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On October 03 2013 22:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Holyflare where did you go?
Why do you feel like i am talking about Oats when i am clearly not?
Also do you think your case on him was good or not? Was making lunch. Talking about me talking about oats is what I'm implying. If only me, bh, risen and oats were talking at the start of the game and a person says that you are scum no matter what you say then they are stifling the discussion so yes, the points I made make sense and that is why I kept my vote on him further. He later dropped it and pursued other avenues of thought and thus, like I said, i removed my vote on him.
Okay so you basically OMGUSed Oats based on his vote on you, and when he dropped it, you dropped your vote on him right?
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Why does it feel like this cycle has been so unproductive?
I don't understand this whole rayn/holyflare thing.
rayn, hasn't holyflare voted for sloosh, who you described as scummy?
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I literally just made a long post about why there are better lynch candidates what are you getting at here?? I never said he was a towny read but he sure isn't the most scummy
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Can you just directly answer my question Holyflare, instead of flip-flopping around it?
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Ok I read everything. Need to get back to work.
At first glance HF big post is just that. Big. He talks about 5 people.
Oats: who he was voting for, but now find him less scummy for reason I really didn't understand. Oats pulling the case on me back can be a good move for both scum and town.
Then there is me and Risen. Both of whom are scummy but not lynch worthy.
Sloosh and Rayn however are is top lynch choices. Other then that he really just recaps what have been happening during day 1.
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On October 03 2013 22:54 Dirkzor wrote:
Ok I read everything. Need to get back to work.
At first glance HF big post is just that. Big. He talks about 5 people.
Oats: who he was voting for, but now find him less scummy for reason I really didn't understand. Oats pulling the case on me back can be a good move for both scum and town.
Then there is me and Risen. Both of whom are scummy but not lynch worthy.
Sloosh and Rayn however are is top lynch choices. Other then that he really just recaps what have been happening during day 1.
This post appears to be missing a conclusion.
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Okay so, here is what i am trying to say. This is what Holyflare says about his unvoting Oats:
On October 03 2013 21:38 Holyflare wrote:.... OatsHe starts out with his vote on me, convinced I am scum etc etc. He has the whole debacle with BH in which nothing really happens, he defend the fact that his vote is still on me, however, does not try and question it or contemplate that anyone else could be scum. I attribute this to the fact that it was early on in the game and there was no total alternative but it still seemed a bit tunnely to me (Which he actually addressed later on when he unvoted). + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:All those words. That dont mean anything. Show nested quote +it's the top scum play to stifle discussion. With his sure stance on me being scum and despite me resonding why I posted what I did is it not he who is in fact stifling the discussion?
I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do. Show nested quote +The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch. Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time. COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD. You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH. BH, is Holyflare a noob or not? He tells me to stop posting long posts, and that the points had no merit but then unvoted me after he re-read the next day. Which I also like about him. He's not afraid to admit that he was wrong and tunnel visioned. He's posted a lot of bs about how people can be scum if someone else is scum which seemed a bit like he was foreshadowing future events ie. + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES.  Marv you scum? Do you think he is? Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. I think Oats is making points about people that were original (ie. risen, although they work both ways) and he has stuck to Dirkzor, which I think was good seeing as people seemingly dismissed everything about him. I honestly think a lynch on oats would be a bad thing at this current point in time. I know my vote was/is on him but that was because I had been called out urgently yesterday and I apologise.
Later on he says he unvoted Oats because of his detunnel and because it is reasonable. Okay, this is cool and everything, except for:
On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I read/detunneled.
##vote Dirkzor
also sheeping marv is cool.
On October 03 2013 01:18 Holyflare wrote:.... As for oats, Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES. Marv you scum? Do you think he is? Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. That's ridiculous wifom and adds nothing to the entire topic. I don't like it one bit. Especially coupled with, Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I read/detunneled.
##vote Dirkzor
also sheeping marv is cool.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:33 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
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What's your read on Risen? null ~~ town Why? Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon. And cause he called Holyflare scum. I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on. Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment. Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no? I find risen scummy for that reason. I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again. I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown! So am I scum for that too? Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob. Without actually saying those words. Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him. Im very clearly sure he's scum. Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind. So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on. Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then? I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this? On October 02 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since when does BH play self righteous dick?
As any alignment?
So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining. I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy. Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too. WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ? I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH. Dirkzor had "an extreme stance on a first post" but it's ok to vote him now for it? Especially as you now say: Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man both Marv and Clarity are saying the exact same things. If you agree with Marv on his vote, why is it such a factor to you that someone else agrees with it so openly? At least he has put forth reasoning into his voting, even if it is similar to marvs. Yours just straight up changed until you were pressured to post why you switched and even then you haven't told us why you are voting dirk?
This can't be a reason for his unvote, because he does not unvote before now. He even quotes Oats' post where Oats "detunnels", and does not say it's good or anything. He only says it later on, when the thread sentiment is not in favor of lynching Oats anymore! Also his reasons for voting for Oats are bad in the first place.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Holyflare
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On October 03 2013 22:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why does it feel like this cycle has been so unproductive?
I don't understand this whole rayn/holyflare thing.
rayn, hasn't holyflare voted for sloosh, who you described as scummy?
What does Holyflare voting for Sloosh have to do with anything?
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rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because
1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?
That's the meat of it, right?
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On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because
1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?
That's the meat of it, right?
Yes.
+ the fact that his reasons for voting for Oats in the first place do not add up. He voted for Oats because of rng, then started finding reasons for Oats being scum. The reasons are bad and do not make Oats scum.
+ the fact that "hey this is how we find D1 lynch" is bullshit.
+ the fact that when i questioned him, he was trying to paint the discussion stupid "because why discuss Oats" when i am cleraly not discussing Oats.
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Like: "shus.. why do you want to discuss Oats, i have already unvoted him, see".
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On October 03 2013 23:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 22:54 Dirkzor wrote:
Ok I read everything. Need to get back to work.
At first glance HF big post is just that. Big. He talks about 5 people.
Oats: who he was voting for, but now find him less scummy for reason I really didn't understand. Oats pulling the case on me back can be a good move for both scum and town.
Then there is me and Risen. Both of whom are scummy but not lynch worthy.
Sloosh and Rayn however are is top lynch choices. Other then that he really just recaps what have been happening during day 1.
This post appears to be missing a conclusion.
Yeah it does... Was in a hurry :D
The point was that the post was big when it wasn't supposed to be. Why not write why he think sloosh is scummy and vote him. Maybe add tidbits of other things he think is worth noticing. Instead he makes recaps and adds bits about 5 people he finds scummy. Thats a bit much.
Maybe I have it stuck in my head now to read everything he writes as if he was scum but it just seems like a posting style that scum prefer because it makes them seem productive.
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Will you talk about that stuff with me, Holy?
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On October 03 2013 23:20 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 23:07 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2013 22:54 Dirkzor wrote:
Ok I read everything. Need to get back to work.
At first glance HF big post is just that. Big. He talks about 5 people.
Oats: who he was voting for, but now find him less scummy for reason I really didn't understand. Oats pulling the case on me back can be a good move for both scum and town.
Then there is me and Risen. Both of whom are scummy but not lynch worthy.
Sloosh and Rayn however are is top lynch choices. Other then that he really just recaps what have been happening during day 1.
This post appears to be missing a conclusion. Yeah it does... Was in a hurry :D The point was that the post was big when it wasn't supposed to be. Why not write why he think sloosh is scummy and vote him. Maybe add tidbits of other things he think is worth noticing. Instead he makes recaps and adds bits about 5 people he finds scummy. Thats a bit much. Maybe I have it stuck in my head now to read everything he writes as if he was scum but it just seems like a posting style that scum prefer because it makes them seem productive.
What's different about Holyflare's post in comparsion to mine?
Do you find him more scummy than me?
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Yours is equally bad for the same reasons but you don't have the history of making your posting get that towny feel. Also your post include no recaps. They just state.
There is nothing in your post that make me believe you are more town now then before the post. I'm interested in your beef with HF, because somehow I think it is a reach.
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On October 03 2013 23:35 Dirkzor wrote:
Yours is equally bad for the same reasons but you don't have the history of making your posting get that towny feel. Also your post include no recaps. They just state.
There is nothing in your post that make me believe you are more town now then before the post. I'm interested in your beef with HF, because somehow I think it is a reach.
So my post is equally bad for same reasons but the reasons are different? How does that make sense?
And how is my case reaching?
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Actually the more I think about it the scummier your post gets.
You get called out for inactivity and not producing. Of course you claim this is not alignment indicative but then you start producing like a maniac.
First of after spending some 24 hours in the RNG BH thing your conclusion is rather weak. You then proceed to jump on a minor (imo) thing about HF.
On October 03 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because
1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?
That's the meat of it, right? Yes. + the fact that his reasons for voting for Oats in the first place do not add up. He voted for Oats because of rng, then started finding reasons for Oats being scum. The reasons are bad and do not make Oats scum. + the fact that "hey this is how we find D1 lynch" is bullshit. + the fact that when i questioned him, he was trying to paint the discussion stupid "because why discuss Oats" when i am cleraly not discussing Oats.
Of those 3 bullets I only really think number 1 is worth noting.
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On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because
1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?
That's the meat of it, right?
He never calls oats' detunnel bad though. He quoted that post because it showed that oats was sheeping you, which he thought was a crock of shit because he called you null.
@rayn Yes, he ignores oats unvoting him. Then later he says he liked it. Please explain what is scummy
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On October 03 2013 23:48 Dirkzor wrote:Actually the more I think about it the scummier your post gets. You get called out for inactivity and not producing. Of course you claim this is not alignment indicative but then you start producing like a maniac. First of after spending some 24 hours in the RNG BH thing your conclusion is rather weak. You then proceed to jump on a minor (imo) thing about HF. Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because
1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?
That's the meat of it, right? Yes. + the fact that his reasons for voting for Oats in the first place do not add up. He voted for Oats because of rng, then started finding reasons for Oats being scum. The reasons are bad and do not make Oats scum. + the fact that "hey this is how we find D1 lynch" is bullshit. + the fact that when i questioned him, he was trying to paint the discussion stupid "because why discuss Oats" when i am cleraly not discussing Oats. Of those 3 bullets I only really think number 1 is worth noting.
What's minor about HF giving a reason for his Oats unvote that holds no water?
What's wrong with the point #3?
I can see that #2 can come from a townie aswell, but leaning mafia, because more likely.
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On October 03 2013 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because
1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?
That's the meat of it, right? He never calls oats' detunnel bad though. He quoted that post because it showed that oats was sheeping you, which he thought was a crock of shit because he called you null. @rayn Yes, he ignores oats unvoting him. Then later he says he liked it. Please explain what is scummy
Because if he likes it he should have unvoted at that time? He said later on, that it was the main reason for him to keep his vote on Oats (Oats voting for him), and he said it was one of the main reasons for him to unvote him. That didn't look like it when he first brought Oats' unvote up.
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