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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote: Does this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=15#297 - not suggest you thought his unvote was bad? What am I missing? I only ask why sloosh liked his reasoning? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:25 Holyflare wrote: I only ask why sloosh liked his reasoning? I think you're being kinda obtuse because it's obvious what part of the post I'm referring to. "I don't like this one bit, especially coupled with *unvote post*" As in you said "I don't like this" and followed that with his unvote post. I don't know why this is so hard  | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare. First of all, this is bullshit: Why would you say this? Also why did you hide your vote on Oats behind RNG as it was not RNG for you? I, um, might have coached holyflare in a previous game and taught him indirectly that one of town's goals is to eliminate LYLO Liabilities: (link). Granted, in that game he was the cop, but he's probably just parroting things he's learned from me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Holyflare: For what i said. Dirkzor: To me it seems like he is really wishy-washy about everything everytime he posts. Only when he is "pushed into some direction" he makes some conclusions. I dunno which is worse? | ||
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Holyflare
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote: Right, so the thing you didn't like was the random sheep on to Dirkzor, ya? yes, especially as he pointed out clarity for sheeping | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: BH if you are still thinking i am scum ask me what do you want to know now please. I'm still catching up on the thread, i haven't read everything yet. HOW CONVENIENT that you're leaving now! So. Why the sudden activity burst? Is your only excuse for posting tons of crappy oneliners that you somehow couldn't post? How were you planning to help town for the first 3/4 of D1 with your level of activity? Why shouldn't I lynch you? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:29 Holyflare wrote: yes, especially as he pointed out clarity for sheeping Alright bingo! Can you see why I was having difficulties? lol. That makes sense. | ||
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marvellosity
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Alright bingo! Can you see why I was having difficulties? lol. That makes sense. I can. Can we get back to talking about scum now????? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know, to me it did not look like a conversation starter. BH never said it was, at least before someone else (Clarity) said so. To me it looked more like "let's gun for Oats as he was randomed" and then BH developed a shit read on Oats. the #1 way to kill a conversation starter is call it a conversation starter (just like calling a vote a "pressure vote" makes it much weaker). town 101 | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:29 Blazinghand wrote: I'm still catching up on the thread, i haven't read everything yet. HOW CONVENIENT that you're leaving now! So. Why the sudden activity burst? Is your only excuse for posting tons of crappy oneliners that you somehow couldn't post? How were you planning to help town for the first 3/4 of D1 with your level of activity? Why shouldn't I lynch you? I am fucking sorry i have some other things to do than be here. I was planning on trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and why. It was hard because of you. Because i am town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
The reason I was struggling so much with HF is that I generally found him reasonably townie, but I thought what you pointed out had merit. All his explanations make sense to me now though and he's stuck around and defended himself and pushed his ideas. Added to this, the fact that in some ways he didn't "get" the suspicions to me is a bit of a towntell. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 03 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i tend to interact with people who are in thread. I'm impatient to wait for answers for hours, i have a train of thought and i want to disclose it with quick back and forth discussion. That's what i always do. this is like kinda literally not true given that I've posted and quoted a game (link) (link) in which although you do some back and forth, you're writing big cases as well. Big posts. serious reads. strong plays up front. Plays like this: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh As for Hapa's questions: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 13:17 Hapahauli wrote: Hey all! Regarding PM usage, I think a very good early use of PM's is to try and establish the alignment of someone you know very well. For instance, I already used my first mason on Yamato77, who I'm very adept at reading and is a pretty good town player. Through these efforts I will slowly build a scum-hunting circle of awesomeness. I'll admit I'm a tad worried about the post-count restriction and our ability to jumpstart Day 1 reliably, especially if spammy players are concerned about the post-limit. As a result, perhaps a good 'ol fashioned questionnaire might be best to kick things off! 1) What are your views on PM usage? How and when should they be used? 2) Are there any policy lynches around the posting-limit we should consider? (i.e. if someone doesn't use all their posts, they get lynched, etc) 3) Who are players you feel you can read very well and reliably in this game? 1) To find scum. Not going to be more specific, but i want to know why are you so eager to know this from all the players? 2) No, lurkers should be vigged asap. If someone wastes their posts on bullshit we lynch them. 3) Oats. Vayne. Both town. DrH, please if you are town. Do not waste your posts arguing with Vayne. His argument is more likely to come from a townie than from mafia, and you are just wasting posts into that. Vayne will prove his alignment later for sure, but he is probably town. FirmTofu, What was the purpose of your first post? You yourself said "it should not be considered alignment indicative", and basically everything you said i disagree with, or the statements / "advice" is obvious. Why would you make a post that does not help us finding scum or figuring out your alignment? VE, explain your vote on DrH, how does that make him scum? Do you think he is intentionally wasting his posts? Malongo, yes i'm a Finn. Now do something that finds us mafia? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? With back-and-forth, serious on-topic pushes, clarification, and a clear delineation of reads. That's not what you've been doing until now, as the deadline approaches, after I laid smackdown on you. How is this not scum rayne? How can anyone look at your town play, and look at this game, and say "oh this is some not seen before variation on town rayne" | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:33 Blazinghand wrote: this is like kinda literally not true given that I've posted and quoted a game (link) (link) in which although you do some back and forth, you're writing big cases as well. Big posts. serious reads. strong plays up front. Plays like this: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh As for Hapa's questions: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 13:17 Hapahauli wrote: Hey all! Regarding PM usage, I think a very good early use of PM's is to try and establish the alignment of someone you know very well. For instance, I already used my first mason on Yamato77, who I'm very adept at reading and is a pretty good town player. Through these efforts I will slowly build a scum-hunting circle of awesomeness. I'll admit I'm a tad worried about the post-count restriction and our ability to jumpstart Day 1 reliably, especially if spammy players are concerned about the post-limit. As a result, perhaps a good 'ol fashioned questionnaire might be best to kick things off! 1) What are your views on PM usage? How and when should they be used? 2) Are there any policy lynches around the posting-limit we should consider? (i.e. if someone doesn't use all their posts, they get lynched, etc) 3) Who are players you feel you can read very well and reliably in this game? 1) To find scum. Not going to be more specific, but i want to know why are you so eager to know this from all the players? 2) No, lurkers should be vigged asap. If someone wastes their posts on bullshit we lynch them. 3) Oats. Vayne. Both town. DrH, please if you are town. Do not waste your posts arguing with Vayne. His argument is more likely to come from a townie than from mafia, and you are just wasting posts into that. Vayne will prove his alignment later for sure, but he is probably town. FirmTofu, What was the purpose of your first post? You yourself said "it should not be considered alignment indicative", and basically everything you said i disagree with, or the statements / "advice" is obvious. Why would you make a post that does not help us finding scum or figuring out your alignment? VE, explain your vote on DrH, how does that make him scum? Do you think he is intentionally wasting his posts? Malongo, yes i'm a Finn. Now do something that finds us mafia? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange?[/QUOTE] With back-and-forth, serious on-topic pushes, clarification, and a clear delineation of reads. That's not what you've been doing until now, as the deadline approaches, after I laid smackdown on you. How is this not scum rayne? How can anyone look at your town play, and look at this game, and say "oh this is some not seen before variation on town rayne"[/QUOTE] BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE½!!! If me not being here is a fucking scumtell for you then i can't help you. I can't post if i am not here, do you understand this simple fact? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 04 2013 00:33 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I think whatever you've found, you haven't found. The reason I was struggling so much with HF is that I generally found him reasonably townie, but I thought what you pointed out had merit. All his explanations make sense to me now though and he's stuck around and defended himself and pushed his ideas. Added to this, the fact that in some ways he didn't "get" the suspicions to me is a bit of a towntell. Yes i can see that. I am voting for Dirkzor because of what i said before. | ||
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