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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:31 GMT
#5061
Nvm what i said was the stutters lynch about being in a lecture. Lemme check
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 30 2013 08:37 GMT
#5062
You are right yuou didn't say you would use the vote.

On October 23 2013 07:27 Holyflare wrote:
.................... -.- is everyone lying about their roles then?!?!?!?!

Oh god this post is so very bad.

Why do you make my head hurt Holyflare?
fuck it.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Holyflare

I am terribly sorry if you are town, it just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense as scum either but if it doesn't make sense as either alignment has to be scum. Worked 2/2 in Thug life.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:37 GMT
#5063
Well i didn't promise anything i just agreed to use it on ceph. I must have forgotten because i was arguing and nobody reminded me till after deadline. However, i did use it immediately the next day on ray because of that mistake.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 30 2013 08:38 GMT
#5064
And of course this same self-preserving attitude resurfaced when Mattchew's house check was announced; Holyflare continued to pursue lynches outside his house while most of his housemates were focused on finding the mafia in hufflepuff. This obviously makes sense as they had more information about Hufflepuff members than other players in the game due to having access to the QT. The check did not appear to make Holyflare reconsider any of his Hufflepuff reads.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:38 GMT
#5065
Lol that's the post that made you vote me? So confusing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:40 GMT
#5066
On October 30 2013 17:38 syllogism wrote:
And of course this same self-preserving attitude resurfaced when Mattchew's house check was announced; Holyflare continued to pursue lynches outside his house while most of his housemates were focused on finding the mafia in hufflepuff. This obviously makes sense as they had more information about Hufflepuff members than other players in the game due to having access to the QT. The check did not appear to make Holyflare reconsider any of his Hufflepuff reads.


Yeh, ignore the case on mattchew for the stutters/ray lynch and ignore that i thought he was scum day 1. I've literally said it a thousand times.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 30 2013 08:40 GMT
#5067
That post makes absolutely zero sense given that you are at that time yourself lying about your role.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:41 GMT
#5068
I narrowed it down to hopeless or mattchew. Nobody wanted to vote either.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:42 GMT
#5069
On October 30 2013 17:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
That post makes absolutely zero sense given that you are at that time yourself lying about your role.


That's why i posted it??? "oh everyone is lying then -.-" why does that make me the scummiest? 4 or 5 people have done the same thing.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 30 2013 08:44 GMT
#5070
On October 30 2013 17:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 17:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
That post makes absolutely zero sense given that you are at that time yourself lying about your role.


That's why i posted it??? "oh everyone is lying then -.-" why does that make me the scummiest? 4 or 5 people have done the same thing.

Because you call people out for lying about their powers when you are yourself unnecessarily harcore lying about yours?!!??!!?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 30 2013 08:45 GMT
#5071
I just finished Onegu filter:

I disagree with Holyflare saying Onegu was unjustified on Mattchew.
The reasoning exists: Storr voted Sn0. Matt votes Storr; then Matt votes Sn0 --> the classic vote your scum reads, scum read.

That aside: I have some peculiarities with Onegu that I can reconcile

Namely

(1) Power
On October 25 2013 03:57 Cephiro wrote:
CLAIM RIGHT NOW!
On October 25 2013 03:58 Onegu wrote:
No, my abilty is still useful and I wont claim yet.
The phrasing suggests the power must be "ACTIVATED"

On October 26 2013 04:03 Onegu wrote:
Ok I am Cho Chang a vet that will be saved once if targeted by 1kp or less, by one of my many beaus...


Had to look up what a beau was...
Now his power is passive (as phrased by him).
I find this highly misleading. Given that he was one of the last to claim, the misleading factor of this is highly suspicious.



(2) JAT
On October 23 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:
when checking JAT last night nothing stuck out to me as really scummy.


becomes

On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are we lynching Cephiro now?
On October 23 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:
Who else could ne scum scum in gryffendor? JAT is a possibility to me but nothing really sticks out to me.


becomes:
On October 24 2013 00:00 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
JAT claims to have shot LoneMeow. There is no CC.
So it's Cephiro or raynko.

Lynching into Hufflepuff is silly atm. Imo the cop is scum or Cephiro is scum.

On October 24 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote:
Ok yeah then.

This attitude makes no sense. How do you go from JAT is 'OK" to lynch him, and then back to "OK yeah then" ?

The kicker:
On October 25 2013 05:43 Onegu wrote:
Could JAT be a SK that can hold his shot, or he shot someone protected, and that is why there is a red check?


This sequence of thought process makes zero sense.



(3) Skanjab
On October 22 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote:
Im going to filter JAT and skan tonight as I dont have a food read on either of them at this point.

into
On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote:
You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now.

As stated by Cephiro previously: Onegu does not follow up with this promise to read Skanjab.
I believe Onegu response was:
On October 25 2013 04:21 Onegu wrote:
4. Decided to ask him questions instead and get a better read, discussed a bit about this in RC QT.
Basd on the format of the reply its hard to ascertain if this was indeed the retort. Contextually it makes sense.
This is the only reference to Skanjab in that time.
On October 23 2013 23:29 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are we lynching Cephiro now?
On October 23 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:
Who else could ne scum scum in gryffendor? JAT is a possibility to me but nothing really sticks out to me.
Alarm bells are now ringing


On October 23 2013 01:05 syllogism wrote:
I just noticed that earlier on Yamato said on the QT that he would have honestly replaced out of this game if he was Mafia. Ouch.
On October 23 2013 01:08 Mocsta wrote:
If Yamato is then town; does this make Skanjab look better, worse, or indifferent?
On October 23 2013 01:12 Onegu wrote:
Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now.

On October 25 2013 00:06 Cephiro wrote:
He never mentions who this another flip is, or why it would affect his read on skanjab1s. He's just not interested in lynching scum.


Onegu replies with:

6. Still not convinced BH isnt scum. Agree with stutters a town BH protects a vet not rng.

7. The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory.

I have several problems with this.

Firstly,
"Better but there is another flip that if I saw I would give him a scum read. Talk about it after the resolution period. But unless both thos people flip tonight Im not interested in lynching him now."
We know Yam is town; so in essence he is stating that Skanjab becomes town. How does this even make sense? Theres no reasoning behind this, and in my opinion Yam being town makes Skanjab look scummier as this is his only contribution (other than a case on Sn0

Secondly,
"The other flip was BH as I thought one was scum but not both if BH flipped town then skan was scum. After the house check in griffendor I have revised this theory."
The theory is that one of {BH, Skanjab} is scum... again... we expect BH to flip town.. Skanjab now becomes town.
Further to this; Onegu states explictly in point 6. that he expects BH to be scum.

No matter what occurs in this situation, Skanjab is a town read for Onegu. A false dilemna indeed.

So who is Onegu voting for?
On October 23 2013 22:45 Onegu wrote:
##VOTE CEPHIRO

I get the thread is voting for Cephiro and he is following the check on Gryffndor; but the above is simply not congruent with his vote behaviour.




I believe scum is {Onegu, Skanjab, Blazinghand}
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 30 2013 08:48 GMT
#5072
Onegu did not at any point suggest that he had an active power, in fact he breadcrumbed it being a vet power on the QT. He said that he had a power he could only use once, but then immediately added roughly that "well, i can use it more than once but it hurts me" (not a direct quote). The way he phrased it sounded very towny to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:49 GMT
#5073
I fail to see how that's alignment indicative? It wasn't just a call out it was a semi admittance too.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 30 2013 08:51 GMT
#5074
On October 30 2013 17:49 Holyflare wrote:
I fail to see how that's alignment indicative? It wasn't just a call out it was a semi admittance too.

Why do you do this? Why do you lie about your power in the first place if you are town? Why o why? Because i do not see any reason to do so...
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 30 2013 08:54 GMT
#5075
When townies lie about their powers, they do it to confuse mafia or to gain information. Even Cephiro probably thought that he could attract a shot by pretending to have some incredibly powerful role. When mafia lie, they do it out of self-preservation. Attempting to equate all lies is incredibly disingenious.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 08:54 GMT
#5076
On October 30 2013 17:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 17:49 Holyflare wrote:
I fail to see how that's alignment indicative? It wasn't just a call out it was a semi admittance too.

Why do you do this? Why do you lie about your power in the first place if you are town? Why o why? Because i do not see any reason to do so...


Like syllo said, self preservation. I am confident in my abilities to scum hunt that I would like to stay in later in the game abd I find it unforgivable if a towny doesn't go down without a fight. If it meant i had to mislead people for a day so be it. I had no need to claim my power, i could have just said vt like grack.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 30 2013 09:03 GMT
#5077
You only claimed your real power because I called you out. I imagine the reason why you didn't use it on the day you were asked to was because you couldn't do it in the thread as you had claimed and you were hoping that people would forget about it.

Now you seem to be saying that a townie should lie if he thinks that not lying could make him look slightly suspicious and characterize that as "not going down without a fight". There is no way you actually believe in what you are saying.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 30 2013 09:04 GMT
#5078
On October 30 2013 17:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 17:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 30 2013 17:49 Holyflare wrote:
I fail to see how that's alignment indicative? It wasn't just a call out it was a semi admittance too.

Why do you do this? Why do you lie about your power in the first place if you are town? Why o why? Because i do not see any reason to do so...


Like syllo said, self preservation. I am confident in my abilities to scum hunt that I would like to stay in later in the game abd I find it unforgivable if a towny doesn't go down without a fight. If it meant i had to mislead people for a day so be it. I had no need to claim my power, i could have just said vt like grack.

this is a bad post.

very desperate appeal.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 30 2013 09:05 GMT
#5079
God i am off to bed as i couldn't sleep well and my head hurts..
Vote stands.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 30 2013 09:09 GMT
#5080
On October 24 2013 02:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 02:26 syllogism wrote:
If so, that's one of the worst lies I've seen. I didn't even bother asking you to demonstrate your power because there was no reason to lie about something like that


This is the 3rd "bending of truth" that people have done about their powers. You were on track to lynching me and my power looks very scummy. I could quite clearly have not said anything and just afkd today but I'm telling you the truth. That is why I'm equally confused about the secret vote on stutters. Why would i do that instead of voting myself as they were both apt lynches. I'm not intentionally hiding my intentions here.



Why are you bending the truth?
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