EPTOn October 18 2013 05:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm feeling a syllo palmar scum team right now. Lets kill those guys.
I'm feeling a syllo palmar scum team right now. Lets kill those guys.
I can't feel it. Could you be more specific?
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Need to reread more. but so far ##Unvote ##Vote Sn0_Man | ||
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On October 18 2013 18:33 I-be-Pro wrote: I do agree on Snowman a lot... but I really don't want to vote that Can you give me the timestamps of when he posted in your QT? | ||
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On October 18 2013 18:38 I-be-Pro wrote: Actually I can't... Our QT was apparently compromised and had to be redone, so every post from yesterday is just copy&paste from the hosts with a "-Toad" added to it or something like that, so the timestamps are all fucked up. what the hell... alright... | ||
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On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote: He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny what do you think about sn0_man | ||
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I have holyflare as town because of that one Post where he defended me for that "TOWNS best interest"-thing because I am not a native speaker. Apart from the fact that he defended me, his defense was quite reasonable and it's just not reasonable for scum to defend me. Another strong townread of mine is Grack, for being suspicious of Syllo and several other reasons. Being suspicious of Syllo only makes sense if you're not aware of the content in our QT. I am still suspicious of Toad, matchew and Cephiro But my primary target is sn0_man. | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:12 Mattchew wrote: Sn0 was/is suspicous of syllo... On October 17 2013 05:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Hufflepuffs r dweebs. Syllo's scum tho based on sucking up ro somtheing ??? that's what you call suspicious? Do you even try? | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:20 Mattchew wrote: Youre right, scum, especially lesser known players, love to poke at the best player in the game early that was like the 4.-5. post in the game. That wasn't a serious post. A serious discussion was first started in this thread, when I proposed, that everyone posts their houselist and toad asked whats going on in the QTs and he presented that skanjab thing. | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:26 Mattchew wrote: Yeah didnt realize it was that early, ill drop it thats nice, because you were wrong: On October 18 2013 14:06 Sn0_Man wrote: @Storr he obviously means Syllo and Toad have reputations as really valuable to town, otherwise he'd be more interested in lynching them. In fact Sn0_man only mentions Syllo once again, here! | ||
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How do you judge this behaviour? | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:38 Mattchew wrote: Idk im too busy being upset about re-reading my case on storr and having to come to the realization that LA is right and i cant really defend it against him just being new... what? | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:44 Mattchew wrote: Yeah w.e i should have listened to everyone early last game too ##unvote ##vote sn0_man I am stunned by your submission | ||
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On October 18 2013 06:58 Cephiro wrote: + Show Spoiler + K-pop is better than sex and I could die happy if I got a cute, cheerful Korean waifu. Okay, so yeah. There have been all kinds of claims about me and my participation in the QT, some more close to the truth, and some intentionally painting me in the worst manner possible. I want to clear that up, but I'll try to keep it short. Basically, today morning I made a short post with random fluff about my own life as the most content, with two points that can be considered relevant.
Simply put, as someone that studies statistics, I ran quick calculations and the chances of mafia knowing in which house each player resides is as high as ~91%. I mistakenly worded this the wrong way around in the QT (due to not having slept), which I'm sure everyone in the QT understood. Long story short, in my opinion the chances of mafia already having that information were high enough to basically guarantee that, and if town has the same possibility of gaining that information, they should. There may be roles that become more or less powerful with this information revealed, but I do not expect it to be substantial enough for it to be hidden. And after I made my thoughts clear, the houses and their players are all revealed, so this is mostly meaningless. I wanted to share this so you would know what I had posted, in the name of honesty, and possibly giving someone ideas to go by. The "additional posts" after that were mainly me raging since I got pissed off at mostly rayn, the way my actions were shared to the thread. The reason I originally didn't also post that short snippet of information I did earlier was that I didn't consider it very important, as well as I wanted to start the game with a proper, contentful post that other players could actually find useful, rather than random sleepy-as-fuck-thoughts. Also I've noticed recently that a bad start seems to haunt you way too easily for the whole duration for the game, thus I didn't want to handicap myself to begin with. This however didn't end up happening due to the actions of other housemates of mine, so I will have to live with that and make the best out of this entry of mine. In my apology-post in the QT after I had raged before I went for a k-pop pause, I also had a very short speculation about the setup. To share it with everyone, I basically thought due to the reactions of several other people talking about their roles and the setup, and knowing mine, that the setup is most likely completely pre-arranged. (Note: These are assumptions.) Such as: Draco Malfoy is always in Slytherin. Or, Hermione Granger is always town. This is not something worth looking into in my opinion, I was merely posting my thoughts out. As for why I don't consider it important, if I hosted a game myself I'd make sure that any role could be any alignment, simply to avoid "meta-gaming the hosts", since I believe that defeats the purpose of the game. And I find it likely even if most of the setup was made in a traditional, true to flavor manner, some side character at least would have a twist. In any case, end of beginning rant. E: Re-checking what I remembered, the rules state the mafia has been randomly distributed, which would make this speculation useless, unless you consider the possibility that hosts are lying to keep the option open even if it wasn't for balance reasons. Now for the players. After reading through the thread again slowly with a k-pop calmed mind I have come to the following opinions and conclusions: Mattchew: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote: a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? Useless observation, then a lynch poke in form of a question like he's unsure about it? Doesn't follow through later. His whole thread contribution is nonexistant so far. What I see is a completely random jump in out of nowhere, to try and buddy yamato. He notices that though, and things go nowhere. On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote: i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak Like really, what is the purpose of posts like this? What I find interesting is that he follows up with a "long" post where he responds to each accusation made against him... incredibly poorly. It doesn't even look like a defense to any extent. At the moment I'm leaning scum mostly since I'd expect more of him, rather than a completely useless, null filter. He hasn't really been pushing a pro-scum agenda or anything, but what ticks me off is the complete lack of anything pro-town. StorrZerg: + Show Spoiler + The definition of useless. All he has done in this game is to show up at a few random times to remind everyone that "I think Sn0_Man should die." And this ONLY post where he provides any kind of "content", is hilariously horrible. I'm not sure if he's even trying. It looks more like complete trolling, which is something we do not need. I mean really, check this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=41#814 3 Arguments which of 1st: Some random shit about flavour 2nd: A post read weird to him -> He checks post history -> Thinks it doesn't line up. This sounds like completely pulled from the ass, especially showing no example. 3rd: Lack of activity, which I can agree with. Not necessarily a scumtell though. What I wonder is why he chose to concentrate on Sn0_Man, when there are lots of players that have put out more content and can be made better reads on. It could be a case of bad town makes case on inactive town but... I have my doubts, since he has at no point in the game shown interest in anything else. Palmar: + Show Spoiler + As others have seem to noticed, he is completely fixated on Mocsta's self-aware miller claim. On October 18 2013 05:39 Palmar wrote: Nope, no current scum reads. What Mocsta did is only beneficial to him if he's scum, it's bad and awful for him if he's town. That doesn't mean he must be scum, I've seen enough people do dumb stuff as town. Which is precisely why I want to know what was his intention with the claim. He claims to have no scumreads at all, and he also hints at not having read the thread. Does not provide reasoning for possibly not having two. Doesn't appear to give a fuck about anything else but trying to figure out Mocsta's reasoning for the claim. What I am wondering, does Palmar really think he can't contribute in a better way with all the other content available? We have QTs and we have the thread which grows all the time. I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched. syllogism: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 14:33 syllogism wrote: I wouldn't bother with the statistical probability of there being mafia in only two houses. It's almost certain that roles have abilities that at least somewhat match their flavor and they were designed before their houses were RNGed. That is to say, mafia characters and roles were designed before any RNG and therefore their houses were not chosen randomly. Even if mafia has fake claims the same thing applies; the fake claims must match their house flavors and it seems very unlikely that those fake claims were designed after players were shuffled. All this is quite useless at this stage, but may have some utility in the end game if the game is close. On October 04 2013 05:58 You-Know-Who wrote: Each player is sorted into a house. Each house has 6 players. Players in the same house will be able to share a house QT. Mafia have been randomly distributed into each house. Mafia KP is # of scum/3 rounded up. 4 - 6 scum= 2KP 3 or less scum= 1KP What ticked me off a little about syllos play is this. The rules say that mafia has been randomly distributed into each house. That pretty much completely debunks his posts. I don't say statistics is something that should be trusted completely on, but given a 90%+ chance I think it's quite reasonable to factor in. It's not even close to a coinflip situation, so it's a fair assumption to make that the mafia has the information. I admit I made the same mistake at first until I rechecked the ruleset about this, but what I don't like either is the way he undermines his own post. If you feel it is quite useless at this stage, why share it? Or did he share just for the sake of sharing his thoughts, or does he actually believe this information may be useful in the end-game but not now? On October 17 2013 15:27 syllogism wrote: Do you genuinely think this is a list of "very good observations"? The only actual "observation" of any note and utility is the first one and I would like you to elaborate on that a bit. Did you believe he was playing his Thug Life playstyle when I initially asked as to why you thought he was "pretty obviously" town or was that based on something else? In this post he shares the Gryffindor members which hadn't been done up till that point. I fail to see how that is irrelevant to share with others. Syllo also completely disregards the last point about StorrZerg, which was very valid in my opinion. The usefulness of Pandain's statements can be argued, but in my opinion it's certainly more than syllo gives credit for. In general, syllos posts seem very calm and analytical. They get straight to the point and have anything unnecessary stripped of them. While this could be very good town play, I feel that these are carefully worded posts that leave anything that could be considered from a scum perspective out. This is partly since his posting gives me the feel of someone stating his opinions in many things, but it doesn't seem like he is actually trying to figure anything out. 4 other people I am suspicious of and will make small cases on unless I change my read strongly: rayko (rayn+Koshi) holyflare skanjab1s Vayne Also... I'm looking for smart lovers. Post your application ASAP. I know you can't resist my charm. It is the theme of the game after all. <3 the issue I have with his list of people he "analyzed" is that everyone had a certain opinion about these guys at this point of time. So Cephiro didn't bring anything new to the table and the post is not helpful at all if we want to get info about his alignment. He just summarizes the bits that were thrown around in this thread up to that point of time. His additional list contains only easy targets, too. Except holyflare. He doesn't really fit in there. But because Ceph doesnt give any reasoning for that list, we don't know why he made his way in there. | ||
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On October 19 2013 01:45 Grackaroni wrote: If only there was some kind of third alternative presented! do you doubt house ravenclaw? On October 19 2013 01:41 Sn0_Man wrote: So I have a problem with the current situation. If Cephiro is scum, its like very very likely that I get lynched today. That really isn't OK. And if he isn't scum then we are mislynching him, which is not really OK but less bad. So can we fix this by either getting more votes on cephiro, getting less on me, or coming up with something concrete on somebody? Something as simple as the 7 non-voters just placing their votes would be helpful. | ||
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On October 19 2013 01:47 supersoft wrote: do you doubt house ravenclaw? Sorry but they're both scum | ||
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On October 19 2013 00:06 raynpelikonoshi wrote: For some reason I cannot read and think at the same time today. Cephiro can save himself by posting. After that Palmar would be my second choice. On October 19 2013 01:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I am just waiting with anticipation what Cephiro will say when he comes back. When he says: 1) guys I have not read the thread because yabayabayabayaba. 2) I am putting my vote on snowman because I am town. If it is either of these 2 or both we lynch him no matter what. On October 19 2013 01:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: 3) If he doesn't come back we also lynch him. Deal guys? I just want to save this. I cannot follow your thoughtprocess. | ||
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On October 19 2013 01:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Dear supersoft. Please say what you mean to say. I don't read minds and can't figure out what your posts are implying. There is not much to say. You're playstyle at the start of the game made me suspicious of you and I still am. You could tell me a story why you disappeared when a serious conversation started and you delurked when storrzergdude called you out. If the story is good, I might buy it. | ||
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don't worry, thats because sn0 and ceph are both scum. I already posted that in the ravencalw QT: If both wagons are on scum, it's pretty hard for scum to push a thirdguy right away. You need to wait until the steam behind the stronger case runs low. | ||
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