandain before p, I cannot use meta when there is no meta. Are you fucking dumb? It was originally addressed to Rayn and koshi. I find Rayn town and koshi scum. I thought we were buddies. I'm not sure where this hostility is coming from, but I certainly don't appreciate it. I see you answered my questions, fine. When has you not playing in a game with someone ever prevented you from reading into their meta, Prome? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers. Could you give me an updated read on Pandain? I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative On October 28 2013 08:15 Pandain wrote: Alright here it is http://www.omgus.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=1204&p=51808#p51808 Tell me why and which alignment I think he is | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 28 2013 13:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain since you are here, you have yet to explain the WoS read. I already explained it. I said as an addendum that I was also slightly suspicious of WoS and I explained why. You then seem to not understand that I may have reasons for suspecting someone which are different then yours. On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote: And why did you choose to not power the other three? I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up! I saw a post which said "I'll talk to Pan when he's here" so figure I won't just randomly lurk. My vote is on him originally because he did a whole bunch of scum tells which are indicative of scum. It's not certain or definitive, but it's a read that I had. It got further bolstered by later posts until I had a realization about why he may have revealed his power to Marv, which means I couldn't make my original assumption of limited facts. I don't want to power up anyone because it's like the first three hours of day one. I don't mind other people doing it that much because I think it's retarded, because ultimately I don't think scum would be that bold trying to get themselves powered up at first(so first two are safe); although of course that's not definitive. If I had to power up anyone it would be Koshi because he's posting like a town Koshi for me. + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so here is it in full. marv came up in thread with this: Then he says this: And this: rayn thought process: "marv needs people to power him up. There are other people who also needs powering up. Let's power marv up, especially when he suddenly doesn't want people to power him up, maybe... This is what most likely happens: (1) marv is town, he does good stuff with his powers (2) if he does bad stuff with his powers, or suddenly does not have a power-up power at all, he is probably scum (3) something else, we gain info" Now i do not trust Koshi's (or anyone's else's) ability to do good stuff on D1 or N1 with their power in this game other than you, myself, and marv (no offense to anyone). I also powered up Sentinel because his power would be incredibly easy to fake as scum. "Hey guys, i only need 14 "votes" on me and then i can do good". I really want to know what he does, at worst, he is scum and something bad happens, but it's one time use (as he claimed - if he is lying, we lynch him) and i wanted to confirm that he is not lying and make him burn his power asap because he apparently thinks it's best to use now as he didn't oppose the powering. It gives me a much better read on him based on what the power is. That being said: ##yolo Promethelax Oh god this is awful reasoning I like Oats so far On October 28 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow wow wow buddy. I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl. Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers. Either you totally bullshitted and bullshitted for three posts which I couldn't know you were lying or it's super obvious that you used a power on Marv. On October 28 2013 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: And tbh Pandain should know i am the most likely person in this game to lie about using a power in the first place regardless of my alignment.. That's why the point he brings on me is extremely ridicuous. What? I agree with WoS Prom is suspicious. If anything don't defend me for try-hardyness. If I make a poor case, even if i seem to try hard, and keep going on it, and people in that situation if I made a bad case would easily refute me (wich dey didn't btw), then I shouldn't keep with it. Poor reason to defend a townie who seems suspicious (but really shouldn't be cuz if you look deeper he's town). See: All my games where I buddy a supicious townie r u On October 28 2013 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did it ever occur to you that i am not bad enough to use "deadly power" on someone based on 1 post? We see your play differently then. To clarify again for everyone early suspicions on Prom aren't substantial, yet. Just indications. Nothing will be solidified until probably after I wake up in 12 hours. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? Because oats keeps niggling at them, like he cares, like town. So I talk to him. The fact that you are being dumb bothers me, I didn't think you were dumb. So now I have to figure out if scum or dumb, which sucks, Sorry I'm being hostile, it's been a long day I had to hang out with my future mother-in-law and it was stressful. I'm going to grab a beer and tone it down a little. Seriously though, thinking I'd want to meta pandain when I haven't played with him or (maybe this wasn't clear and its why you are confused) read a game with him in it in real time is really silly. I love meta, dont get me wrong but I can't meta people with whom I have no history. Also I hosted your first scum game. You were a nervous wreck. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Because that's what was happening | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote: So prome, are you gonna tell us the answer to the first question you asked about Koshi? Which question do you mean oats? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote: I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative Tell me why and which alignment I think he is Based on the context and my thoguht process at that time i do not find that post alignment indicative at all. If there was something alignment indicative in that post, to me it would be that Pandain for some reason at first refused to give out the game (i am not sure if he did figure out what i was after in the first place) -- and that would point towards him being scum. But i do not think it's the case here. Why do you think that post is alignment indicative and to which direction? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 28 2013 14:37 Oatsmaster wrote: You like me Pandain but you dont care that I think you are scum? Plenty of people always think I'm scum. | ||
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