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raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 00:08 GMT
#2677
BH do you think yamato is town or scum by reading his filter? Don't take his inactivity after N1 into account.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 00:46 GMT
#2693
Two things that made me think yamato is town:
(1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum.
(2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum).
(3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 00:56 GMT
#2696
On October 22 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Two things that made me think yamato is town:
(1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum.
(2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum).
(3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are.

-rayn

I don't understand you were ok lynching him prior to the ninja vote and now you do not want to lynch him?

That was pure policy until CR started contributing and i think he will contribute later on aswell. I am nowhere near 100% sure yamato is town, but i am over 50% confident in my early read on him.
Why are people talking about the silent vote? It's not alignment indicative for CR.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 00:59 GMT
#2698
On October 22 2013 09:56 Mocsta wrote:
Regarding Skanjab and the last-second vote-swap.

On one hand,
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 05:47 Skanjab1s wrote:
On October 22 2013 05:45 Mattchew wrote:
Mafia probably used the secret vote whether or not cr is scum... Either they delay his death or get a vig/lynch on a townie from the confusion and sketchiness


The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another.
This is his last contribution before the lynch; and suggests no premeditation towards Stutters.

On the other hand, scum KP at 3 members is already 1KP for this cycle. Its a very risky move to hammer a townie (regardless of secret vote) for the benefit of 1 town lynch. I don't think the risk is worth the reward.

As scum, I have hammered a townie last-second before, but made sure I had a story backed up over the past 3-4hrs to why. i.e. the concept was premeditated and I could back it up.
Skanjab doesn't have this.

As we know with claims: typically the awkwardly revealed claims are usually from town, and the big spiels that are perfectly crafted are usually fake-claims.

Lastly, I have had a townread on Skanjab since his Yamato case, Day1. This has nothing to do with that he made a case on Yamato. It had to do with his approach.

I asked him int he QT his thoughts on Yamato. He made a semi-case of points that suggested a scum mindset. I said I agreed. When Skanjab decided to unveil his case in the thread; he actually fleshed it out significantly more than the QT. That effort is something I *FIRMLY* associate with town.
i.e. he had the confidence that his read was right due to QT talk, and then put more effort into the case. I find it hard-pressed to believe scum would have a mindset capable to do this.

Skanjab is town.

Wait what?
Assuming you are town and Skan is scum;

If i was in Skan's position and someone told me my case on a townie had merit i would totally expand it and post it in thread.

Did Skan push the lynch on D1? Did he push it on D2?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:00 GMT
#2699
On October 22 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Two things that made me think yamato is town:
(1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum.
(2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum).
(3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are.

-rayn

(1)Clearly, Yamato attacked Koshi via clear discredit attempt.

(2) So at least you can admit he was not overly trying to look townie.
Where is this town credit coming from then?

Did he really try to progress the game? His attitude between Champions game/this one are MILES apart.
His attitude between Noir/this game are MILES apart.

Do you disagree?

Probably because the Champions game. duh..
Do i look like i put the same effort into this game i put into the Champions game?
Is that alignment indicative?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:09 GMT
#2702
Well we have 2 games of data from CR. One town and one scum game. As he seems to keep posting we can judge the slot on D3 by his posts as people seem to be disagreeing with me on yamato. I understand i can be wrong on this.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:13 GMT
#2704
Btw Mocsta, to your second point. Koshi's post on Skanjab1s was really bad. I understand that if it was made by me yamato would insta-lynch me. That's only fair and imo pointed towards him being town.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:14 GMT
#2705
On October 22 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
What is your current read in vayne?

And onegu was town cos et went after him, right?

A couple of hours ago:
" I do not really see how you are playing. You totally stopped in posting here and your posts in thread are weak and you do not sound confident in your reads at all. It's not Vayne'ish to ask "who should i vote for". "

Undecided.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:16 GMT
#2707
I haven't looked into Onegu since i thought he was scum from his multiple apologies on D1.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:19 GMT
#2709
On October 22 2013 10:16 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Btw Mocsta, to your second point. Koshi's post on Skanjab1s was really bad. I understand that if it was made by me yamato would insta-lynch me. That's only fair and imo pointed towards him being town.

-rayn

Yeah but me and a couple others also wanted confirmation to whether koshi made that case.

The difference with yam is that he followed through with a discredit. Why would town need to say that? How does it help promote a positive sentiment? Further he doesn't even state why it's scummy enough to warrant a discrrdit.

That's what yamato does.:p
To me that looks more townie than scummy.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 01:26 GMT
#2711
I dunno what to think of D2 lynch. Stutters was useless and his pretty much only comment in QT was "rayn/Koshi are town". I know he sheeps me as scum, he even told me to bus him for it in Noir as he did that in Basterd game.

D1 lynch was absolutely horrible, and i don't even care to look at it because it was probably town-driven as i am pretty sure Cephiro is town. Who was the third wagon?

I dunno, i can read JAT tomorrow if i have time. Vayne will reveal his true colors at some point. I can reread HF too, but atm from what i remember he is town.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 04:38 GMT
#2740
I have a problem. Why is Grackaroni saying to multiple people that they "tried to move the lynch from yamato/CR to Stutters"? That's a fucking misrepresentation.

Although this is weird:
(2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them.

Why was this a bad move? Do you think it's the absolute trith CR is scum? In case he is not, why was it a mistake to lynch Stutters over him?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 04:53 GMT
#2749
Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on..

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 04:56 GMT
#2752
Oh god. What's the point of sacrificing 2 scum when CR is probably gonna die anyways tomorrow if he is scum?
You are seriously saying Skan saved CR and outed himself in the process when it's kinda guaranteed that a player as CR's caliber (no offense) will get lynched tomorrow if he is scum?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 04:58 GMT
#2754
On October 22 2013 13:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 13:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on..

-rayn

I did. Because you weren't specifically addressing Yamato but kept pushing forward other lynch options. I even asked you guys why you didn't want to lynch Yamato and nobody answered.

That's bullshit. I answered you as soon as you asked me. And your question was "why are you trying to dvert the lynch from yamato". To be specific:
On October 22 2013 04:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Question: What is with the miscommunication between you and Koshi.
On October 22 2013 01:15 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
Pandain buddying holy makes me lean even less towards holy can someone else confirm this is what happened

Last game Pandain claimed scum with his scumbuddy at the start of the game. He can hard buddy or hard distance from his scumbuddies. What he says about someone does not tell anything about their alignment, only Pandain's.

That being said i think HF is town.

-rayn

On October 22 2013 03:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 22 2013 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 22 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
On October 22 2013 03:15 Cephiro wrote:
Why aren't there more votes on Hope?

If I understood correctly, he claims his night 1 action was to put a cop check potion on Toad, and he got no results since toad died and was unable to chug the potion. (Irrelevant anyway due to the flip.)

Does anyone else see this as incredibly coincidental if we had a tracker that was aware of his night actions? I smell an easy lie here. More likely he just went and shot or killed Toad.

Yo that aint wat happened. He's making syllo invincible for a day as a check of his claim. If he's lying then we lynch him. For today, I'm letting him slide. Lynching CR seems good to me.


Yeah i mean if we plan to have hope and I use our powers, then either a) we've averted some mislynches or b) caught scum when hope or fails to save syllo. I don't think lynching either of us is a good move today (but then again i am a biased source!)

CR would basically be a policy lynch on a lurking replacement ._.

not sure if I want to encourage that idea ._.

how scummy was yamato before he replaced out?

Please read Holyflare. I want to lynch him. Or we. As in rayn and I.

Raynoshi also seems to me to be trying hard to push the lynch away from Yamato while saying they aren't opposed to lynching him.

I dunno. I don't think Holyflare is scum. Apparently Koshi thinks so. We have not discussed our townreads a lot.
We are not pushing CR lynch away. Stutters is a better target imo.

-rayn[/y]

Same bullshit.

[i]-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 05:01 GMT
#2759
On October 22 2013 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 13:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh god. What's the point of sacrificing 2 scum when CR is probably gonna die anyways tomorrow if he is scum?
You are seriously saying Skan saved CR and outed himself in the process when it's kinda guaranteed that a player as CR's caliber (no offense) will get lynched tomorrow if he is scum?

-rayn

I don't know what scum abilities each player has. Scum is in a shit position. Town is confirming itself just through roles and pretty soon other people will be ruled out from posts. scum can't afford losing anyone else at this point.

Did you even read my post? Do you think it's better for Skan to look better in comparsion to out himself by saving CR, who if scum, will get lynched tomorrow 100%?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 05:05 GMT
#2767
What's my power?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 05:07 GMT
#2770
I thought these people were Gryffindors...
rayn
ceph
vayne

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 05:09 GMT
#2776
On October 22 2013 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 14:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I thought these people were Gryffindors...
rayn
ceph
vayne

-rayn


sorry i mean hufflepuff, wishful thinking I was in a useful house

So how do you know JAT's power?
He's also a Gryffindor...

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 22 2013 05:12 GMT
#2782
HF if you keep track of powers and somehow know a lot of people's powers it's extremely unlikely you miss someone is alive in the game. Just saying..

-rayn
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