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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 21 2013 14:40 GMT
#2201
Mafia must know by now based on these hints. They know who they targeted and who died. I definitely believe Sn0, just saying that it's unlikely the mafia can not deduce what happened.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 21 2013 14:40 GMT
#2202
On October 21 2013 23:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote:
Sn0,

I dunno fi you can answer this but... did scum have to target you for this power to enact? Cos, I just find it weird that you would have been a NK target.

I'm claiming during the N2 resolution period you can wait till then. I'm not a lynch candidate and I don't have special information that should influence this lynch.

I bet I'm right and that Sn0 Man made people who target Syllogism die. Since he said it was like PGO.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 21 2013 14:40 GMT
#2203
On October 21 2013 23:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lonemeow's death is the only thing I can't personally account for. I'm assuming it was a vigshot as discussed in the thread during N1.

My read on mattchew has been town simply because of his actions D1 and how weak they would be from a scum perspective. Jumping between me and storrzerg, then begging ceph to roleclaim to save his life, it looked like things scum wouldn't do. I'm less certain of that now. You and syllo make real arguments for lynching him but I personally don't wish to lynch hufflepuff right now. Technically 1/5 is better than 3/17 but I feel like we can do better.

PS I have a lead on vayne I need to pursue, that guy may be scum or something.

Hmm, can you be a bit more specific?

My take from that is that you did something to a townie and then 2 scummers with 0.5KP killed themselves because of that. Add to that 2 townkills from mafia you are left with only LoneMeow.

Practical that means that Pandain and EchelonTee used their 0.5KP and you punished them for that. But that means that they had to use that on Toad otherwise there is 1 KP missing.

2NK
2 revenge kills on mafia using 0.5KP
Toad dieing due to 0.5KP
LoneMeow = ???

This means that Cephiro didn't do anything antitown yet. So why lynch him? Him not roleclaiming is fine as long as he plays the game and isn't a scummy fuck.

Toad died because ET died Koshi.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 21 2013 14:41 GMT
#2204
On October 21 2013 23:39 Cephiro wrote:
Matt is really scummy.

First, he was pretty useless during day 1. There was no scumhunting.
Second, his N1 reads are townreads instead of scumreads. (Town on Pandain, nothing on ET, nothing on LM...)
During this day there was a case on hopeless by rayko without any reasoning except that there is 1 scum in hufflepuff. Even now matt has provided no reasoning for being suspicious of hopeless, except that it was a case "centered around him asking a lot of questions but not furthering his thought process / reads through them".

And lastly, after this he claimed that the people he wants to lynch are in a guy who has done townie things and 3 nullreads.
(Onegu, JAT, VA, Yam/CR)

It doesn't make any sense at all. He says he want to lynch into those 4 guys, but thinks one is townie, one is afk but has thread snetiment, and 2 he hasn't read yet.

In short: Mattchew isn't doing anything.

*Candy given*


Why are you using my case as your own Cephiro? You ask me about Mattchew in our QT and now you use my case as your own? Are you fucking kidding me? WHY THE FUCK?

You are even mistaken and I made a case on Mattchew not Hopeless...
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 21 2013 14:42 GMT
#2205
On October 21 2013 23:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lonemeow's death is the only thing I can't personally account for. I'm assuming it was a vigshot as discussed in the thread during N1.

My read on mattchew has been town simply because of his actions D1 and how weak they would be from a scum perspective. Jumping between me and storrzerg, then begging ceph to roleclaim to save his life, it looked like things scum wouldn't do. I'm less certain of that now. You and syllo make real arguments for lynching him but I personally don't wish to lynch hufflepuff right now. Technically 1/5 is better than 3/17 but I feel like we can do better.

PS I have a lead on vayne I need to pursue, that guy may be scum or something.

Hmm, can you be a bit more specific?

My take from that is that you did something to a townie and then 2 scummers with 0.5KP killed themselves because of that. Add to that 2 townkills from mafia you are left with only LoneMeow.

Practical that means that Pandain and EchelonTee used their 0.5KP and you punished them for that. But that means that they had to use that on Toad otherwise there is 1 KP missing.

2NK
2 revenge kills on mafia using 0.5KP
Toad dieing due to 0.5KP
LoneMeow = ???

This means that Cephiro didn't do anything antitown yet. So why lynch him? Him not roleclaiming is fine as long as he plays the game and isn't a scummy fuck.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&currentpage=104#2068
That was my take.

You raise a valid point though.

If the 0.5KP was reflected; how did ET or Toad die.

Umm. Sn0 can you confirm whether ET should have had a full KP dealt to him?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 21 2013 14:43 GMT
#2206
On October 21 2013 23:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
On October 21 2013 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 21 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lonemeow's death is the only thing I can't personally account for. I'm assuming it was a vigshot as discussed in the thread during N1.

My read on mattchew has been town simply because of his actions D1 and how weak they would be from a scum perspective. Jumping between me and storrzerg, then begging ceph to roleclaim to save his life, it looked like things scum wouldn't do. I'm less certain of that now. You and syllo make real arguments for lynching him but I personally don't wish to lynch hufflepuff right now. Technically 1/5 is better than 3/17 but I feel like we can do better.

PS I have a lead on vayne I need to pursue, that guy may be scum or something.

Care to elaborate?

wat do you think im doing?

You started explaining after I asked^^ Yeah, no bonus points for being a main character anymore. That's for sure. Thank god Pandain flipped this could have gone badly.

Yo I haven't explained anything yet. What do you think "pursue" means? I'm reading him.

Actually I've finished reading him now. He's pretty useless so far, which makes my previous meta read of "tries to be more helpful in-thread when scum" still stand (aka somewhat townread).

I had thought that him using the ##Expelliarmus in thread may have been a way to kinda test the waters for EchelonTee's In-thread 0.5KP day power. Especially considering that if he was scum he'd know that scum have the Expelliarmus power (Pandain had) so it was a "safe" thing to toss out (nobody's gonna "counter claim" or w/e). It doesn't really seem probable though, not least because the Bludger power didn't come out yesterday only that night.
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raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 21 2013 14:43 GMT
#2207
On October 21 2013 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On October 21 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lonemeow's death is the only thing I can't personally account for. I'm assuming it was a vigshot as discussed in the thread during N1.

My read on mattchew has been town simply because of his actions D1 and how weak they would be from a scum perspective. Jumping between me and storrzerg, then begging ceph to roleclaim to save his life, it looked like things scum wouldn't do. I'm less certain of that now. You and syllo make real arguments for lynching him but I personally don't wish to lynch hufflepuff right now. Technically 1/5 is better than 3/17 but I feel like we can do better.

PS I have a lead on vayne I need to pursue, that guy may be scum or something.

Hmm, can you be a bit more specific?

My take from that is that you did something to a townie and then 2 scummers with 0.5KP killed themselves because of that. Add to that 2 townkills from mafia you are left with only LoneMeow.

Practical that means that Pandain and EchelonTee used their 0.5KP and you punished them for that. But that means that they had to use that on Toad otherwise there is 1 KP missing.

2NK
2 revenge kills on mafia using 0.5KP
Toad dieing due to 0.5KP
LoneMeow = ???

This means that Cephiro didn't do anything antitown yet. So why lynch him? Him not roleclaiming is fine as long as he plays the game and isn't a scummy fuck.

Toad died because ET died Koshi.

Yes but where is the 2 times 0.5KP from Pandain and ET? There should be 3 scumkills. Unless they didn't use their extra 0.5KP but that does not make sense.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 21 2013 14:44 GMT
#2208
Not sure how much I will be around at deadline. Don't kill JAT. He's gotten more active since mafia deaths and I could just sense the butt hurt that I was getting town reads for doing nothing and he wasn't.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 21 2013 14:46 GMT
#2209
On October 21 2013 23:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Not sure how much I will be around at deadline. Don't kill JAT. He's gotten more active since mafia deaths and I could just sense the butt hurt that I was getting town reads for doing nothing and he wasn't.

Best reason ever.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 21 2013 14:46 GMT
#2210
On October 21 2013 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Not sure how much I will be around at deadline. Don't kill JAT. He's gotten more active since mafia deaths and I could just sense the butt hurt that I was getting town reads for doing nothing and he wasn't.

Best reason ever.

Trust me Vayne would approve.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 21 2013 14:47 GMT
#2211
On October 21 2013 21:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Mattchew

I am respecting Storr his claim. I am maybe a bit fast in saying both StorrZerg and Mattchew are scum. But Mattchew is scum for sure. I just have insane problems with Storr thinking Mattchew is town. There are also some other things I don't like about Storr but this case is about Mattchew.

Let's take a look at Mattchew his day 2:

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 06:35 Mattchew wrote:
syllo any thoughts on hopeless

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 07:05 Mattchew wrote:
syllo can we lynch hopeless instead?

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 08:10 Mattchew wrote:
On October 20 2013 07:50 syllogism wrote:
On October 20 2013 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
That LA flipped? Was in response to syllo saying he can't know his alignment. I.E. he flipped I know he's town.

I didn't say that, I simply suggested that he couldn't know LA played "very strong" town game unless he knows alignments of every player in the game. It's possible that he thought LA was just very towny and therefore player a strong game, but I find that less likely than the alternative. Still, no point discussing this any further.

true... discuss hopeless with me?


This isn't a case on Hopeless, this is testing the waters. Here is another try, trying to vote Hopeless through marv his dead body:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 11:54 Mattchew wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:21 LastArgument wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:10 LastArgument wrote:
Just to be completely clear, Hopeless - you don't have any specific scumreads at the moment?

Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point.

Here's my issue with this. And there are two.

Firstly, you've said this as town before:
On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.
I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.
@wbg voters: dafuq?

You've also said this as town:
On April 23 2013 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...its a pressure vote on someone you think is less scum than other players....are you sure you know how to play this game?

Your attitude doesn't seem to tally with how you view the game when you play town.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

lets not forget the dead aka the confirmed

Now we have to consider that Mattchew knew about the Housecheck through his "masonbuddy" before the thread knew and that Mattchew decided to look in his own House and found Hopeless most likely scum. I can respect that. The reasons why are far to find, there isn't ANYTHING about hopeless in Mattchew his excellreads from Night 1. But he replied somewhere that his "excellreads" were about finding town and not scum...
But syllo doesn't bite and then Hopeless posts this:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 12:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
storr town for asking random questions, and pandain's "scumread" on him
matt town for showing storr why he's likely confirmed town. also pandain's scumread
holyflare town for, you know, actually hunting scum and generally making sense.
grack...doesnt seem like scum? his playful attitude hasnt changed since daypost.


Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 12:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
...so much for loyalty
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

By process of elimination

In which he does the same thing that Mattchew should have done when he knew about the Housecheck. Go over the housemembers and post his reads. PoE gave Hopeless1der Holyflare as scum.

This is how Mattchew reacts:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2013 12:34 Mattchew wrote:
LOL

##vote Hopeless1der


Mattchew finally found a reason to start a wagon on his fake scumread. Sadly enough Mattchew doesn't understand what Hopeless did was a normal thoughtprocess for a townie with the information about a Housecheck because Mattchew isn't town and didn't have this thoughtprocess.

You want more proof? Look at his reads from night 1: Grack, Storr were both very green for the SAME reasons hopeless says they are green. On top of that Hopeless says that Mattchew is town for x reason. What is so "LOL" about this that Mattchew instantly votes hopeless? They have the same thoughtprocess and Holyflare was looking scummy as well for Mattchew. There is litterally nothing "LOL" about those reads because they are the same as those from Mattchew.

Let's vote the scummiest person in this thread please
##unvote
##vote: Mattchew



Back off Mattchew this day... I'm getting really tired of your tunneling... I will fight tooth and nail to make sure he isn't lynched today, So just stop, he isn't worth your time today. We have far more pressing concerns this game than Matt.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 21 2013 14:48 GMT
#2212
On October 21 2013 23:41 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:39 Cephiro wrote:
Matt is really scummy.

First, he was pretty useless during day 1. There was no scumhunting.
Second, his N1 reads are townreads instead of scumreads. (Town on Pandain, nothing on ET, nothing on LM...)
During this day there was a case on hopeless by rayko without any reasoning except that there is 1 scum in hufflepuff. Even now matt has provided no reasoning for being suspicious of hopeless, except that it was a case "centered around him asking a lot of questions but not furthering his thought process / reads through them".

And lastly, after this he claimed that the people he wants to lynch are in a guy who has done townie things and 3 nullreads.
(Onegu, JAT, VA, Yam/CR)

It doesn't make any sense at all. He says he want to lynch into those 4 guys, but thinks one is townie, one is afk but has thread snetiment, and 2 he hasn't read yet.

In short: Mattchew isn't doing anything.

*Candy given*


Why are you using my case as your own Cephiro? You ask me about Mattchew in our QT and now you use my case as your own? Are you fucking kidding me? WHY THE FUCK?

You are even mistaken and I made a case on Mattchew not Hopeless...

Wait... the fuck is this?! That's indeed Koshis case from the qt...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#2213
^^ Odd post.

Can you summarise why MattChew isn't fair game in hufflepuff?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
October 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#2214
On October 21 2013 23:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:46 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 21 2013 23:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Not sure how much I will be around at deadline. Don't kill JAT. He's gotten more active since mafia deaths and I could just sense the butt hurt that I was getting town reads for doing nothing and he wasn't.

Best reason ever.

Trust me Vayne would approve.

Vayne always thinks I am scum. He is not able to read me (even admitted that).
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#2215
Can anybody in this thread read? (barring syllo).

I CAN ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING THAT ISN'T LONEMEOW

also

WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT ISN'T RELEVANT I'M CLAIMING DURING RESOLUTION PERIOD NOW STFU.

Now. Lynch Scum. Currently heavily prefer Ceph though he might not actually be scum (rofl) simply because his role sounds utterly disastrous and he is showing no desire to work for town victory. I didn't expect 3p to exist but i'm less certain regarding that opinion right now.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#2216
Lol I would think he was some sort of VI role if he hadn't fought against his lynch day1.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 21 2013 14:52 GMT
#2217
On October 21 2013 23:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Can anybody in this thread read? (barring syllo).

I CAN ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING THAT ISN'T LONEMEOW

also

WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT ISN'T RELEVANT I'M CLAIMING DURING RESOLUTION PERIOD NOW STFU.

Now. Lynch Scum. Currently heavily prefer Ceph though he might not actually be scum (rofl) simply because his role sounds utterly disastrous and he is showing no desire to work for town victory. I didn't expect 3p to exist but i'm less certain regarding that opinion right now.

Heeeeey my theory makes sense. Those are the guys with the .5 kp. Scum already knows what's up unless you've been dropping fake hints.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 21 2013 14:58 GMT
#2218
Between crazy Ceph or lurky "vets BH/Yamato" or hufflepuff (one of the 3)

I have my vote on bh, but im willing to switch to Ceph since he is going on matt, and i don't like Ceph play today at all. Most of that probably has to do with him keeping secrets. Might be interesting if he lovers 2 people from hufflepuff, but i have no idea what he means by making lovers. (if he literally means he joins 2 people and if one dies they both die)
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
October 21 2013 14:58 GMT
#2219
On October 21 2013 23:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Now. Lynch Scum. Currently heavily prefer Ceph though he might not actually be scum (rofl) simply because his role sounds utterly disastrous and he is showing no desire to work for town victory. I didn't expect 3p to exist but i'm less certain regarding that opinion right now.


If you want to lynch scum, then you don't prefer me. Do you not agree I have upped my play? (Even if only for the last few hours?). And you have more coming. As for what you think of my role..

Great power comes with great responsibility.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 21 2013 15:00 GMT
#2220
Sn0_Man what do you mean 3p?
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