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On October 20 2013 08:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 08:43 syllogism wrote:
That Mocsta case on Mattchew is up there among the least convincing cases I've read in this game. It appears to amount to "mafia briefly discussed something fairly irrelevant with another player, therefore that player is mafia". Could Mocsta actually believe that is a reasonable reason for suspecting someone, not to mention be his number one suspect, or is that a case made by a mafia who is under suspicion and just had three of his teammates flip on n?. Syllo, You say you want to policy lynch me; and now you are talking about mafia mindset. What is your actual problem with my play?
I don't understand why you would want an answer to this. The policy lynch is essentially a joke and rationalization for the lynch in case I'm wrong. If you keep being active and actually showing interest in the game, I'll likely reconsider.
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Who claimed house cop? If there is mafia in hufflepuff, they know that already
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On October 18 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote:People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why. People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. SO;
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+ Show Spoiler +This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote:
@Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 05:41 Pandain wrote:So you've read thread but have no scum reads.  (in mafia game not irl) Furthermore, if you think Mocsta is town and he says what will be the logical thing trying to prevent future confusion if he's checked, then you will still policy lynch him, correct? Because that's the only result I can see from this coming, and you still wanted to lynch him. Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. . Implying that he has read no further in the thread, after all, you all soft defend him to stay in the game till later so why does he need to make any more effort now? There are 6 scum. Maybe he's found 1 of them. He could be doing SO much more to help us win this game than waiting for 1 person to return to answer a question. What if he returns and the answer was adequate but then it's too late for him to read up anymore?? Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this.
Stutters695+ Show Spoiler +Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote:
Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town.
I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 03:25 LastArgument wrote:On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote:
Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town.
I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. Um, how would you expect him to behave as mafia in this situation? As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too.
Sn0_Man+ Show Spoiler +Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's caseThe only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same. There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though.
Holyflare still seems mafia to me for this post, for these reasons
On October 18 2013 17:44 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why.
People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise.
That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game.
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There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet
When you say people are defending "slow" players, were you referring to Palmar? That definitely did not happen and never will happen. That defense was used to justify my play, but I'm completely absent from your post. You say that slow play meta is something you despite. Have you personally experienced this? I looked at your games and there's only one non-newbie game, so that seems like pretty strong choice of words. Another thing that feels a bit fake about the post is that you start by suggesting that people are "flailing like fish" but you do not know why, and then go on to say that you haven't found anything blatantly scummy. I'm not sure what flailing like a fish looks like in a game of mafia, but meaningless or even contradictory fluff never looks good to me.
The whole last paragraph of his post is essentially suspicious fluff
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On day 1 Holyflare was mostly focused on lynching a lurker, but he ignored LonelyMeow/Tunkeg, despite definitely being aware of him being in the game. In fact, this interaction he had with him is suspicious
Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote:I don't like things like this:On October 19 2013 03:48 LoneMeow wrote:
I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine.
I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it.
##Vote: Palmar What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too.
He doesn't specify whether the post is suspicious or not, just that he doesn't "like things like this". Yet he supposedly wants to ask the same question from Pandain/Grackeroni/Vayne
On October 19 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote:I don't like things like this: Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:48 LoneMeow wrote:
I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine.
I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it.
##Vote: Palmar What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too.
His suspicious interactions with mafia aren't limited to just Lonelymeow:
On October 18 2013 11:41 Holyflare wrote:@ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games. I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] +However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now. What I do actually want to point out though is: + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote:Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 01:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh i forgot something.
EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got?
-rayn This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe.
Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip.
He looks up Onegu's meta, concludes that ET's case is based on false premises, but then decides that he is worth lynching anyway due to the lack of activity. The spoiler tagged comment at the end of his post is completely nonsensical. Why would you point out that something is either a mafia or town slip?
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On October 17 2013 15:46 Pandain wrote:
To add to this, I think there are better targets then Grack for right now, I'm waiting for a response to my question for him which will either solidify my town read of him or possibly rescind it. I'm not ignoring him entirely.
Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum.
Storr we will see.
And there are probably at least two scum in the lurkers, if not more.
First of all, it's now hard to believe that we ignored this guy. Secondly, this Holyflare mention is completely out of place and nonsensical and suspicious. He is "interesting" , but "will eventually slip up"? What? Pandain seems to have been fond of throwing out a few townie suspicions and one mafia for good measure.
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On October 20 2013 13:50 Sn0_Man wrote:We could also lynch losers like onegu and stutters who won't post...  Tho i wish cephiro wouldn't go back to "lol posting is for noobs" that almost got him lynched yesterday. Is he in the QT at all?
Lol sn0 I am here, but sorry when it rains I lose internet as it is starting to flood in thailand because of monsoon season. I think mattchew is the best lynch today as his case om storzerg was bad saying that storzergs case on Sn0 was really bad the when he unvote he puts his vote on sn0 and the reason was he was sheeping, plus I dont understand why ET was blank in his reads, when other people he wrote "nothing". Will catch up when my son takes his nap soon
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BH seems mafia as well and perhaps I'm wrong about Mocsta. His role makes sense since there is apparently a house cop around. I think lynching Holyflare is ideal as if he is mafia that comes close to confirming everyone else in Hufflepuff.
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I don't want to lynch BH because then we will not get amazing posts like this:
On October 19 2013 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 06:28 supersoft wrote:
why would you know, that i only wanted to know your gender. your name is completely irrelevant for me. classic pick up line imo
On October 20 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:
"oh i accidentaly posted a pm in the thread, that's something that totally happens! looks like I accidently get towncred *blushes*"
On October 20 2013 08:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Jesus you have ONE birthday and people never let u live it down
To kill BH is to kill the spirit of mafia.
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Yamato may be the third mafia.
His QT and in-thread content is very underwhelming and his activity dropped off the cliff. He made some excuses and promises regarding the activity on the QT, but if anything he has become less active. At one point early on he, without prompting, said that he will "look into and possibly make a post about" Holyflare and then a bit later concluded that he looked towny. That by itself may not be meaningful, but he hasn't really given any town reads and few reads in general.
I like the idea of the distribution being 2/2/1/1 as with Mocsta in Slytherin that would for the purposes of cop checks be 2/2/2/1.
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Holyflare who do you think the scum in Hufflepuff is?
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Well I cant even pretend to know who the remaining scummers are. Somewhat sad. I guess StorrZerg should be kept alive at all costs. But his role is quite powerful so I cant imagine there not being a framer or maybe an unaware miller left. Holyflare being scum makes me even more sad.
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On October 20 2013 16:55 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 15:46 Pandain wrote:
To add to this, I think there are better targets then Grack for right now, I'm waiting for a response to my question for him which will either solidify my town read of him or possibly rescind it. I'm not ignoring him entirely.
Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum.
Storr we will see.
And there are probably at least two scum in the lurkers, if not more. First of all, it's now hard to believe that we ignored this guy. Secondly, this Holyflare mention is completely out of place and nonsensical and suspicious. He is "interesting" , but "will eventually slip up"? What? Pandain seems to have been fond of throwing out a few townie suspicions and one mafia for good measure.
Btw at this point Pandain was being grilled by Holyflare. Might be the reason for that line. They had quite a big going back and forth between the 2.
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On October 18 2013 11:41 Holyflare wrote:@ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games. I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] +However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now. What I do actually want to point out though is: + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote:Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 01:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh i forgot something.
EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got?
-rayn This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe.
Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip.
Look at this syllo. Why would Holyflare do this? So crazy.
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Do what? Check Onegu's meta? Well look at what he is doing with it: nothing. He looks it up, concludes that ET is wrong and then decides Onegu is still a good lynch. Why even bother checking if that is going to be your conclusion either way?
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Oh wait you actually didnt like that post :'(
Mehh. I dont think he is scum.
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@ Skanjab1s Can I get a update on your sn0 and yamato reads? Im really interested in yoir yamati read because he hasnt done much of anything since n1 at all.
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On October 20 2013 22:04 syllogism wrote:
Do what? Check Onegu's meta? Well look at what he is doing with it: nothing. He looks it up, concludes that ET is wrong and then decides Onegu is still a good lynch. Why even bother checking if that is going to be your conclusion either way?
Yeah but if ET is your scumbuddy would you do it like this? Trash the case but still vote with him? Why destroy the case? Feels like he disagreed with the case but also found Onegu scummy/ worth pressuring. There is no further interaction with ET. Not a single remark that ET is scummy for being wrong. Wouldnt you do that if you knew ET was scum with you? Covering your bases.
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On October 20 2013 22:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 22:04 syllogism wrote:
Do what? Check Onegu's meta? Well look at what he is doing with it: nothing. He looks it up, concludes that ET is wrong and then decides Onegu is still a good lynch. Why even bother checking if that is going to be your conclusion either way? Yeah but if ET is your scumbuddy would you do it like this? Trash the case but still vote with him? Why destroy the case? Feels like he disagreed with the case but also found Onegu scummy/ worth pressuring. There is no further interaction with ET. Not a single remark that ET is scummy for being wrong. Wouldnt you do that if you knew ET was scum with you? Covering your bases.
If he is mafia, his motive was to "interact" with ET and provide some easy content that anyone can do regardless of alignment. He probably didn't even realize that it made ET look bad; he definitely did not trash the case. Anyway, neither townies or mafia play perfectly and consider everything.
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Anyway, I believe Storr's check and even without it there is almost certainly at least one mafia in Hufflepuff. I consider Holyflare, Hopeless and Mattchew the realistic candidates for being mafia in Hufflepuff and out of those Holyflare looks worst.
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