EPTI'd like to sign up - umasi will you take me? I've played more than 3 games, but only 2 in recent times and the rest were years ago which I barely remember anything about!
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I'd like to sign up - umasi will you take me? I've played more than 3 games, but only 2 in recent times and the rest were years ago which I barely remember anything about! | ||
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On October 09 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Let Bereft play imo and START THEES SHEET i think umasi doesn't want to start till he has 2 replacements D: <-- read the OP | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck his replacements and FUCK HIM + Show Spoiler + (Just kidding I <3 you Umasi keep writing role PMs 'cause they kick ass kthx) YEAHHHH! DOWN WITH THE  , some town direction couldn't hurt in the event of modkills. | ||
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On October 09 2013 18:52 playerboy345 wrote: Umasi pls pls Umasi | ||
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what can I say though, no EQ yo. I'd rather have my 5 M&Ms today than a full bag of em tomorrow. | ||
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##Vote: OdinOfPergo | ||
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On October 09 2013 10:03 Balla24 wrote: yes play bereft hes good but not that good ##Vote: Balla24 come at me bro | ||
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On October 10 2013 15:15 Umasi wrote: we are joking around but are we? are we?!? on a more serious note, are we still waiting on 1 more confirm? | ||
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also, yay finally | ||
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reading thru the thread, i'd like to caution people against jumping on the mitt vote. i think what we need to decide on is whether we want to (a) vote a useless townie who might be scum or (b) vote an active townie who we have a strong scum read on. the reason why i'd caution town to vote mitt is because before the game even started, i was doing some joke votes and istandwithmitt goes: On October 10 2013 14:55 istandwithmitt wrote: Did this start? ##vote balla24 he's voting himself you wyould not do this as town if we had gotten our pm's at this point, i would have thought this was some miserable scum play. but role pm's hadn't even been sent out at that point! so in conclusion, just keep in mind his in-game posting seems much in line with his pre-game posting. i think worst case if by the end of d1 we don't see a strong scum case against anyone in particular, mitt is an easy candidate. however given that we have another 24 hours at this point, let's not get pigeon-holed on mitt as there may be stronger candidates out there. i for one would perhaps put Vonthin and GGTemplar in that list, depending on what kind of posts they make in the next 24 hours. not necessarily saying i think they're scum at the moment, but i would like to hear more from them. the reason i'm singling these 2 out atm is because GGTemplar randomly hones into a pretty mild exchange between Sagaz and mitt and starts postulating about in what scenarios Sagaz is mafia or mitt is mafia, but them both being mafia are mutually exclusive. this seems like either an attempt to appear helpful while not being helpful at all, or a misguided attempt to be helpful, as their exchange seemed pretty minor / un-noteworthy and he's not providing any real analysis but more like game theory. as for Vonthin, all he does is jump upon the RNG proposal with a massive amount of risk aversion. in this kind of situation, i'm inclined to find mafia to be more risk averse than a townie. as mafia, you'd like to avoid being in the hot seat at any cost possible, whereas as town, my general feeling is that i'm less afraid of being scrutinized because i have nothing to hide. Vonthin also seems to completely miss the fact that Odin isn't actually proposing an RNG, but implicitly proposing RNG as a means to an end -- as a tool to force people to do their best to wriggle out of the hot seat. | ||
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On October 15 2013 20:45 Vonthin wrote: After catching up after I went to sleep/work I am casting my vote for istandwithmitt ##vote: istandwithmitt Agree with the other people who voted for him(Suess/Odin), posts are really negative and bring bad attention to him, he might just be a townie with poor communication skills but still has the highest chances for being a scum from what I've read seriously? has the "highest chances for being a scum" based on what analysis exactly? did you even read my or Seuss' post? ##Vote: Vonthin | ||
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On October 16 2013 00:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote: I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster. Unfortunately I'll miss out on last few hours because Asian time zone OP. Good luck guys! then why are you leaving your vote on him?? | ||
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however in the event that you can't convince anyone, Sagaz I'd recommend you switch your vote to Vonthin because otherwise you are 100% throwing away your vote. | ||
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Between Vonthin and Mitt, who do you feel is the stronger lynch candidate? | ||
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On October 16 2013 11:05 iamperfection wrote:  are you even allowed to post in here you observer you | ||
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that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz? my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around. on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< | ||
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also, I have been roleblocked. | ||
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I just read the mafiascum wiki for C9±±. I believe we are in a TTT setup. 2 goons + mafia role blocker, 1 SK. no godfather. wiki also tells me 50% of setups include an SK. my earlier vig comment was silly. | ||
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On October 17 2013 12:15 Bereft wrote: my gut reaction is mafia killed Odin and SK killed playerboy. but I need to go to bed so I'll read their filters tomorrow... so to expand on my gut reaction from last night, i still believe odin was the mafia hit and playerboy was the SK hit. odin was a far more aggressive and active townie than playerboy, and had less doubt cast upon his actions than did playerboy. the only way mafia would've chosen playerboy over odin is if they were confident his reaction was a cop slip, but personally i feel one would have to be quite experienced at mafia to detect this (if anyone disagrees let me know). this then begs the question: why odin instead of seuss, myself, or even e00e [if they believed he slipped cop]? i can understand if they thought the doc might save seuss or if they were somewhat skeptical of e00e. why odin then instead of me? not to be full of myself, but between me and odin, it seemed i had morre town cred on d1/n1. GGTemplar, Sagaz both explicitly state i'm their town reads (though GGTemplar later retracts this somewhat). i think Seuss either explicitly states or implies the same on d1/n1. playerboy implies a similar mentality when he follows my vote on Vonthin immediately. as far as Odin goes, nyx, GGTemplar, and E00e give him townish reads, with GGTemplar telling me that i'm a townier read than Odin: On October 16 2013 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Although I dislike your quick followup post throwing July617 into the batch of your highest scum reads with Vonthin and myself (mainly because it seemed like a pretty weak read after your explanation of why you think Vonthin and I are mafia), I am honestly reading you more town than OdinOfPergo because the information, reads, and reasoning behind your reads are much more clearly presented and concise. so the fact that odin was a larger threat than me means that odin had caught the right scent, mafia is risk averse and thinks i could be protected somehow, or killing me could somehow be tied back to one of them. i'm not sure how this ties to specific actions in this game yet (still thinking about it), but wanted to put this out there in case in triggered anything in the rest of you. seuss, i'm not sure if i agree with some of your town reads [such as the quick town read on OWB], but for these i am in line with you: e00e:i was initially in the camp that believed e00e was cop. HOWEVER, coming out of n1, i am now far more skeptical. if there was a chance e00e might be cop, why didn't mafia roleblock him? this makes me now believe there's a decent chance he's scum. balla: i've gotten more suspicious of his play as the game progressed, but his first few posts of d2 really stuck out to me. in particular, this one: On October 17 2013 13:02 Balla24 wrote: I guess that's helpful, but not really.. as its just how the game works, and irrelevant to whether it's T or TTT. Seuss i'd prefer you comment on the night kills and what you think they mean. Who would do them and why? What do you think about the E00/playerboy topic? Does your previous scum read on July/SagaZ/nyx (i know some of the reads are weak and also some are possibly non-existant now, but still relevant) fit with the kills (I.E. do you think july would kill odin who was suspicious of him even though it would clearly cast suspicion on him)? this seems like really weird behavior from a townie for me. as town: i come back to the thread and see 2 kills have happened in the night --> i start reevaluating my reads, postulating what may have happened, start applying pressure on my scum reads, etc. balla on the other hand starts picking at seuss' brain. maybe i'm off with this one, but why would you do this as town?? you should be primarily concerned with figuring out what this information reveals to you. why would you defer to someone else for their reads immediately? most times, the act of asking someone what they think about certain characters is to figure out if their thought process is a town-oriented or mafia-oriented one. why do you immediately start picking at the brain of the one, confirmed townie?? the only reason one would do this as town is if you are a sheep and are looking at seuss for guidance. but so far, none of balla's actions have betrayed sheeping tendencies. so this seems like a constructed effort to seem helpful and inquisitive. | ||
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as scum, every single person you are questioning you already KNOW is town or scum. ergo, i think it much easier in this scum mental framework to make the mistake of not thinking twice and prodding the one established townie. it just makes no sense to do this (in the way he does) as town. therefore, for now i'll be voting balla. ##Vote: Balla24 however, if most of you see balla's actions as something reasonable for a townie to do / something you would do yourself, i will reevaluate. | ||
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On October 18 2013 10:18 July617 wrote: Sorry guys, quick post - long day, need a shower. Bereft that's a good framework of thinking, i'm just asking questions here, but if the same were said about you what's your defense to that? Balla I hope you've got a defense as well . this post is bizarre. why would I post a rebuttal to my own case? to do so would only feed Balla material for his own defense. I did explicitly state that if fellow townies disagreed with me and felt that they could see themselves doing the same thing to let me know. what's your opinion on this? do YOU think it's a scum slip or a justified course of action for town? | ||
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On October 18 2013 14:29 July617 wrote: Nyx and mitt's voting style is going to screw with town if they are town, and my thought's are that i'm sure they are 70% town, why? Simply because of the bad voting style, would mafia (if they were) vote so poorly? Yes but even then I don't think this game is five levels deep, (I know it's not something that should be said but we shouldn't try and over assume anything, that's how town get's lynched like day 1 (yeah I could of stopped it but i didn't and i messed up and i apologize for that, and I think lynching bad town isn't something we can afford to do anymore) , and we can't afford any more miss-lynches . Now with that said yes it could apply to wonderboy and E00e, which comes out to four potential town - Of this my read is 40 - 50 percent, not a strong number i know, but realistically speaking what if they are? What's to say that they're not, couldn't it always be a possibility? (Yes I know that isn't a safe way to play but it's the only one coming from myself that i believe in enough to post to contribute something to the game.) July, I take it from this post that by process of elimination GGTemplar, Sagaz, and Balla are your scum reads? what's your response to my case on Balls? (since you brought it up previously yet stated no opinion) | ||
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I guess the question that faces us now is that if we think nyx is the SK (as I think there's a very slim chance he's scum), would we prefer to target him instead of a potential scum read? if he's our safest bet right now at avoiding a mislynch I would be fine with it. | ||
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i'm not an unreasonable guy and could be persuaded to change my vote if the case is good. | ||
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as a side note: mods, sagaz switched his vote from OWB to nyx iirc | ||
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and now Bereft comes out of left field with a vote count: [DISCLAIMER: this is not an official vote count; if there are any mistakes, i am not accountable :p ] Balla24 (2): Bereft, nyxnyxnyx nyxnyxnyx (2): Bereft (1): istandwithmitt onlywonderboy (1): E00e (0): July617 (3): Balla24, Seuss, Onlywonderboy basically July you do realize that if you don't put your vote somewhere where it will matter, you're set to be lynched tonight? | ||
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Balla24 (2): Bereft, nyxnyxnyx nyxnyxnyx (3): Bereft (1): istandwithmitt onlywonderboy (1): E00e (0): July617 (3): Balla24, Seuss, Onlywonderboy | ||
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On October 19 2013 09:11 Balla24 wrote: Haha, I almost think he's drunk or something... hahaha i love this guy (July, not you, Balla). is it bad that i didn't even pick up on that mistake?? | ||
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On October 19 2013 09:12 SagaZ wrote: Honestly, if some1 can get mitt in here this could become the funniest 2 hours of mafia ever i don't know why i find the situation so hilarious, but i do. | ||
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also, fwiw, i'm a vanilla townie so i'm not operating under any additional information than the rest of the town. | ||
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OWB since you're around, what are your thoughts at the present moment in time? | ||
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wow, are there really only 7 of us left?? nice, that gives me 50/50 odds to hit mafia or the SK. mitt and July, right now we really need to vote together as a cohesive unit. mitt, I understand you still have lingering concerns towards me which I am happy to assuage in whatever way possible. just ask. my belief is that our SK lies in either OWB or Balla. since it OWB's birthday, I'll vote Balla for now. ##Vote: Balla | ||
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On October 22 2013 05:09 E00e wrote: I feel bad for the already dead players that we didnt do much this day .hey same I feel so bad I got so busy these past 2 days >< if only they had left Seuss and taken me! oh cruel world. I'm still at work, but ima be frantically reading filters on my phone. if there's at least one other townie who can be around at the deadline we'll have a shot to not get rolled by town. | ||
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hahahah oh gawd. I swear that's not a scum slip. I suck at multitasking. | ||
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right now, I'm reading Sagaz and E00e as GGTemplar's scum buddies with Balla and OWB as SK as previously stated. right now I am comfortable with putting my vote on E00e unless he wants to claim a blue role (please tell me he hasn't gone to bed). I'm typing from a phone so pardon the lack of quotes but I build my case on the following: his posting has been completely irrational for someone who's town. in his very first post he chooses to single out 2 things: 1. saying GG's theory crafting or whatever you call it is useful and pro town- it wasn't. I don't see why GG's post would've stood out at all to anyone at that point except for being substance less. I remember this seeming bizarre to me when I first read it. 2. the cop "soft claim". the only reason to do this as town is (a) you're a newb cop or (b) idk, you are absolutely forward thinking and want to rally around the cop preemptively. I am confident at this point that it isn't (a). I do not think it can be (b) either because notice how he never brings it up again except to say "he may or may not be" but doesn't want to specify. if you are not the cop and you've given the impression that you are to fellow townies, why would you not flat out deny it unless you are self sacrificial and want to confuse mafia from other targets such as Seuss? I think it was pretty obvious that wasn't going to happen, so it makes no sense unless you want to confuse the town. apologies for the ineloquent case - I will be home and at a computer in 20 mins approx. ##Unvote ##Vote: E00e | ||
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On October 22 2013 10:09 July617 wrote: If wonderboy is SK then he'll shoot me tonight , and be done with it . what's the rationale behind that? | ||
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On October 22 2013 09:35 onlywonderboy wrote: I'm leaning towards him being SK. He didn't really have any interactions with GGTemplar so it's hard to judge there. Honestly his lack of interaction with most players is why I think he's SK over mafia. you're saying you think July is the SK??? how do you explain his complete lack of self preservation during yesterday's lynch?? you do realize survival is the SK's one and only win con?? | ||
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On October 22 2013 11:05 Bereft wrote: hahahhahahaha | ||
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On October 23 2013 11:31 Balla24 wrote: Haha... I was pretty sure you were Vigi during day2... but then we RB'ed Bereft again and no roles came out so we assumed Bereft was cop/vigi and he was deflecting well (he was asking about the cop a lot)... turns out nobody came out because it would have been silly haha... ohh, no wonder you shot me instead of OWB! i was actually wondering if i should create confusion in the thread during the last night phase to throw you guys off, but then i decided fck it, i'd probably screw things up even more. the funny thing is that right up till we endgamed, i didn't think OWB could be my last fellow townie. if we had ended up in a LYLO situation with me, OWB, july, i would've lost it for town. | ||
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On October 23 2013 12:29 Seuss wrote: Hey, wait a second: WaveOfShadow, to Seuss: WaveOfShadow, to onlywonderboy: NOW JUST A DARN MINUTE HERE! this cracked me up. it's OK Seuss, you're still a special snowflake. | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/kqb6PWdPt5x5T should've used my coach more. I guess I was held back by the fact that I wanted him to critique my specific reads, but I didn't think he was allowed to. the whole game I kinda struggled with conviction/self-doubt cuz I haven't successfully lynched scum in any of my games yet lolol. if anybody who was following the game wants to give me some feedback, it's always welcome. | ||
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On October 24 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote: Whose being rude? You clearly do not have thick skin. According to this: you want to share constructive criticism, but will not reciprocate by receiving? did anyone else crack up when Seuss called mitt a "social pariah" or was that just me? (think this happened day 1) | ||
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I'm imagining the townsfolk of Newbieville, all huddled in their homes, phones disconnected for fear of communication. What if their hello isn't friendly enough? What if it is too friendly? What if they forget to say goodbye? What if they hang up too soon? What if there's a bit of static right at an awkward point in a sentence? What if the call is just to confirm they're home, TO KILL THEM? Now and again a bird sings on a tree branch outside, but its song only brings misery, an unpleasant reminder of the sunny, cheerful day outside. Their self-enforced despair forbids them enjoy the beauty of simple existence. This is no longer a town, it is a cemetery, and its inhabitants simply wait for the gravedigger to bury them. perfect. i do regret not making more time that last day to post. in any case, i had a lot of fun this game -- thanks a lot to the mods, coaches. and other players [for not getting modkilled]! a near perfect activity record! | ||
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