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raynpelikonoshi
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justanothertownie
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote: (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? I still think this is weird. As I said before gracks behaviour is perfectly fine in my opinion so that's not the problem but hopeless just jumps in and defends him. He just takes a wild guess at gracks motivation without letting the guy explain it himself. In what way does that make sense as town? On October 17 2013 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote: That's literally the point of the game. Skanj, take this as an opportunity to take a break for a bit. I think you're being overwhelmed right now and youre on tilt. You are not fostering productive discussions. Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment? On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one. skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly. VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case. ##Vote: VayneAuthority This is really really bad. First I think Vayne is known for trolling/being useless as town (especially Day1). This is a useless policy vote and I can't remember seeing a game where Vayne trolled like that as scum. Since that he only came in the thread to switch to Cephiro - the only strong wagon. He basically avoided trying to find scum and instead went on about policies the whole game while actually being in the thread. I realize that this is pretty much it. I really thought I saw some more things I didn't like yesterday but I couldn't find them again today. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On October 19 2013 03:48 LoneMeow wrote: I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine. I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it. ##Vote: Palmar What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On October 19 2013 04:16 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19840059 this is so de ja vu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20004765 Thats where i saw it. Very similar to how he talks about Palmar and then Syllo. Note: Kush was scum and JAT was town... does this mean palmar is scum and syllo town? This is really freaky the similarity.. my vote isn't moving. That's what i have been fucking saying all the time. -rayn | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote: I really don't like this threat...... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing. I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum. Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- The gap analysis is to assume its a "good" main character.. but its not actually stated at all. Sigh.. reading the Noir filter, hes a fair bit more involved in that game trying to save himself from the noose. But the structure of some posts is so identical its uncanny. Oddly enough, I try to replicate my town structure as scum... whereas, hes replicating his scum structure? + the rationale of his scum cases in Noir, have a similar rationale to this game. "useless filters devoid of pro-town elements" The only thing that holds me back about Cephiro is that hes taking a more martyr route this course as opposed to Noir where he was actively trying to divert the lynch. Its not a hold back enough to stop teh lynch though. Im happy with this, and am now goign to bed. 3.30am. ciao. | ||
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Holyflare
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Mocsta
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On October 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote: So thats some sort of post from yesterday or whatever? And now you dont interpret the quotes the same way?That's what I was going to write: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 07:49 Hopeless1der wrote: (From phone) Re: gracks indifference to the item. I think he is of the opinion that the houses are just a flavor thing and that we have no real way to manipulate the item/contest to benefit town by getting it all for his self. Assuming town>scum in each house the overall effect should be the same, no? Who cares if townie A or townie B gets it? I still think this is weird. As I said before gracks behaviour is perfectly fine in my opinion so that's not the problem but hopeless just jumps in and defends him. He just takes a wild guess at gracks motivation without letting the guy explain it himself. In what way does that make sense as town? On October 17 2013 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote: That's literally the point of the game. Skanj, take this as an opportunity to take a break for a bit. I think you're being overwhelmed right now and youre on tilt. You are not fostering productive discussions. Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment? On October 17 2013 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad is talking about Fruity and/or BangBang mafia. marv's comment was fruity iirc, but both of them were smurfs. Weird game, that one. skanj, re your (Case on Yamato post), I have no problem with Yamato's vote. The fact that he has refrained from voting his "FoS's" is more town oriented. He's maintaining a level head while communicating his reads and intentions. Like getting Vayne to man the fuck up and play properly. VA comes in, attempts to namehunt mocsta and trolls Yam a bit before peacing out. I wouldn't stand for that shit if it happened to me, why should anyone have to deal with it? I don't think Yam particularly wants to lynch VA over it, but I think he's willing to go through with it if VA doesn't shape up. He has my full support if this is the case. ##Vote: VayneAuthority This is really really bad. First I think Vayne is known for trolling/being useless as town (especially Day1). This is a useless policy vote and I can't remember seeing a game where Vayne trolled like that as scum. Since that he only came in the thread to switch to Cephiro - the only strong wagon. He basically avoided trying to find scum and instead went on about policies the whole game while actually being in the thread. I realize that this is pretty much it. I really thought I saw some more things I didn't like yesterday but I couldn't find them again today. | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On October 19 2013 04:27 Holyflare wrote: Oh, nvm that was JAT saying about emotions ~_~ You haven't voted yet JAT? Try again. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I'm sad that established TL-players are so confident in their "meta-gaming skills". Maybe they'll learn one day. Maybe. I remember being sad about it over a year ago when I went to the army. I guess things don't change that much. Someone asked me about my opinion on the Sn0_Man lynch, I personally think it's a mislynch. The flaws in his play are that he hasn't been very committal nor active at scumhunting, but the way he responds to pressure and says his opinions make me think he's town. As well as the fact that even though he is on my wagon, he doesn't seem to be very content with it. (Of course a townie has to put his vote somewhere, and scum pushed me up well enough to not leave many other options.) It seems like players haven't even considered other options properly. Someone suggested I should die, painted me to look a little worse than what I really am due to my lack of activity, and boom, case closed. Train full speed ahead. Gonna post all my reads now since I'm not very positive about myself surviving. Even though I am a main character, I don't consider my role extremely powerful, so maybe a worse mislynch may get prevented if anything. Since time is short, this is a straight copypaste from my notepad file. This is up to date to my first post only (page 42-ish), but holds very true. + Show Spoiler + Hogwarts Mafia Player list by house: ******************* Gryffindor: ******************* 1. Cephiro - Towniest Town Alive Give coin to Toad 3. Pandain - Probably Town 5. VayneAuthority (Ginny Weasley?) - Bad start in thread. Puts time into setup speculation. Fishes for reaction from yamato, tbh I like. Plays too ignorantly. 6. raynpelikonoshi - Pushes at start for bad reasons. Ugh. Why not push if you could? Too wishywashy. Makes me look bad on purpose. 18. Stutters695 - Null/Lurk 20. justanothertownie - super null ******************** Slytherin: Active QT ******************** 2. Sn0_Man - Good points. Sharp. Fluff. 7. EchelonTee - Wants to hear from Mattchew, good pickup. Good points. Shares his house, late in the game. Valid points. Defends himself properly. 12. I-be-Pro - Seems ok, good points. Pro-town. Setup speculation. Thinks his role is anti-town. 14. Skanjab1s - Suspicious question in QT, good logic but false example. Ambigious answers. Defends rayko after pressured by him. Tries hard. Crap. Not useful. wants to fill? Seems like he gets helped by scumbuddies. 16. Blazinghand 19. Mocsta - Self-aware Miller claim. Seems like town. Would fit within theme. (Good guy Slytherin looks bad because Slytherin?) Plays pro-town. Coin? ********************* Hufflepuff: G+2H lots of discussion in topic instead of QT.. good thing? ********************* 4. Grackaroni - Suspicious about his own house. Town w/ hopeless? Wants to stay under the radar. Town blue? Too easy townread on yamato. 8. Mattchew - Almost insta-jump on miller claim, nothing else. Weird.. Random jump to talk with yamato, nothing else. Weirder.. Just like really bad. Addresses all points made on him, but poorly. 11. Palmar - Jumps in to question Mocsta claim, nothing else. Sticks to that. Nothing else. EXTREMELY useless. Too focused on claim. 21. Hopeless1der - A bit more careful in the G+2H discussion. Town? Interesting ability speculation. Reasonable in his opinions. Coin? Maybe not very tricky? 22. Holyflare - Seemingly ok attitude about QT, weird defense on Skanjab1s Very concentrated on Grack/Hopeless about not competing. A bit too trigger-happy? Interesting opinion about not caring about what scum does? 23. StorrZerg - Asked about how much mafia in where. Same as Skanjab1s Seems to be chiming in for irrelevant stuff. Random Sn0_Man accusation. ********************* Ravenclaw: ********************* 9. Onegu - Useless, too many sorries or truly busy? 10. LoneMeow - 13. syllogism - Setup post that he claims useless, doesn't make much sense. Points things out favourably for his opinion. (Ignores StorrZerg comment.) Good points when it doesn't hurt mafia play. 15. supersoft - generally good vibe 17. LastArgument - Valid point, I like. Coin? 24. yamato77 - Just bad, shares information related to activity only. Filler activity. Does, doesn't. Notices Matt's buddying attempt, good. Wants himself to be analysed. Not pro-mafia. + Show Spoiler + REDACTED Suggestions(Townreads): LastArgument Hopeless1der Mocsta EchelonTee Pandain I-be-Pro Scum: StorrZerg Mattchew Maybe?: rayko holyflare syllo Palmar VayneAuthority skanjab1s | ||
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supersoft
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
"Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment?" Those are your words and you haven't voted. Ceph has been emotionally invested in his past few posts. What is your take on him? What do you even mean try again?? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 19 2013 04:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: That's what i have been fucking saying all the time. -rayn But.. too-dumb-to-be-scum... why the fuck would you do a literal carbon copy.. when so many players from Noir are in this game. I dont mean to exaggerate/be too rude, but if scum.. this almost can be nominated for worst mafia play of 2013. | ||
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supersoft
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justanothertownie
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On October 19 2013 04:29 Mocsta wrote: So thats some sort of post from yesterday or whatever? And now you dont interpret the quotes the same way? I think the same way but I don't think thats enough to lynch him (I wrote this while reading his filter again today). As I said I had the feeling there would be more stuff like this in his filter. | ||
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syllogism
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Cephiro
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Sn0_Man
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