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On October 18 2013 07:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Actually LA scratch it. Compare Cephiro's filters from scum!Noir and town!Aperture. Which one does his post look like?
I'm not going to go read other games right now, but the post looks markedly less whiny than the posts I read in LXII.
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In that case, you should be voting me as a liar, sir.
@rayn/koshi - I will wait to see what Cephiro posts tomorrow. One post does not a contribution make, that I can certainly agree with.
@Holyflare, while I admire your sentiment, I'm still not going to lynch someone I've played with several times to uphold your idea of good play. I either have a mafia-read on Palmar or I don't, and right this minute I don't have another option than wait and see.
I agree with your suspicions about Sn0_Man, he looks particularly uninvolved compared to his normal towngames and he doesn't have anything in his filter this game which suggests he might be town. There's actually a whole slew of players with a little contribution but nowhere near enough, I'll see if I can make anything of it tomorrow.
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But every time it matters, all my words desert me; so anyone can hurt me, and they do. So what happens now?
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On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote: Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny? he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning
This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made.
Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell.
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On October 18 2013 13:53 Mocsta wrote:The White Elephant in the RoomShow nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? (1) Why did I claim self-aware miller? Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote: I'm not sure if this is right play to do in a themed closed game. But in a normal I believe you are meant to do this. (2) Whats the point? IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town. I think you misremember; Palmar is and always has been staunchly against miller-claiming. He's the only one, however, so I wouldn't concern yourself too much with it.
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On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 18:36 LastArgument wrote:On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:On October 18 2013 13:25 Holyflare wrote: Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny? he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning This is not a great post. The reasoning was meh, because either mafia or town Palmar could make exactly the same posts as Palmar made. Irrationally defending someone who doesn't deserve to be defended isn't a towntell. He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny
It had already been pointed out in the thread what Palmar's attitude towards SAM claims is and was, the information wasn't new.
Further, he made that post pretty much in lieu of any other contributions up until this point.
A weak repetitive defence isn't a great basis for a townread.
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The thread does not need BH, apart from the fact he is one of too many players who haven't produced enough content to be judged on with confidence.
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So you're going to throw your vote away on your strongest day, Palmar?
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Matt, can you explain to me why any of the points in your case can't be applied to a new town player?
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On October 18 2013 21:15 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 21:10 LastArgument wrote: Matt, can you explain to me why any of the points in your case can't be applied to a new town player? I dont know how to answer this question
Well, it's one you need to find a way to answer if you want anyone to be convinced of your case.
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On October 18 2013 21:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 21:17 LastArgument wrote:On October 18 2013 21:15 Mattchew wrote:On October 18 2013 21:10 LastArgument wrote: Matt, can you explain to me why any of the points in your case can't be applied to a new town player? I dont know how to answer this question Well, it's one you need to find a way to answer if you want anyone to be convinced of your case. Couldnt you literally say this about any case against a new player
Yes, and if I ever make a case against a newer player (or anyone for that matter), I will attempt to explain why I believe it to be more likely to come from mafia than town, which your case does not.
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On October 18 2013 21:50 syllogism wrote: I don't think the big post by Cephiro makes him look any better. It looks something made out of obligation and the tone isn't what I expect from him based on the games I've played with him. He spends so much time on quite pointless defense. The activity and tone are the issue, not really whatever you are defending against in the post. Perhaps it would be more helpful in the context of your QT.
I also do not like how your reads are tugged near the end, spoiler tagged and definitely not the focus of your post. Again, based on my experience you are an outspoken player who pushes his reads. I'm not seeing this in your cases and in fact I do not know who you want to lynch.
Finally, I'm skeptical that the list of "other suspicious people" is genuine. The list of names does not make sense to me, because they do not seem to stand out at all as suspicious and in fact some of them have looked towny. It's a weird mix of names. His reads differing from mine isn't an issue, but that specific list of names is. It's also strange that you note that you will make "small cases on" unless you change your read "strongly". Awkward and fake sounding phrasing.
##vote Cephiro
I'm leaving in about an hour and will be gone for at least 3 hours. It's possible that I won't be back before the deadline, but I likely will be able to.
I approve of this message, I was too hasty to be swayed by the big post last night.
According to rayn, Cephiro posted more in the QT but not in the thread after his one post. Further his one post doesn't actually push anyone for lynch. In his towngames he seems infinitely more involved than this.
On October 18 2013 14:29 VayneAuthority wrote: There is one glaring contradiction he makes in the QT where he calls me "the most reasonable person in our house atm" but then I am a scumread in his post here...seems strange. This is also pretty concerning, and backs up syllogism's point about the list of names being weird.
##Vote: Cephiro
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I christen this the page of Ravenclaw.
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On October 18 2013 22:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Mocsta blatantly lied about SAM claims being the correct move according to Palmar (i.e. trying to use Palmar's video to manipulate him) I don't know why he'd be so bold as to use something that can be proven false without checking it, but it makes me want to lynch him. I need to actually read the rest of his content, but that caught my attention. Discussion starts around the 8 minute mark lasts maybe 5 minutes.
This is silly. He blatantly misremembered, not lied, and as you point out yourself, it's ridiculous to lie about something so easily verified.
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I already pointed this out in fact.
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On October 18 2013 22:41 Stutters695 wrote: Ceph: His post is really similar to his posting in Noir. Including how he attacks people who call out his absences, easy targets on d1, etc. He's probably my first choice right now.
JAT: I don't like a d1 lynch on him. Both games I've played with him, he was active and if he's town here there is no reason he won't step it up. There are better lynches imo.
Question Syllo: Have you thought about lynching me at all this game? Why push JAT over me? Our filters are pretty similarly worthless and I have just spent my last two games lurking as scum.
This reasoning makes very little sense.
Whenever you play with him as town he is active and involved, he is not active and involved here, therefore he is a bad lynch? That's backwards.
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On October 18 2013 23:16 EchelonTee wrote:On my Onegu case; it is true that Onegu has examples of being apologetic as both town and scum. I'll consider that aspect to be a bit hazy, but if you take a quick gander at his filter, you'd see that since he's been back all he's giving is town reads; no scum reads in sight. To me this is a blatant showing of non-contribution to thread, activity for activity's sake. This is a very strange misrepresentation of Onegu's filter. He has given out precisely one townread in the timeframe that you specified (Mocsta). In addition, he is questioning Mattchew on his motives, and it is pretty clear that he is not giving Mattchew a townread in his post, and is suspicious of him (in addition to being suspicious of you earlier).
Why are you stretching the truth? (I'm being generous to you)
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On October 19 2013 00:08 I-be-Pro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:05 Mocsta wrote:On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not? Because zaragon was my best scum read.Bh doesn't affect that. I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home. I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless. So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently. Did you say that somewhere? I just checked his filter to see if he posted at all and apparently he had 3 posts before being replaced out, so I can't say it's hard to have a "best scumread" on someone with 0 posts but on someone with 3 posts that I couldn't even remember is still odd I'd say.
You're voting for someone with one post...
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sn0 does look better, Storr looks worse for making a horribly superficial post right there, and I agree with Palmar about ET.
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