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On October 22 2013 05:45 Mattchew wrote:
Mafia probably used the secret vote whether or not cr is scum... Either they delay his death or get a vig/lynch on a townie from the confusion and sketchiness
The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another.
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On October 22 2013 05:48 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 05:47 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 05:45 Mattchew wrote:
Mafia probably used the secret vote whether or not cr is scum... Either they delay his death or get a vig/lynch on a townie from the confusion and sketchiness The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another. Your assumption is exactly what scum would want with 2 townies up for lynch
Good thing two townies weren't up for lynch, then.
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On October 22 2013 05:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. I don't believe you. Show me the things Stutters was doing that were in your opinion scummier than what you posted on Yamato.
In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum:
On October 22 2013 02:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Well after catching up on Ceph and his role, I'm with Mocsta and still think he should be number 1 lynch today. This dude is simply not town.
Gonna go catch up with the other candidates, but I'm still for a Ceph lynch currently.
> Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph
On October 22 2013 04:14 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:Reading through stutters' filter, it seems he's posting just enough not to get modkilled. I'm comfortable lynching him. Since we have a lot of space after the N1 actions, it's reasonable to use a lynch or two to clear out chaff. ##unvote
##vote sutters695On October 22 2013 03:54 Mattchew wrote:
as of right now i am going to vote hopeless, i am treating Yam/CR as if they don't exist in this game because in my mind they dont, and should be modkilled hopeless situation will resolve itself though, right? I really don't like how this is worded. Based off of this post and your next post after, you imply I'm intentionally coasting by on the minimum to avoid a modkill. Given your considerable experience with me, you should know that as town I don't do that. I am an infrequent poster but I make my thoughts known (which I feel I've done with Ceph). Yet you feel the need to justify lynching me by saying we can spare(I.e. waste) lynches. Covering your ass for when I flip exactly what I claimed?
> Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all.
On October 22 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
CR: Read my summary of his actions in the Griff qt and it will make more sense.
> Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT.
Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels.
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On October 22 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't believe a townie would really think that. You thought Stutters was trying to direct people to read a summary in the QT that he never wrote in order to appear contributing. Come on. You have to die.
Then you're wrong.
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On October 22 2013 06:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 06:06 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 05:51 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. I don't believe you. Show me the things Stutters was doing that were in your opinion scummier than what you posted on Yamato. In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum: On October 22 2013 02:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Well after catching up on Ceph and his role, I'm with Mocsta and still think he should be number 1 lynch today. This dude is simply not town.
Gonna go catch up with the other candidates, but I'm still for a Ceph lynch currently. > Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph On October 22 2013 04:14 Stutters695 wrote:On October 22 2013 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:Reading through stutters' filter, it seems he's posting just enough not to get modkilled. I'm comfortable lynching him. Since we have a lot of space after the N1 actions, it's reasonable to use a lynch or two to clear out chaff. ##unvote
##vote sutters695On October 22 2013 03:54 Mattchew wrote:
as of right now i am going to vote hopeless, i am treating Yam/CR as if they don't exist in this game because in my mind they dont, and should be modkilled hopeless situation will resolve itself though, right? I really don't like how this is worded. Based off of this post and your next post after, you imply I'm intentionally coasting by on the minimum to avoid a modkill. Given your considerable experience with me, you should know that as town I don't do that. I am an infrequent poster but I make my thoughts known (which I feel I've done with Ceph). Yet you feel the need to justify lynching me by saying we can spare(I.e. waste) lynches. Covering your ass for when I flip exactly what I claimed? > Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all. On October 22 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
CR: Read my summary of his actions in the Griff qt and it will make more sense. > Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT. Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels. I don't think Stutters was towny but this is weak. 1) Stutters said he thinks ceph is town very early. Before the thing about his role occured. 2) A Misunderstanding. He told CR to read the summary he made of Cephiros posts in the qt. As in Cephiro posts in qt -> Stutters summarizes those posts in thread.
Yeah no shit its weak, stutters was town.
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On October 22 2013 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 06:12 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't believe a townie would really think that. You thought Stutters was trying to direct people to read a summary in the QT that he never wrote in order to appear contributing. Come on. You have to die. Then you're wrong. Honestly even if I'm somehow wrong I'm ok with that. I have never been more confident someone is scum than I am with you.
That is incredibly disappointing because I don't even see how I am that scummy.
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Hey Syllo, tell this man he's wrong!
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I'm just waiting for Cephiro to come in here and tell us that he is now an unstoppable killing machine.
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Why does everyone gotta not believe things? :<
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On October 22 2013 09:29 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually am doing some thoughts on skan and the D2 vote that's making me think he's scum. he claims his hands were too slow, but I'm betting he PLANNED to swap after the deadline and not have his vote count, but got surprised by the secret vote and stutters actually flipped. If stutters were scum I'd say skan is scum 100%, but stutters flipped town so I'm still thinking it through. I'm gonna have some dinner and put together some more complete thoughts on what happened with the D2 lynch.
(1) If I planned to swap after deadline, and yam/CR is scum, and the secret vote surprised me, then I'd be knowingly switching off flipped scum and onto town, which would only result in me looking scummy.
(2) The secret vote wouldn't have surprised me if it is a scum ability, because I'd know that it was going to happen.
(1re2) Last option, if I planned to swap after deadline, and yam/GR is scum, and the secret vote didnt surprise me, then I'd be knowingly switching off flipped town onto flipped town, which would only result in me looking scummy.
Now how would any plan related to me planning to swap votes after deadline be a scum move?
Naysayers with yo' naysayin'
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EBWOP: Off scum onto flipped town*
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I hate how you people put forward the "him showing up last minute was not a coincidence" as though it is a fact, it is quite annoying. I've already responded to all of these points, but ill keep going.
On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote:Skanjab1sSkanjab1s writes a case on Yamato and pushes him in the thread early day1. Eventually Yamato disappears off his radar. Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:47 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 19 2013 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 00:21 Skanjab1s wrote:
You didn't discuss it, you ignored it until Mocsta questioned you on it. False. I tossed it out there in the QT for opinions. Then I went to the thread, thought about stuff, and posted a list of lynches that soudned reasonable. Leaving out mocsta since he's got 0 votes and nobody in teh QT was discussing it with me (very short period of time here). THEN mocsta cried in the thread about the QT without even discussing anything in the QT itself, that was a wtf for me. I didn't ignore it I left it in the QT for discussion which eventually happened. You posted that you wanted to plynch Mocsta in the QT, then did not mention him at all thread. That is ignoring what you said in the QT. Obviously you posted about him in the QT initially, otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about him. On October 19 2013 00:21 Skanjab1s wrote:
It is scummy because you have:
(A) Already stated twice that you dislike any of the current lynch options.
(B) Refuse to give any input of your own as to why Cephiro is scummy. Even previously you say "Huh Cephiro looked like a good lynch too oh well". Also not offering any original insight. I never like lynch options day 1 because nobody's flipped. So what happened to yamato? He's sheeping the same case with the same lack of reasons, why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason? There are also many far more egregious lurkers than me. You still lack any reasoning that makes me scum, you want to lynch me for laziness over your longstanding scumread yamato and over all the actual lurkers. What gives? Classic "why me?" scum defense. I find yamato's reaction to my case acceptable. His sheeping onto Cephiro is not the most pressing concern to me at the moment. You are much more interesting, baby. When questioned by Sn0 Man, "why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason?" He says that Yamato's reaction to the case was satisfactory meaning he no longer had a scum read on him or wanted to lynch him.
As I've stated, yamato's reaction was not satisfactory, I assume that the reason I said it was is because I was focusing on pushing Sno_man and didn't want to get pulled off track.
On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote:Final reasoning for vote switch is terrible. He had actual reasons to believe Yamato was scummy and they were much better than his reasons to lynch stutters. Skanjab1s didn't even mention Stutters before his last minute switch. Also his reasoning directly contradicts what he said earlier. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet?
Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. he was very confident in Yamato being scum and I don't think he could have been as confident in his read on stutters based on the reasoning he put out.
For these points, you assume that if I am town I would play in a perfect pro-town way, which is just not the case. It was a mistake to change the vote from my long standing scumread yamato, to stutters, but that is what I did. While it was not the optimal/logical play, it doesn't make me scum, just town with a lapse in judgement.
On October 22 2013 11:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Beyond all of that other reasoning I don't believe for one second that him showing up in the thread in the last minute was mere happenstance. He wanted Stutters to be lynched but he didn't want to risk losing the town cred from pushing Yamato so he waited it out without posting thoughts in thread that may look bad on him later. I can see the secret vote and him voting doesn't exactly line up but these situations can be very chaotic and scum teams don't have perfect organization.
Like I said, I was reading the thread for the hour before, and only finished very close to the deadline. You even say that the secret vote + my after-deadline vote doesn't add up, but still try to reach for an explanation that would make me scum. Surely my scumteam would have mentioned that they were going to use a secret vote? I highly doubt that if I were scum I would be taken by surprise by it, it wouldn't have had to be perfectly organized either, I'd just have to look at the 6-6 tie and know that stutters would be lynched.
Also, although this is no consolidation at all, for future reference perhaps, as scum I'm a bit more selfish, I wouldn't jeopardize myself to save a teammate.
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(1) Those thoughts didn't swim themselves through my mind, but I dismissed the question from snoman nevertheless.
(2) You are not reading. As I have repeated multiple times, I only finished reading the thread very close to the deadline. I wasn't sitting around doing nothing. Just because I hadn't mentioned Stutters doesn't mean that I didn't find him scummy.
(3) Now you're just making up a fake scenario and saying I'm scum because the fake scenario dictates it.
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On October 22 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Skanjab
Did u find grackwron case to be a genuine effort?
Yeah, I do, it doesn't come off as scum trying to push for a mislynch.
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On October 22 2013 13:02 Grackaroni wrote:
There is a lot of scum motivation for you to stay out of the thread. If you come in beforehand and say you want to switch to stutters and Yamato is lynched you lose all of the town cred you could have gotten. If you you post beforehand that you still think Yamato is scum and continue to push Yamato then you increase the chance of losing Yamato.
The point on me not being in the thread is a matter of perspective, really. You see it as me purposely staying out, whereas it is actually me only finishing reading the thread close to deadline. There is not much that I can say to change your mind on this.
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On October 22 2013 13:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 13:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 22 2013 13:02 Grackaroni wrote:
There is a lot of scum motivation for you to stay out of the thread. If you come in beforehand and say you want to switch to stutters and Yamato is lynched you lose all of the town cred you could have gotten. If you you post beforehand that you still think Yamato is scum and continue to push Yamato then you increase the chance of losing Yamato. The point on me not being in the thread is a matter of perspective, really. You see it as me purposely staying out, whereas it is actually me only finishing reading the thread close to deadline. There is not much that I can say to change your mind on this. What can i say. It's hard for me to believe that you just happened to make a mistake where you vote Stutters with bad reasoning. (CR could be useful) - already contradicted earlier in filter. And that you just happened to show up at the end of the lynch and that your stance on the player you tried to move the lynch off of switches back and forth based on your interpretation of the same information. And when you give your reasoning for Stutters being as strong of a scum read as Yamato it's self-admittedly weak and it's clear you didn't even read through his filter/misinterpreted his posts.
(1) The reasoning wasn't CR could be useful, it was that CR looked as though he was going to do something, whereas stutters was doing nothing at all, and showed no sign that he would start doing anything.
(2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them.
(3) My stance on yamato doesn't switch back and forth, I think he is scum, why I stated that he reacted fine to my case I have already explained, although I think it was silly to say that.
(4) Yeah, I did not read through Stutters' filter, I didn't have time. The reasoning of Stutter's being as strong a scumread as yamato is self-admittedly weak in hindsight. At the time I did not think that was the case.
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On October 22 2013 13:21 Mocsta wrote:
I just reread slytherin qt.
After lastargument died. Skanjab instantly wondered if anyone thought stutters could be scum even though he was masoned to marv.
Bh instantly replies. Role != allignment
Point is. Did skanjab do anything to flesh out this read?
I'm on phone so it's hard to check filter.
No I didn't pursue it, I thought it could be likely given that crabb and goyle were different alignments, but there was no way to find out anyway.
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On October 22 2013 13:37 Mocsta wrote:
What does crab have to do with anything.
That's toad et.
This is bullshit now. U immediately suspected stutters of being scum regardless of being masoned with lastargument. And now self admit to doing nothing to develop this read. Then u end up voting him....
Ok. Sno agreed that stutters isn't instant town, but he's done more in the thread to develop his read than u.
Err, I don't see what you aren't getting. Crabb and Goyle are two different alignments, but flavourwise they are bestbuds. Thats why I thought that there was a possibility that Padma and Pavarti were two different alignments. It had nothing to do with my read on Stutters, it had to do with setup speculation. There was no point in pursuing it because there is no way to know if the setup speculation is correct or not.
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On October 22 2013 13:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:I have a problem. Why is Grackaroni saying to multiple people that they "tried to move the lynch from yamato/CR to Stutters"? That's a fucking misrepresentation. Although this is weird: Show nested quote +(2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them. Why was this a bad move? Do you think it's the absolute trith CR is scum? In case he is not, why was it a mistake to lynch Stutters over him? -rayn
Yeah I think CR is scum, I've had the scumread on yamato for a long time, and with the closeness of the lynch (and the quick vote changes to Stutters) it makes it very likely in my opinion. If he somehow isn't scum, then it was still a mistake in my decision making to lynch Stutters over a dude who I had read as scum for the whole game.
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