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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 16:07 GMT
#681
I played in Dirk's last towngame.

I don't really know what to tell you; given I was the one who fucking nailed Dirk to the wall for what he did, then yeah, whatever. I can't describe my doubts very elegantly, I just feel much more confident in a slOosh lynch right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 03 2013 16:07 GMT
#682
On October 04 2013 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:52 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 03 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dirkzor: Horrible opening post. Horrible follow up. Then he says he wants to lynch me or Sloosh, i don't see any reasons from him. When the thread sentiment turns into "Sloosh looks bad" (Clarity voting for him etc.), THEN he places his vote on Sloosh. Best lynch.

##Vote: Dirkzor

On October 04 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey guys. I gotta go in appoximately 1,5 hours and i can't be sure if i am back before the deadline so could we just decide the lynch to some extent so i can be a part of it?

Holyflare: For what i said.

Dirkzor: To me it seems like he is really wishy-washy about everything everytime he posts. Only when he is "pushed into some direction" he makes some conclusions.

I dunno which is worse?

How come you changed your opinion on me between your listpost and now? Why doesn't your "recap" post of the scummynes of me and Holy not include your initial points regarding me?

I think I'm with BH that you are throwing shit and seeing what sticks. I didn't on Holy so you go back to me without really explaining, but now with new points as to why.

Waht i say in my listpost and that post is 100% the same.

Dispite the fact that they aren't you are also wrong.

It's clear here Link and here link why I regard you and sloosh scummy. I changed my mind about the HF thing and maybe thats why you are calling me wishy-washy. Other then that I don't see it. So please point where?!
Regarding the timestamp on my vote on Sloosh. I don't see that as anything that can point to my alignment. I was waiting for him to answer and he never did. I was leaving for work. I left my vote so he would respond when he could (which he haven't yet btw).
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 03 2013 16:09 GMT
#683
I'm impressed someone remembers my meta. Been 10 months or so since my last game. I can't even remember which it was.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 03 2013 16:11 GMT
#684
On October 04 2013 01:07 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 04 2013 00:52 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 03 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dirkzor: Horrible opening post. Horrible follow up. Then he says he wants to lynch me or Sloosh, i don't see any reasons from him. When the thread sentiment turns into "Sloosh looks bad" (Clarity voting for him etc.), THEN he places his vote on Sloosh. Best lynch.

##Vote: Dirkzor

On October 04 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey guys. I gotta go in appoximately 1,5 hours and i can't be sure if i am back before the deadline so could we just decide the lynch to some extent so i can be a part of it?

Holyflare: For what i said.

Dirkzor: To me it seems like he is really wishy-washy about everything everytime he posts. Only when he is "pushed into some direction" he makes some conclusions.

I dunno which is worse?

How come you changed your opinion on me between your listpost and now? Why doesn't your "recap" post of the scummynes of me and Holy not include your initial points regarding me?

I think I'm with BH that you are throwing shit and seeing what sticks. I didn't on Holy so you go back to me without really explaining, but now with new points as to why.

Waht i say in my listpost and that post is 100% the same.

Dispite the fact that they aren't you are also wrong.

It's clear here Link and here link why I regard you and sloosh scummy. I changed my mind about the HF thing and maybe thats why you are calling me wishy-washy. Other then that I don't see it. So please point where?!
Regarding the timestamp on my vote on Sloosh. I don't see that as anything that can point to my alignment. I was waiting for him to answer and he never did. I was leaving for work. I left my vote so he would respond when he could (which he haven't yet btw).

I am talking about these things:
(1) Your vote and backpedalling on HF.
(2) Your comments and timing on voting for Sloosh.
(3) Your stance on HF's big post and your comments on his post compared to mine when asked by me.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 16:11 GMT
#685
My mafia memory in general is pretty phenomenal.

I find your play very hard to get a handle on this game, because it's been totally warped by the original Holyflare thing. Which skews perceptions - I can't tell if you're mafia talking your way out of a hole, or town who made a silly mistake.

Reminds me of Dwarf Fortress mafia where town pursued forumite like a hound all day for a mistake he made at the start, and he flipped town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:14 GMT
#686
Man I'm just gonna throw this out there but we don't have a cop or a vigi this game right? How good are you gonna be with that oats read Marv? cause, well, as you, me, rayne, and clarity know, towns have been burned before for letting Oats live to lylo.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:16 GMT
#687
I guess I'm happier with this new more active Rayn and would be okay letting him live for a day since we need to get together into a majority in the next ~8 hours or we no-lynch. I can't really justify lynching him, even if he's pretty damn scummy, over Oats when I'll be able to get a more solid read on Rayn over time (if he's scum he'll screw up). Then again, Oats doesn't seem to be happening either. fack.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 03 2013 16:16 GMT
#688
@rayn:
1) I can understand this, but I've explained what happened pretty thoroughly by now.
2) Doesn't mean anything.
3) I dont get it. You both made big posts. I view them differently even though they both make the same mistake because of gamehistory. Could you explain this further?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 03 2013 16:17 GMT
#689
On October 04 2013 01:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I'm just gonna throw this out there but we don't have a cop or a vigi this game right? How good are you gonna be with that oats read Marv? cause, well, as you, me, rayne, and clarity know, towns have been burned before for letting Oats live to lylo.

BH, i can tell Oats' alignment at last on N2. If i die on N1 grill him hard. This is a fact.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 16:17 GMT
#690
On October 04 2013 01:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I guess I'm happier with this new more active Rayn and would be okay letting him live for a day since we need to get together into a majority in the next ~8 hours or we no-lynch. I can't really justify lynching him, even if he's pretty damn scummy, over Oats when I'll be able to get a more solid read on Rayn over time (if he's scum he'll screw up). Then again, Oats doesn't seem to be happening either. fack.


Could you condense your read on oats for us? Rather than going "welp my lynch aint happening, bummer"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 16:18 GMT
#691
On October 04 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I guess I'm happier with this new more active Rayn and would be okay letting him live for a day since we need to get together into a majority in the next ~8 hours or we no-lynch. I can't really justify lynching him, even if he's pretty damn scummy, over Oats when I'll be able to get a more solid read on Rayn over time (if he's scum he'll screw up). Then again, Oats doesn't seem to be happening either. fack.


Could you condense your read on oats for us? Rather than going "welp my lynch aint happening, bummer"


Agreed with this. If you're really convinced Oats is the best lynch, then argue coherently for it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:20 GMT
#692
Man, I kinda like this sloosh lynch. I do see what's being said about him changing his mind between here (link) and here (link) and why that's a bit suspicious. I will say that there are a couple mitigating factors. 1, he initially was reacting to a case and said it wasn't too compelling. Risen's case didn't directly address the point that sloosh brought up later, so it's possible sloosh was a lazy ass and didn't actually read clarity's filter. 2, there's an in-between post that actually imo makes this ok:
On October 03 2013 11:10 slOosh wrote:
Ohh BH, thoughts on clarity?


it looks to be like slOosh may have been changing his mind on clarity then, at 11 (at 10, he was null or town on clarity. at 12 he voted clarity). Perhaps he was rereading the filter, and the thing popped out at him, so he popped into the thread to ask me a question. I find this a reasonable explanation of sloosh's actions.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:21 GMT
#693
On October 04 2013 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I guess I'm happier with this new more active Rayn and would be okay letting him live for a day since we need to get together into a majority in the next ~8 hours or we no-lynch. I can't really justify lynching him, even if he's pretty damn scummy, over Oats when I'll be able to get a more solid read on Rayn over time (if he's scum he'll screw up). Then again, Oats doesn't seem to be happening either. fack.


Could you condense your read on oats for us? Rather than going "welp my lynch aint happening, bummer"


Agreed with this. If you're really convinced Oats is the best lynch, then argue coherently for it.


Man I'm really not which is the problem. Like, I think oats a dick and a liability, but I'm not convinced he's scum from his posting. I wouldn't mind lynching him since I'm not sure I'll be able to get a read on him all game, and he loves to fuck things up at lylo, but if I had a case I'd be posting it and yelling at you guys to vote with me.

I think we're not lynching Oats today.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 03 2013 16:24 GMT
#694
On October 04 2013 01:16 Dirkzor wrote:
@rayn:
1) I can understand this, but I've explained what happened pretty thoroughly by now.
2) Doesn't mean anything.
3) I dont get it. You both made big posts. I view them differently even though they both make the same mistake because of gamehistory. Could you explain this further?

(1) Yeah and i am not sure if i buy it, atm i don't.
(2) Yes it does. You say me and Sloosh are scummy. Then when other people go for Sloosh, you go too.
(3) Yes, you call out HF for his post. No mention of me. When i ask you about the differences of them, you suddenly go for "oh, you are scummy too". That's fucking fishy.

That's what you have been doing the whole game.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 16:25 GMT
#695
On October 04 2013 01:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Man, I kinda like this sloosh lynch. I do see what's being said about him changing his mind between here (link) and here (link) and why that's a bit suspicious. I will say that there are a couple mitigating factors. 1, he initially was reacting to a case and said it wasn't too compelling. Risen's case didn't directly address the point that sloosh brought up later, so it's possible sloosh was a lazy ass and didn't actually read clarity's filter. 2, there's an in-between post that actually imo makes this ok:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 11:10 slOosh wrote:
Ohh BH, thoughts on clarity?


it looks to be like slOosh may have been changing his mind on clarity then, at 11 (at 10, he was null or town on clarity. at 12 he voted clarity). Perhaps he was rereading the filter, and the thing popped out at him, so he popped into the thread to ask me a question. I find this a reasonable explanation of sloosh's actions.


It is a reasonable explanation, I agree - but it's also weak if that's the case. I don't really associate slOosh with weak play.

I've kinda always been a slOosh fanboy though, because his style is generally the opposite of mine
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:25 GMT
#696
In any case, a sloosh lynch is a lynch for the same reason I thought rayne was a good lynch. Sloosh has been effectively inactive. Taking a look at his catch-22 filter, though, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=slOosh&view=all he's clearly capable of this play as town. Though, that time, he questions DP and pushes other people for info before dropping his (without case) vote.

OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#697
On October 04 2013 01:25 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, a sloosh lynch is a lynch for the same reason I thought rayne was a good lynch. Sloosh has been effectively inactive. Taking a look at his catch-22 filter, though, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=slOosh&view=all he's clearly capable of this play as town. Though, that time, he questions DP and pushes other people for info before dropping his (without case) vote.

OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo


That leaves who for your choice of lynch? Risen?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#698
I will say this: sloosh this game is playing less aggressively than he did in C-22. He doesn't push clarity for info really. But his low activity style with the not terribly well explained vote is the same. I'd consider him town (as in, a townread) if he had prodded other players and developed his clarity read more seriously before the vote. I don't consider this departure from sloosh's C-22 play significant enough to warrant a lynch though.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
October 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#699
On October 04 2013 01:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:25 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, a sloosh lynch is a lynch for the same reason I thought rayne was a good lynch. Sloosh has been effectively inactive. Taking a look at his catch-22 filter, though, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=slOosh&view=all he's clearly capable of this play as town. Though, that time, he questions DP and pushes other people for info before dropping his (without case) vote.

OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo


That leaves who for your choice of lynch? Risen?


Hm.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#700
So BH, who do you actually want to lynch? You've now given 3 target all of which you have retracted from...
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