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This is my first game of mafia and I was told this'd be a good game to start as a newb. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote: None, in fact. Oh well its better than playing games with him. Hopefully he gets a ban somewhere If you don't feel like playing in a game with Palmar, Syllo and marv because of one guy that's just sad  | ||
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On October 08 2013 19:54 marvellosity wrote: "enforcing spamming"? ALL PLAYERS MUST SPAM Don't even joke about that. We all know what happens if players like me are coupled with a bunch of other players and make a deal to spam the thread into oblivion. Also I'm going to quote your 2 pms at some point to prove my clerverness and establish my gosuness to become townleader uncontested, no matter of alignment! | ||
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I assume quoting from house QT's insn't allowed, right? As with anything it's fine as long as paraphrased but not actual copy&pasted stuff, correct? This kind of has something to do with the above question but I just want to be sure about this before the game starts | ||
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On October 16 2013 02:51 Sn0_Man wrote: I-be-Pro is totally bh. If you call me that once more I'll slap you so hard you won't remember it saying it in the first place. | ||
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On October 16 2013 02:55 I-be-Pro wrote: If you call me that once more I'll slap you so hard you won't remember it saying it in the first place. | ||
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Actually I'm going by the assumption that they already know who I am (except for Palmar because he doesn't care enough to read) and don't bother saying so pregame, so if you read this please don't tell anyone before d2 pretty please. | ||
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If I'll roll town everyone's happy about this not being a topic if people ignore it because of my promise to tell you d2. No bullshit d1 => happy town If I'll roll mafia it's way easier to boss people around when they know who I am. So basicly my intention is to not have people guess about me because it should be beneficial to both factions that way (for me )I could tell some of you to check your Inboxes/Sentboxes at certain dates to give away who I am 100% clean to only a select couple of people but I guess that'd be against the spirit of the game although technically allowed. | ||
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On October 16 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote: Go on Koshi if you keep teasing me I'll sign up in the next game you play, kick you in the shins and lynch you for postcount reasons. In a nice way | ||
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Even asked if that's okay before I /in-ed to be sure. Well was hilarious either way. Btw the picture post was for you VE because I thought you'd remember that one. | ||
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I am town. | ||
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On October 17 2013 05:46 supersoft wrote: youre not in my house which is sad. can we all agree to reveal our houses and the members? 6 mafiamembers and 4 houses... its highly likely that they know the houses and their members... right? I wouldn't mind revealing my house. I don't see anything beneficial to it though. My house is rather boring. None of the "vets" is in there. Also I'm treating this house challenge as a 1v1 between Supersoft and me, the only two, male germans who can send in a line in german to the female, german host. | ||
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Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house. Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. | ||
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On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote: There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. The point I'm making is that it's a hosts job to answer that with no no matter what, even if that answer actually is yes. There never was a chance to get a yes out of that answer. On October 17 2013 06:52 supersoft wrote: can you give me the exact quote of his question? I tend to trust these noob-"slips"... ^_^ I'll tell you about my houseQT later, i wanna give my proposal from above (houseclaims etc.) some time. Maybe someone points out a flaw in my idea. There is no need to rush things... No I can't. Copy&paste isn't allowed, rephrasing is. It's not a slip. It just looks like somebody sliding by to me. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Skanjab1s "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" I actually agree with the bottom one and it's one of the things that came up in my head as well. I get that he didn't catch the no copy&paste rule. But I assume if he rolled town he at least would check on the number of mafias in the game if it's so plainly in the OP. AT LEAST when he's having ideas like that himself (his theory). When he posted it in the QT and I checked the number instantly because I was pretty sure I saw 6 mafia and wanted to confirm. I've seen this particular one happening from mafia at least once, might have been even me no idea. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:05 supersoft wrote: what where it that rule? you only said that posting PMs is forbidden... :-o It's okay though... I guess everyone should now talk in this thread. Use your QTs only for the absolute necessary things please. I need to see everything you're talking to be able to get a proper image of you. It's in towns best interest to share as many information as possible. I'm going to keep spamming in my QT. I treat my house QT as a nice chat with people to get a better read on them in person through casual chit chat. I can't just spam that much in here... I'm keeping it that way and I don't think you need to know when we're joking about the host being a german female and all that. Rather be happy that some people have additional info they'd otherwise not have if they're willing to put in some time that way. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:05 supersoft wrote: what where it that rule? you only said that posting PMs is forbidden... :-o It's okay though... I guess everyone should now talk in this thread. Use your QTs only for the absolute necessary things please. I need to see everything you're talking to be able to get a proper image of you. It's in towns best interest to share as many information as possible. I always get the feeling that people who are using phrases like this aren't actually part of town themselves. I'm pretty sure I would have said something along the lines of: It's in our best interest to share as much information as possible | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:24 I-be-Pro wrote: I asked the question pre-game clicky: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=7#130 About the above part: Fine. That's nothing like me. I post and hit post before checking preview most of the times without thinking too much about it, hence all those spelling mistakes & spam. You carefully chose to say many information instead of much information btw But I'm good with the answer. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote: you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest? Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:32 Skanjab1s wrote: (1) Not new. Odd in what way? (2) Your scumread on raynoshi is just because you don't know who is posting? Thats hardly a reason to think someone scum, especially since they have already stated earlier before the game started that rayn will put his name at the end of his posts. Why do you put so much emphasis on how that's not a reason to think someone's scum instead of putting emphasis on him doing it? It's a valid point you make but the basic idea behind it is completly wrong. I'm pretty sure a lot of people have seen that and yet noone is defending him because you usually don't want to defend other people in their stead; you want to see them defend themselves unless you already know their alignment. You ARE kind of attacking Zaragon but you're making a bigger deal out of defending here. Why? | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:41 supersoft wrote: lol why didn't they put you in my QT :-( Assuming syllo and I are town and we're both in one houstQT. As scum, would you post much in there? I am just wonderin why it's so quiet in my QT. :D I don't think I would behave any different as scum, no. I have like 50% of the posts in my house QT and it has 25 total posts right now minus a couple host/co-host posts. | ||
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On October 17 2013 07:47 Skanjab1s wrote: I'm not making a bigger deal out of defending. I'm pointing out the flaws in Zaragon's reasoning behind him thinking that rayn is scum. How can I be making a big deal out of defending the argument of "Rayn is scum because I don't know if rayn or koshi is speaking, even though they have said so before". Your scumread on raynoshi is just because you don't know who is posting? Thats hardly a reason to think someone scum, especially since they have already stated earlier before the game started that rayn will put his name at the end of his posts. The first one downplays his accusation, the 2nd one downplays his accusation again, the 3rd one is defending. What I'm saying is I usually like people a lot more when they have a somewhat agressive tone to them. Mafias have a hard time picking sides and accusing people because they have to make shit up. You're lacking the balls to call him out clearly for what he does. I don't mind you pointing out the flaws if you'd use it to attack him but you're just happy stating his flaws. | ||
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Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him. snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...) Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry. | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote: If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no? It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1. Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things. I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping | ||
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can't sleep. (0.5^4) would be take on it. the first 2 are a given because you can't place 2 people in 3 different qt's so you only have to place the other 4 constantly in the QT's that already have one mafia. That's the 0.5^4 part because you have a 50% chance to place someone in 2 out of 4 houses by chance. The "first" two don't mean the real first two but rather the first two that get a different result. So it could be AAABCD meaning the first 2 are A and B, A succeded to get placed in either A, A succeeded to get either placed in A or B, C and D did not. Super sleepy though. On a game related note: My role is probably anti-town as fuck. I'm in the same house as Mocsta. I am almost certain there's another anti-town role in our house that I currently have a town-read on. It's a bit of a guess. My role could me incredibly pro-town as well but seems very unlikely to me. | ||
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On October 17 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: you can definitely have 2 people in 3 QTs man. i fucking hate stats no I meant you can't have "Toad and Yamato" distributed in 3 different QTs. Toad and Yamato will either end up in the same QT or in 2 different QT's but never in more than 2 QT's because it's only 2 people, so only the 4 after that matter | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote: These thoughts are synonymous with my own. My additions: Koshi surprised me, not with the spam, but the early try-hard "case". Toad is in my house, and said hes in class. I liked Toad nitpicking Supersoft on the our/town thing. But i find it really weird his response to my SAM claim. In the QT/thread he claims to have an anti-town role; but is of the opinion that 3 people in our house could have anti-town roles. That just confuses the fuck out of me. I thought Supersoft assessment was on point for Toad. Hes on hold for now - and is certainly not worth considering. If Pandain wants to give Grack a meta read based on Thug Life. My personal opinion is that Pandain is looking better than he did in Noir. I will give him slight town lean based on meta; and hopefully he can firm that up as the game proceeds. On Yamato: Im at loggerheads. Im pissed he suggested I was scum earlier and am somewhat dismayed by his lack of aura/presence when entering the thread. However, I like his pick-up on Mattchew as I felt the same way. On Syllo: I don't get the feeling from this game that he is interested in solving it/progressing it. The pressure on pandain didn't feel natural; and was dropped too easily/conveniently for my liking. Has anyone here played with Syllo enough to confirm if he is a slow starter? @the above to explain my last post a little more because I was really sleepy back than. Basicly I'm saying that if you're stating the truth we have 3 anti-town town roles in our house. Let's say we have 1 mafia on top of that in our house. That'd be 2 pro-town roles who are town aligned, 3 anti-town roles who are town aligned and 1 anti-town role who is mafia alinged. Seemed way too much for me. I think I'm okay with it though as I came to the same conclusion Supersoft has had (on a different matter): The roles were most likely set up before the game started. Having above average anti-town presentation of roles in Slytherin doesn't actually seem that unlikely. Either that or one of my 3 assumtpions is wrong (1) my role is anti-town, 2) you are stating the truth 3) guy #3 is town as well) and I don't want to bother with these assumptions just yet when I have no idea about how to have a go at them yet. That bein said, like I said I'm good with it as of now. It just made me think a little yesterday. @Yamato: Your main problem with me seems to be that I'm only talking set-up and only following agression other people have put up. That is in fact a blatant misrepresention as the agression on the two people I've followed up so far (SuperSoft and this skan..guy) both times was innitiated by me. Holyflare and Supersoft mentioned that I created discussion and that we had pages of good discussion on those 2 guys (and me I guess). About set-up... you're the one who asked about the likelyhood, so please turn down the hypocrisy a little. I merely answered you while at the same time including a bit, fat On a game related note: to get away from that after answering you. I guess you're right though, I should have just ignored your innitial question and pretended to not have seen it... I did math at university so I kind of like those questions, sry.@Supersoft As much as I hate his vauge "Toad looks townie but he's super good at mafia so he might just be mafia", this could really be something from town Supersoft because I do get that a lot. Consider your statement about me to be true about you as well, in a way I'm thinking the same about you right now. I got the idea a town Supersoft would be more boasting around how he can read me but I'm fine with it right now, could have changed a little after things like BangBang Mafia On a related note for people who don't know: Supersoft is about massclaimes pretty much every game. He did the same in BangBang (and was town) and I'm pretty sure he wanted some mason massclaim in another game as well. He really likes massclaimes in general. @Syllo He is a guy who posts very little but posts incredibly good when he's posting. I see the very little. I'm sometimes seeing good I'm not really seeing the very good just yet. I always get the feeling that unlike me, he's on point when talking. He's not a boxxy-esque guy who just chats about what goes through his mind. If he's posting there's a reason for why he is. To me the ratio is a little off right now but it's d1 so I'll let that slide. There's no way I'll consider lynching Syllo d1 without a fricking good reason. Just finished reading what I missed last night and those are the things that I saw that could be answered without starting something "new". Going to reread some | ||
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On October 17 2013 21:45 supersoft wrote: hehe yes you fooled me in that game where we talked about burgers and you surrendered day2 :D and lol. i just thought about a massclaim in my QT :D seriously :D you remember that game where marv was picking on you based on something along the lines of (not an actual quote): "Supersoft tells the thread to not chit chat all the time and focus things but here we can see a barrage of chit chat with toad" ? I was mafia and got in the thread defending you based on something along the lines of "yeah but Supersoft and I have beef going on. That always happens when we're in the same game, as can be seen here *link to game with talk about WorldCup* and so on". And you were all friendly with me and I liked that as mafia. As town it's giving me the creeps right now. | ||
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I basicly told him that what yamato does, does sound like testing the waters (that was my term I used in the QT he used in here, as you guys probably know because it's a term I frequently use), he is hypocritical and he is very emotional. However while that's all things I don't like and the first one is something I consider scummy I really don't see him playing that way as mafia after fruity A townie can be hypocritical as well and Yamato has been mad about me. I think he even stated that in another thread + Show Spoiler + Champions mafia stating he never got lynched d1, marv said "yeah you did - fruity d1", yamato said "well that doesn't count because toad was a bitch" The testing water thing makes him scummy in my books because he's the unsecure kind of guy as mafia, both as not posting too much and as in actually being unsecure and that IS a sign of being unsecure. Him being emotional fits both plays. He could be trying to paint over his unsecureness if he's mafia or he could just plainly be emotional right now, which would be a towntell, so it's a null. All in all I have a slight scumread on Yamato based on what I see in this thread that is at least nullified, if not even going into a slight town read at this point based on the fact that while posting crap he actually is posting, which is something mafia-Yamato usually has a problem with. I stated that I'd have to reread recent games on Yamato in our QT before saying more about that because fruity was a while ago and I haven't done that yet but it's a nice thing to see someone come to the same conclusion. Anyways, now that I posted this wall-of-text might as well put it in here as well. I'm going back to my parents place, so I'll be afk for the next 3 or so hours and I just completed signing up for my courses this semester (deadline was today in 55 minutes), which is the reason for my most recent "lurking", being in irc and all but not being in here posting. Later | ||
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On October 18 2013 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote: [/b]Mattchew was lynched...about a year ago due to a self-aware claim day1. Sidenote, get your vote off me or re-explain why im scum. [big]Short answer is he sees a bunch of null tells and a couple town tells. ergo you're a townread. Grats. Palmar, you're not much for discussing closed setups iirc, but what do you make of Yamato and Mattchew outing their QT playerlists (Top of page 25)? If you'd rather not comment on this, can you do something other than sit and wait on mocsta's return? In other news, we're on track to policy lynch someone. Will it be the lurker, the troll, or the claimed self-aware miller? Yes that's the short answer. The short message trimmed down to what's important would be: I do understand why ska...-whatever is saying what he's saying and I'd agree with him if it wasn't Yamato we're talking about. The post about Yamato is about Yamato but more about the fact that I actually like ska....'s posting ever since he took the break and clamed down a little. I do like his case despite me disagreeing with it because of my game I played with Yamato so far. | ||
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On October 18 2013 03:07 Pandain wrote: Given the fact Palmar isn't going to do shit without X happening he's good chance of scum. Also I haven't played with him in forever but isn't he good on day one and nail people? I haven't finished catching up yet so no idea what you're talking about but yes, Palmar is usually very focused on d1. He has a somewhat gut-feeling-approach (not really but if you want to compare it with people like syllo it is) to it and his d1 reads are incredibly good most of the times unlike other vets that don't do a lot early on and become stronger later on (rad, foolish come to mind for example). d1 is when palmar is better than the average vet. Not that he's hitting everything on d1 but he's really good when there's still chaos going on. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=34#668 3 posts in a row: The first one iss somewhat decent, at least it's not horrible, The 2nd one is a "lol wall of text that I haven't read but I want to post about it!"-twoliner that, if I had to guess, has no other purpose than to diss me as in "lol Toad so stupid" without any explanation or anything else to it. The 3rd one is somewhat decent although completly wrong. You were hypocritic when you told me I'm speaking about set-up when you were the person that asked about set-up and I only answered your question... Want me to go back and quote it? You were talking set-up a lot more than anyone else in the thread in the first 12 hours. And it follows up with "That post reeks" without any explanation, thus you're emotional and I don't think I have to argue that at all seeing how you kept on posting the next couple of pages. Calm down, try to explain yourself or stop posting for the sake of telling people how mad you are about someone or something. I'm telling you this because I sadly still thinking you're likely to be town and that you think you're doing good when you're really not, so keep it in mind. | ||
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On October 18 2013 03:42 supersoft wrote: Ravenclaw: Onegu, syllogism, LastArgument, Tunkeg, supersoft, yamato77 anything interesting about Onegu, LA and Tunkeg in your QT happening? Can't judge Onegu and Tunkeg at all so far, got a good idea about LA. | ||
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Getting a neutral point of view from people is always interesting, so if you already read the thread on your own and are willing to chat gogo! | ||
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He usually was overwhelmed as town as well, he's posting a bunch more and doesn't make a lot of sense as town as well but I don't see that yet. Not enough wtf, my Toad-check came back as "I AM YOUR FATHER", he must be mafia because that's a common mafia role" ##vote Ceph | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:05 Pandain wrote: He's been making posts I really like in thread. He got super frustrated with me and Rayn for reasons I can see and appreciate now, and would have to have been a forced mindset if he was scum. Took it really personal. Apparently he was just too busy in life and didn't want to make a post yet in thread. QTs were more relaxed to him and a post in the thread would have been too definitive a statement when he wasn't really sure on everything going on. I'm pretty surprised at the plethora of people voting him who aren't in Gryffindor as he hasn't said anything then, right? Toad, why are you deciding on a man you haven't seen any posts of instead of doing actual analysis. A random lynch isn't going to gain traction and it shouldn't gain traction almost everyone has posted so far and it's a game that should be decided through analysis not random voting. Furthermore I have a soft town read on Rayne/Koshi, Koshi's posts were Koshi town and apparently Rayne agrees with my views which means even if he's scum he's working into my favor. I love StorrZerg's last post and he's town in my eyes. Which leaves these people: Sn0 Vayne Echelon Mattchew Onegu Tunkeg Palmar I-be-Pro Stutters JAT. Palmar doesn't fit into this list and is playing like his scum self. I don't like how he's attempting to hide information he has from the rest of the thread and hoping to get a last minute bandwagon, if even that. He seems sure Mocsta is scum and yet is waiting for a response, which indicates he wouldn't be sure Mocsta is scum. His play is flawed, illogical, and seems calculated and he should be voted. This is the same playstyle Palmar did in Thug Life where he acted aloof and distant. If Palmar wasn't a vet, he would be auto-lynched and the reputation Palmar has in this game suggests that he's playing exactly opposite of how he would want to as town. There are simply too many variables to make me believe Palmar is town. FoS on I-be-Pro for voting Ceph long story short: Like I said, I was really busy today with the 3 hour trainride, didn't sleep a lot because I stayed up until 4m yesterday when I had to wake up at 7am again to get to my math classes comming home to an empty fridge and all that so I haven't realy done anything today due to that and me being sleepy as fuck when it's only 22:00 over here. (Explaining what moeboats are to Oats in irc for 45 minutes straight didn't help either )A bunch of people I might have considered voteable are unvoteable d1 due to my role so I'm going for someone I know really well because we hang out in irc a lot, because I feel comfortable reading him in a short amount of time due to that restriction of mine. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote: The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were: Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective. I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread. I don't agree with hopeless at all. Neither sskanjabs nor yamato have contributed anything, they've posted but yeah, they're most likely town. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:24 Pandain wrote: But he hasn't posted anything in thread. [...] And if you read my post about him you'll see how that is exactly why I'd be okay with lynching him. He is a very quirky guy who doesn't give a shit about wether he's right or not, or wether he's catched up on the thread or wether he understood something someone else said, he'll comment on that either way. He'll look overwhelmed and won't make sense but he'll comment on it. As mafia he is overwhelmed in the fashion I see happening here. Not posting at all, being scared to come out in the open and all that. I don't see a reason at all why he should be fine to discuss in his QT but won't do so in here if he was a townie (especially considering who he is). I don't like the palmar lynch d1 out of nowhere despite me not liking Palmar right now. That can wait and I completly agree with Syllo, most people who are being active make a terrible target atm, maybe with the exception of hopeless but I seem to be the only one thinking that his "helpfulness" is faked or for the sake of posting. So yeah Cephiro lynch makes an awful lot of sense here. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:31 supersoft wrote: what do you guys think about syllogisms lack of contribution. Some people talked about him being a slowstarter earlier. toad? Palmar? I'm fine with him right now. I'm almost certain we have a mafia-vet in your QT though The lack of contribution isn't something that's concerning me comming from him. The questions he's asking are most times decent enough and they fit his style. And I really don't see a reason to even discuss syllo d1. If he doesn't die n1 we can start talking about him d2. We wait about syllo and see what to do about him later. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:37 supersoft wrote: who are the vets in my QT? Onegu, syllogism, LastArgument, Tunkeg, supersoft, yamato77 ? bold are the people I know played at least one thousand games here at TL.mafia... who looks best? who looks best as in who looks the most townish? You should probably ask the other question in your QT. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:51 supersoft wrote: I am asking you because you said one of us is scum. And Syllo looks okay. Does Syllo look better or worse than me/Yamato/LA whoever go ahead. From a towniness ranking I'd have to say LA>Supersoft>Yamato/Syllo>Tunk/oneg I don't want to lynch anyone of you guys today though. That an important decision is best made with more information and I could be reasonably wrong on most of you guys atm. I mean I know I'm not mafia, could be Palmar as well but it's just way more likely to be one of you guys although Palmar is the one looking the worst, but like I said I'm not willing to lynch anyone that important d1 with so little information right now. I also won't vote anyone from Slytherin with the exception for Mocsta. Not that I want to lynch Mocsta at all but I'll flat out refuse to put my vote on anyone else on Slytherin at this point of time. Thus the number of people who I have to work with is already reduced by 50% due to my stupid role | ||
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On October 18 2013 06:27 Pandain wrote: Arguments that x is too scummy to be scum are always incorrect it's not about him being to scummy to be scum. It's about Palmar being incredibly stubborn ever since the-game-before-L and L happened and he completly lost it when trying to change his meta to the point that he doesn't give a crap if he's not getting his way. He's not getting his way in this game either. If this was palmar refusing to play for no reason yeah sure lynch him but that's not what's happening. | ||
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On October 18 2013 06:39 Pandain wrote: If your waiting for the reason to be for no reason you won't find scum. Your voting Ceph despite clearly having time to go through some filters and while that's an okay choice it's definitely not a town choice or what I would expect from you. I know that Palmar or any of the vets for that matter will not just flat out not play for 3 days straight. Therefore I know my judgement on Palmar is most likely to improve a crapton in the near future and I'm more than willing to lynch someone else on d1 especially for that reason. I told you I'm really sleep because I only had 3 hours of sleep today and it's 23:40 over here... I'm waiting for emnjay to get on irc to watch IS with him and he said he'd be back in -10 minutes, so yeah I had time but didn't expect to have time and even if I had I don't think reading filters is a good thing in my state right now. Once that's done I'll be in bed. | ||
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So my QT didnt work last night, so I didnt really play. that doesn't really make sense to me.Also how can someone backpaddle from a slip into speculation? Is it a slip or is it not? | ||
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On October 18 2013 18:34 Onegu wrote: He knows it heavly themed because he is scum, when someone calls him out on it the only thing he can do is go to setup speculation. how does a scum know more about this set-up being heavily themed or not? How can it be impossible or at least unlikely for a townie to know that? I'm pretty sure it is heavily themed because it said so in the OP and simply due to the retarded role I got. | ||
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On October 18 2013 18:35 supersoft wrote: Can you give me the timestamps of when he posted in your QT? Actually I can't... Our QT was apparently compromised and had to be redone, so every post from yesterday is just copy&paste from the hosts with a "-Toad" added to it or something like that, so the timestamps are all fucked up. | ||
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I'm not going to vote anyone from Slytherin until I get that answer. | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:55 LastArgument wrote: I approve of this message, I was too hasty to be swayed by the big post last night. According to rayn, Cephiro posted more in the QT but not in the thread after his one post. Further his one post doesn't actually push anyone for lynch. In his towngames he seems infinitely more involved than this. This is also pretty concerning, and backs up syllogism's point about the list of names being weird. ##Vote: Cephiro Same here. So with the 3 of us and Supersoft all thinking the same way, only Palmar thinking Ceph is actually town I really like this lynch even more. | ||
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On October 18 2013 22:45 LastArgument wrote: This reasoning makes very little sense. Whenever you play with him as town he is active and involved, he is not active and involved here, therefore he is a bad lynch? That's backwards. you're reading it wrong I guess, I had to read it 3 times as well though. He's trying to say "ASSUMING he is town he WILL kick it up a notch, IF that happens he's town, if it doesn't he's mafia and we'll lynch him". Basicly saying he wants to see if this holds true for another day with really crappy wording. Like I said, made me stumble as well. | ||
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On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote: Because zaragon was my best scum read. Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. Did you say that somewhere? I just checked his filter to see if he posted at all and apparently he had 3 posts before being replaced out, so I can't say it's hard to have a "best scumread" on someone with 0 posts but on someone with 3 posts that I couldn't even remember is still odd I'd say. | ||
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On October 19 2013 00:11 Mocsta wrote: It's in my filter. Pretty clear. I'm on pho e and drunk. Can't be fucked looking Stop being lazy abd do a ctrl f playing dota, can't ctrl+f during captains draft | ||
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it's the not the only but one of the few explanations that's okay with palmars behavior while at the same time we have mocsta who is conveniently SAM. We're still lynching Ceph. I'm always right on my gutfeelings but no need to jinx it | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:05 Mocsta wrote: Right.. how about instead of trying to throw shit at me wearing a mask. You man up and and fabricate a case. I'm just saying it's a possibility. I had you has town so far but the scumreads I have just don't line up with palmar being in their. Could be I'm wrong about a read and that's why it's not lining up but I just put it in here to state the possibility. I'm not considering lynching you based on something like that, so yes if I'll have a go at you d2 or d3 I'll make a case. | ||
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##vote palmar That notesheet doesn't fit the reason we're lynching Ceph for. | ||
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Basicly I have a little extra to my role. I have a buddy. If said buddy dies I die, if I die he dies. That's why I said my role is 90% certain anti-town because at some point in time I'm just going to take another townie to the grave with me. I said 90% because my buddy is written in black letters. I don't know wether he's town or mafia, it could be I'm taking a mafia with me but from a numbers points of view it's most likely a townie. The reason I'm claiming this right now is that I have come to the conclusion that this is going to happen sooner or later anyways and I don't think the timing is going to make that much of a difference. I'm essentially giving mafia +1KP with my role but it's going to happen anyways and if we get some KP away from other people that way that's decent enough for me. I'm a green after all and hey, maybe the other guy's red after all. I'm pretty sure I know who my buddy is around now and he's going to be mad as crap about this but I don't actually have a townread on him so yolo all the way. That is by the way the reason I was so unsure about Mocsta's miller claim. Knowing my role, assuming there's a 2nd guy like that who's going to kick the bucket together with me, one or maybe 2 mafias in Syltherin and ON TOP OF THAT a SAM in Slytherin? Sounded like way too much anti-town stuff to me early on until I told myself to ignore it based on well whatever, it's Slytherin, where else if not in Slytherin should the anti-town roles be located Thaaaaat being said, I'm going to bed again and like I said I'll start rereading tomorrow and get as much out of this n1 as possible. TL;dr reasoning: 1) I don't think I'm the shining beacon of townieness atm 2) the thing will happen sooner or later anyways and I'm only a green 3) I might be able to take away a bullet from someone like LA/syllo that way which means mafia "has" to shoot someone they don't actually want to shoot. 4) I might even be targeted by some rogue townies the way I'm looking atm without this, which would be the most utterly worst case scenario because we're wasting 1 town bullet on a townie while actually killing two guys. I think one of my first post in the QT's was something along the lines of awww damn, I can already see this going down the same way as Arkham That's it from me for today, see you tomorrow. PS-pseudo-Edit: The most important thing here is that it's death and not KP, So no protection needed. Possible protection would deter mafia anyways, which is something I don't want, so don't even consider it. If they shoot me they shoot me and we have guys like Syllo/LA/Super alive. | ||
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On October 19 2013 16:49 supersoft wrote: sorry toad your claim right now is retarded. are you female? is grack female? + if youre both town. scum will shoot one of you for sure. 2 for 1 thats a great deal That's the thing. It is retarded but I've come to the conclusion that not claiming it would have been even more retarded given the situation. Rather get it out now than later on in a "but we still have 1,5 cycles left! No need to rush"-situation and bam, game over because I never mentioned it. Mafia will get that "great" deal sooner or later anyways because at some point I'm going to die or my partner is going to die. Now if I get shot by a townie or lynched instead of being shot by mafia it would be omfg-fucking-worst-case for us because mafia gets 2 with 0 bullets and the "great deal" you're talking about is something you can't do anything about anyways. About the guy who's being my buddy, I either know the guy 100% or someone lied to me in QT. To people asking about names: Don't ever claim your name unless you have to. Claiming your ability/describing your ability is fine but really don't ever claim your name. There have been roles in games that discourage role-claiming like the vig that can shoot multiple times but only if he knows his targets role-name from pokemon and so on. Your name is irrelevant either way so it has 0 advantages to claim it, seeing as chars like myself are town, while having possible, big drawbacks. But like I said I'm going to shower, go for a walk with my dog, reread as much as I can and give you everything I have later on. Most likely going to happen around 2 hours prior to deadline as a general idea + real close to deadline if I have something I don't want mafia to know before deadline hits. And well, there's still the possibility that the guy in question is mafia. Anyways mafia is going to shoot syllo, syllo needs protection. I'm trying to draw hits away from syllo with this. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + One being a "hi" post One telling me how there aren't that many characters in Harry potter and I shouldn't be fishing for them (the latter part is my interpretation) and One about my first post in this game as I said (I think?) something along the lines of "sup I am town" and how hard it is to play with me because of that One about being left out that I don't know what he was referring to. I didn't like the 2 in the middle at all. The "it's hard to play with you"-post seems faked and like a lie. The second one as it's just been flat out negative, I can't quote the phrasing but it doesn't look good to me. And I want to make sure that every single description I gave here for every single phrase he put in our QT is longer than what he really wrote. That's from the point of view you're not having, our QT. From what I've seen in here I've not seen a lot comming from him. I would have expected more being involved from him and it seems distanced whenever he's posting something, but like I said that's my gut feeling about him. He's the first guy I'll reread once I get back. | ||
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I'll post examples in spoilers: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 18:42 EchelonTee wrote: The post itself is useless but it has to be useless because someone has to do it. So it's not particularly telling for him at all, however the fact that no other Slytherin cared enough to get "easy bonus points" by stating that and being helpful makes THEM ever so slightly more townish. ET being the one posting this doesn't make him look bad at all, but it doesn't make him look better. Now my gripe with this one is the defensive/apologetical last line. There are people around who post very friendly and think it's proper manners (I disagree with that in a game of mafia) but if that kind of stuff happens a lot it's a mafiatell.Slytherin house is Mocsta, EchelonTee, Zaragon, I-Be-Pro, Sn0_Man, Skanjab1s btw. No idea why it wasn't posted yet. green color is for flavor inb4 tunneling + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote: While I disagree with the statement at hand because more posts does not equate more healthy discussion and the QT's are an amazing place to let out your urge to spam for players like me my problem with this is the 2nd part.I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used. "I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread", good to know, but like I said I like agressive tone in games of mafia and there's no need to soft-pad my or anyone elses shoulders like that. If you've got a problem with what I say say so and don't go "I think it's really stupid although he's probably going to be fine anyways" The last part, the part about the items reminds me an awful lot about mayor posts in the essence that it looks really nice to most people but it's utter garbage. He's saying he wants town to have more controle over items, which obviously will make people think it's a good thing but he himself should know that those "plans" never go through anyways. It's not bad but imo it's something he put the for the sake of looking nice, thus my comparison with mayor-election-posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 19:30 EchelonTee wrote: You stated: In exclusion, this statement directly implies that I dislike toad. When I first read this part I thought you were claiming I called toad scummy. Not a big deal I just didn't like the lack of clarity. Are you kidding me? I directly replied to one of Toad's post saying that I disagree with he said. Did I have to put "Toad, what do you think about what I've said?" to satisfy you? Also, my first posts will be about setup. That's how mafia works. Downplaying my analysis of the setup as a "generic observation", instead of responding to my actual content, is just strange. Toad is difficult to read. This is not news unless he has significantly changed his play. For those wondering, I basically stated "why do you claim town toad, it sux". You cut off the part where I directly quote him, just turn back a page and you'll see. If I directly reply to someone's post saying I really, really dislike what they said, then yes they are expected to respond. I feel like you're just wasting my time. You're trying to imply that I'm posting fluff and beating around the bush when I'm talking about something that is incredibly pertinent, the amount of activity in QT vs the amount of activity in thread. Stop it. Just quoted the big one to get the parts with Mocsta in here as well. Take note, that the bolded part was bolded by him, not by me and quite frankly speaking I completly missed that and didn't even catch it. That being said if I was expected to respond because he "really really dislikes" what I said, despite saying he thinks I'm good he should have pressured it. No hey toad you are supposed to answer this to me directly. He's talking about how I am supposed to answer it with Mocsta. I've already given my opinion on the town-claim part. I think it sounded fake, I don't think anyone in here gave a crap about me getting in the thread stating "sup I'm town" and I'm pretty sure everyone thought it's a null that I would have done no matter of alignment, yet he's telling me that it's making me hard to read for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 19:53 EchelonTee wrote: unrelated to mafia: This is just how I talk in Mafia, Mocsta, I hope you don't take it personally. Again one of those defensive/apologetical posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 20:09 EchelonTee wrote: This clearly articulates why I dislike the QT activity that does not get fully transferred over to thread No it's not, it's saying "don't say it's his meta without explaining what his meta is". At that time it hadn't anything to do with QT activity at all, though plugging his own contribution is something a townie might do as well + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 17:28 EchelonTee wrote: I agree with the sentiment that it was weird that ET got mad and I thought it looked fake as well. He has been cool all game long and suddenly that very harsh line out of nowhere. I don't like his explanation "it's because it's my first game in a while" at all. Idk, I took a pause because it got very frustrating and I got really angry to cool off. I don't think you'll get more angry after a long pause at all, nor do I think he should have given an explanation about why in the first place. Again, it seems defensive to me. He would have been perfectly fine just saying he'll cool off but instead he opted to go into detail making it sound like he's scared about the question at hand.I'll admit I'm putting it on too hard which is likely because this is my first game in a while. I'll cool it. so yes, I mad + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 22:48 EchelonTee wrote: ...I don't even remember justanothertownie. It's really annoying me that the majority of Cephiro's posts are in QT. It'd be nice of 1 of Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie could do an analysis of Cephiro's in QT posts. The WHOLE point of ET d1 was something along the lines of: Don't talk in QT because analyzing someone in QT in unreliable because you are not allowed to copy&past thus exact wording get's lost and makes it utterly useless. Weird to ask someone to analyze Ceph when he thinks that's useless I really get the feeling he's faking like I said about the 2 QT posts and the one in thread someone else pointed out and he's very careful about looking good when it comes to "I think we should let town vote about items" and "inbefore people going to vote me because I made it green. That being said afk for an hour walking with my dog | ||
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On October 20 2013 03:00 LastArgument wrote: I'm not sure about Mocsta, some of his content looks ok, he's pushing and pulling and he seems to back down when it's reasonable to back down. Cephiro promised his play would improve so what happened yesterday wouldn't happen again; he hasn't posted since. LoneMeow isn't posting in our QT at all, in some ways I find this more damning than not posting in the thread - in Noir he claimed that he was intimidated by vets, so you think a QT would be the perfect place to get some thoughts down, but apparently not. Stutters looks bad, his contributions, what little exist of them, are quite superficial. It doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, but usually as town he has some quality of analysis that's lacking here. I don't think EchelonTee looks very good; I don't like how he misrepresented Onegu (I posted about that on Day 1), also Palmar didn't like how ET looked, nor does syllogism I think. Maybe he seems to be commenting on the game, yet not participating? Toad's roleclaim is rather odd and he's not attempted to insert himself into a kind of "vet circle" as he likes to do as town. He's capable of making earnest discussion as mafia; I've noted several people giving him townreads for things I consider quite null for Toad. I simply don't believe this post; it doesn't look like a genuine 'crazy' theory to me, rather it looks like someone trying to invent a crazy theory so that he looks like a townie with a crazy theory. I still have a lot of players who I'm struggling to lean much on either way, I won't list them here, although there's bound to be a couple of mafia in these people. I'm still somewhat town on Mattchew although I'm not sure about it, I'd like to see more of him. Dude I'm totally charming :3 Not actually sure if it's imperativ, so that's why. And actually I did that if you look back at my discussion with supersoft about how I said I'm pretty certain that there's a mafia vet in your house because there's only 5 vets in the game, me being one of them (obviously :3) and being town as well and everyone except for Palmar (who already flipped town btw) being in your house. About the capable yes but you know damn well that I've not been motivated at all in my most recent scumgames and it was easy as crap to figure me out. Likewise it was super easy to figure me out in the town ones, until I quit and all that. I could even quote something about that but you probably don't want me to quote stuff from other games that are 6 months old. Yeah the townreads from people who don't know me shouldn't be townreads but I'm happy for that anyways, I even told the people in my QT that that's not alignment indicating about me at all but no need to push fearmongering against myself in here. | ||
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On October 20 2013 02:36 I-be-Pro wrote: Honestly I've reread a coupld of things and I'm really not sure about a strong mafiaread right now. I've got a couple ones where I'd be "yeah could be mafia" but nothing to strong. The one on ET could be easily wrong imo, as I've been cherrypicking when writing about him, I'm still somewhat confused about Mocsta despite the green flip on Palmar, which completly busted my theory and reason to be wary of him but I'm not getting anything where I'd say "KILL IT WITH FIRE"... I'm probably going to post my trademark picture during deadline. Keep Syllo alive at all cost please. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J9PpOAu.png) ET is the guy I'm buddied with or someone in my QT lied. It could be possible that my buddy is mafia, a thought that crossed my mind is that maybe my buddy isn't in the game but that'd be kind of a bitch-move from hosts so I'm pretty sure that's not the case, also the fact that noone is crying or raging about my claim makes it somewhat more likely it's a mafia imo. I'd say ET has the best chance of flipping red. Not sure if my read on superssoft is correct, I'd say that's the most likely to be wrong out of the vets. Mocsta is neutral because I still don't like the SAM claim, his inthread presence is a slight townread which cancels that out. BH is hard because I think he's trolling and lying all the time, maybe it's him being my buddy and he just lied, idk. Ceph green solely because of the notes, otherwise he'd be yellow/orange. I'd put Vayne and rayn as slight townreads if I knew them a little better, which you guys seem to do, so I left them white because it's my first game with them and you seem to be saying they're playing to their mafiameta. I'd put them down as slightly townish without knowing them. | ||
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On October 20 2013 04:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Who's sayin i am playing to my scum meta? This is important. -rayn I remember people saying that some would instalynch you if it was one or the other part of you posting from d1, so that's why I left you out as neutral despite having a townread on you. On October 20 2013 04:39 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting. So yellow means scummy, yes? If so - why is ET the only scumread you are giving reasons for while discussing your townier reads more indepht? yellow is labeled as "somewhat scummy". Cephiro was the only one that got to orange so far and back to greenish-later on... Because like I said above, I'm really not feeling sure about those reads, it's what I think so far but I haven't found anything outstanding without cherrypicking, which is what I earlier today when going through ET's filter imo, which is also the reason he's only yellow despite being the one I'd be most confident about. | ||
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On October 20 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: Still there have to be reasons for you to paint those cells yellow, no? You discusses "hard" reads in this post anyways - why leave out your scumreads? I discussed those that were recently changed or I have multiple points of view on: Ceph from orange to green. BH from green to neutral Mocsta from green to neutral and for town inthread despite my ideas about his SAM. Vayne and rayn for being town imo but still being labeled as neutral because of what some other people said. snow would be yellow because he's looking out to much for "bonus points" by explaining shit all the time and being nice and all that. ET has got a post himself from me so read that Stutters because I'm underwhelmed by him storr, youe and hopeless had some edgy stuff that rubbed me the wrong way while | ||
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On October 20 2013 04:47 StorrZerg wrote: any reason to the ordering? idk kinda bothers me you don't have them organized by house. but thats minor and really doesn't matter i guess they're ordered by numbers... copy & pasted from op | ||
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