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On September 26 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: scumclaim. only one of us needs to be able to be that. say what? | ||
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We need to work together to frame some poor fuck and get him lynched. We need someone sufficiently dumb, yet loud, maybe yamato? | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:30 Grackaroni wrote: Hello Palmar, I am eager to help your mafia organization. Please tell me your mafia teammates so that I know not to shoot them tonight. Now that would be pushing it dude, I want my team to win. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm afraid that he's not loud enough. :/ But clearly you think he's dumb enough... anyway, noted. Let's move on. | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:14 Grackaroni wrote: lol you guys are so cute, that part was me trolling. I realize that nobody is going to follow a random lynch of a target deliberately chosen by me because that's not random. heh nice troll, you got us bud | ||
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I'll read this mess tomorrow | ||
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Hey Grack, read through yamato's posts and tell me if he's scum or town and why. | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:54 Grackaroni wrote: I guess It makes sense that he thinks he's more comfortable reading me now. He wasn't nearly as aggressive towards me when I made posts like this last game and it feels forced to me that he's so jumpy about my posts this game. The cases are forced, nothing about my random lynch is alignment indicative it was something I planned to do pre-game when I saw Palmar was playing. This is like the third time you point to something in your behavior is inconsistent with being mafia and therefore you cannot possibly be mafia. On September 27 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote: Show me a game where I vote someone early on as town, I don't know off hand if I have but I really doubt there is one. It's not my style. On September 27 2013 06:10 Grackaroni wrote: hah. I actually would be less inclined to propose a random lynch as mafia because I'm more comfortable being in control of the lynch. On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote: (Not intended to be insulting but instructive) Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1 FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1. This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching. | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:56 Grackaroni wrote: hahaha you accuse me every single game you cannot read me for shit. How about you go and read through Yamato's posts and tell me. Oh well, then I guess voting you off for being a jackass is a valid strategy, I can't read you for shit anyway, so why even bother having you in the game? ##Vote Grackaroni | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:48 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup Homies. long time sense I last played, lets get to it. First thoughts sense reading the thread, I would like to hear more from ShiaoPi, and VA. Both are giving off a "nothing to see here" vibe so far. Lets hear something more substantial please. Yamato, VE, and Grackaroni, you guys just keep doing your thing. On September 27 2013 12:54 hiro protagonist wrote: There 'thing' is talking alot and giving out reads and opinions. makes it easy to, you know, read them. On September 27 2013 13:46 hiro protagonist wrote: I find Palmar really hard to read... so far his play is less trolly than Im used to. His post in the first part of the game pusherd discussion along, some points for that. So far, he is in the null column. Lets see what he brings to the table. @WoS, Hiro Protagonist is the Protagonist of 'Snow Crash'. Hacker, worlds greatest swordsman, pizza delivery guy  funny that they 2 people on TL with that tag play Mafia.On September 27 2013 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote: I didnt say he wasn't trolling, just that he was less trolly. hes trolled waaaayyy hard than this. VA, your here, and actively lurking hardcore. reads? opinons? any thing at all to give me a reason not to lynch you? On September 27 2013 15:03 hiro protagonist wrote: Hmm, VA, in case you dont get it, you need to contribute. you cant just sit there and 'watch'. Unless you give me a good reason for you to just chill back(hint: you cant), then you better start giving me reads. what do you think af the game so far? who is suspicious in your eyes? What might have slipped under the radar? From this point on, your gonna carry your weight. got it? On September 27 2013 15:27 hiro protagonist wrote: I would like to see ShiaoPi and BH post more. kk, with that im off to bed ^__^ My favorite part is that he repeatedly asks people to give out reads and opinions, but doesn't provide any himself. I think the only read he's given so far is a "null" read on me, with absolutely no meat on it, just a "Palmar is hard to read". No attempt at analysis or anything. Not sure if this makes him scum though tbh, Hiro is notoriously timid even as town, at least he was when I last played with him, but this doesn't look good. Must evaluate. | ||
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On September 27 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote: OR CORRECT. HAH. so answer the question. Which question? I don't see anything in our recent conversation that suggests you were asking me something? | ||
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On September 27 2013 20:05 Pandain wrote: Palmar what do you plan to do this game. What do you perceive as your role I'm like Milli from Team Umizoomi. I have super pattern powers. | ||
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On September 27 2013 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote: There is no question. Good job Palmar. uh.. thanks? Hey, I have a question for you. What is VisceraEyes's alignment and why. And given your answer, try to predict what VE's next step in the game would be. Hint: there is a correct answer | ||
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On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote: We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. This exchange is very, very interesting. First off, take note that everything FirmTofu has done in this game was done in a span of half an hour, ie: in a single session. This is important because he intentionally drifts away from his conclusion that can be seen in the posts above. He seems quite certain Grack is scum, albeit with little reasoning. But his logic is completely off. If he thinks the chance of Grack flipping scum is so high, why doesn't he pile on? After all, trying to scumhunt the entire team on day 1 is completely retarded, you find scum, and you run with it. On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic. Additionally, ShiaoPi is 100% not the only person that falls into this category. I don't particularly mind the ShiaoPi vote at this point, but note again the timing is important. Less than 20 minutes after calling Grack probable scum, FT is voting for someone else with equally awful reasons. Again, I don't mind voting ShiaoPi, but WHY does FT vote him over Grack? That's the important question here. Nothing in FT's posts explains his choice to do so, there is no logical reason for him, from the information he presents us with, to go after SP over FT, yet he does it. Also, I don't give a shit about you going to bed or reading other games FT, stop with the excuses. | ||
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On September 27 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote: Maybe to put pressure on SP? I don't find it scummy tbh. With limited time he could have voted Grack and then make a case on SP. Or just 1up grack and then make case + vote to give his case more value. If you think someone is scum you don't try to create a new bandwagon. If you another guy has more chance of flipping scum than someone who's already under pressure, you make a case that's you know.. actually a case, to convince people to follow your reasoning. As to your point about putting pressure on SP, do you honestly think that SP feels any kind of pressure from a random vote with no reasons to back it up, from a guy who has no influence on the game so far. Remember FT hasn't done anything to establish himself as a person that demands attention in town. Or are you merely saying FT is stupid and thinks that his vote holds more value than it does? | ||
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On September 27 2013 21:09 Koshi wrote: I don't think it is stupid at all. FT also says he will make a case if Grack leads in votes. I am not a fan of people playin this game 1 hour a day but FT made a splash and I dont find that splash scummy. What's the point of making a case on someone that is up for lynch. If said person is #1 or #2, he most likely has been discussed to death, so it's just a matter of coming to a conclusion on whether or not you agree with the current logic in the thread. Saying he "made a splash" is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. FT made a quiet random vote with no reasons behind it that made exactly 0 people think twice about ShiaoPi. That is equally pointless as refusing to discuss Grack until it's too late to influence the discussion. So if FT wants to be useless and irrelevant, he's doing a splendid job. | ||
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On September 27 2013 21:34 yamato77 wrote: ? I thought this was Palmar posting, because of the P capital and the IT icon, but then I realized you're Pandain. I made the same mistake earlier and thought for a second "man I'm dumb" | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar are you planning on lynching mafia D1 even if you are scum? I haven't decided yet. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno yet, leaning town. Interesting, should we lynch you? That's not for me to decide. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:09 yamato77 wrote: I don't care much about this grack lynch anymore. It's too overtalked for my liking. Now we're lynching this dude for refusing to play the game. ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority Given this: On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote: I think Palmar is town. Shouldn't you at least show my points against FT the respect of offering input, anything? It seems very strange to not at least consider what my analysis means. I have never played with the guy so I wouldn't know if being awful is just what he does, how about you help out instead chasing policy lynches. If we policy lynch we can decide that much later in the day. | ||
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I think VE is town, that's given 2 scumteams... is that strange? | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point. Explain please? | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:17 Grackaroni wrote: Palmar you don't think it's possible FT thought too much discussion was focused on me and wanted to progress the thread? Why would he want to do that if he thinks you're "probably scum". That makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment). Given this, I really don't understand this: On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can yamato even say you are town Palmar? You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't? | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i think it's suspicious that he declareas you town. In this game making sense in a townie way does not necessarily mean you are town, you might just be attacking another scumteam. yamato should know that your posting this far does not make you town. On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment). Atm i wanna lynch WoS. ##Vote: WaveofShadow The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it. The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion. For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense. That, too, seems inconsistent. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:32 Grackaroni wrote: FT has been mislynched day 1 in his 2 last town games. That reason alone makes me skeptical. I wouldn't know, never played with the guy. Maybe he's just bad. Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore it when he does stupid or strange things. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:54 Grackaroni wrote: But that should still be a factor for you when making your reads No it shouldn't. I'm not trying to kill him yet. When I'm trying to kill someone the whole thread knows. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful. That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you. What's wrong with my case on WoS? Are you saying i am not allowed to make a case on him when i am discussing something different? Why does the timing of my case make me scum? Was i supposed to make it in my first post, why? Whatever. Re: WoS case. Did you unlearn how to make and push cases since we last played together? If you throw a random vote with little reasoning or an unconvincing case behind it in the middle of something else going on, it's so pointless you might as well not do it. And I didn't say you were scum. I said you were inconsistent. This could be due to numerous other reasons, bad, lazy, don't care etc. Are you scum? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is my case unconvincing? Count the number of people who have been convinced by it. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no reason for a townie to shit over the town in the beginning of the game and eclare the game is basically lost. There is zero town motivation in that. If you can give me one good reason why promoting badtown atmosphere is townie then i will reconsider my vote. I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment. So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any. What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you think you know about WoS playstyle Palmar? I'll tell you later honey | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:28 Grackaroni wrote: Palmar you never explained what happened to you with the random lynch idea. You've played games where you push the idea for a long time with nobody backing you and now for the first time a lot of people were in support of it and it actually had a chance of happening and you didn't push it. I got distracted by content. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you consider to be other cases atm? Grackaroni and FT? FirmTofu is really bad on D1's as town. I don't think him saying what he has makes him scum. Grackaroni is right on what he says about FT. I need more from him to judge his alignment. I don't even understand the case on Grackaroni so i can't really comment on it. yamato, hiro protagonist etc. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I like the idea of random lynching if we can develop a way to randomize it so it is truly random. This is actually very simple to implement. Create a website that displays both the current time and a name of a random person in the game, changing for example every minute, or 5 minutes. Then someone who isn't the website creator, preferably someone with a universal town-lean (like VE in this game) is selected to pick the "lynch" time. He doesn't announce the lynch time until two conditions are met. a) the website creator is probably sleeping (ie: do it 4am his time) b) the lynch time is within a very short time (~10-30 minutes) This way the website creator has minimal chance of affecting the lynch by changing the code. (I know I wouldn't be arsed to stay up) And everyone who is in the thread at the time can verify the lynch by screenshotting the website at the announced time. I think this is the easiest way of doing it. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: In Golden Sun i figured BH was scum from his first 3 posts. I got into an argument with Grackaroni on D1 aswell. These were the first things i did in that game. They were both scum. Both of my arguments were called "incredibly bad" by ~80% of the townies. So i doubted myself and looked elsewhere. I tried explaining myself for about 5 pages in my filter, apparently i was not convincing enough. I had a 40 or something page filter in that game. 20 pages of it is me telling people why Vayne, Grackaroni and BH are scum. Nobody listened to me even when i took multiple approaches. I basically did everything i could. The 20 other pages were me arguing with townies who forced me to choose a lynch between a guy who was confirmed town to me by a cop check and a guy who i was 99% sure is town, or townies who forced me to vote for them in LYLO because they wouldn't look at the situation objjectively. Nobody listened. Ever. I really don't care as much as i used to, because that game was so fucked up. I don't agree with this, in fact I think it's stupid. But I accept the conclusion. | ||
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We killing yamato? I'm in. ##Unvote ##Vote yamato77 | ||
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On September 28 2013 08:24 yamato77 wrote: he definitely mentioned the vote as something scummy whatever VE. VE MY NIGGA, NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH BULLSHIT. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Kosher | ||
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I once saw a jewish person when I was in the USA. It was great. | ||
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On September 28 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote: You should comment on SnB's case Palmar. Do I have to it's awful? Not tonight at least. | ||
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On September 28 2013 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote: lulz. It's believable, that's what I like about it. Ok let's play a game. It's called, 'Guess the scumteams.' You go first.  Can I play too? | ||
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On September 28 2013 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm the only one playing? Effing BS I want to play, but I'm waiting for WoS to let me. | ||
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On September 28 2013 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: When you look at someone's posts you think is mafia, and ~40% of his posts is talking about X, you tend to forget about the X when you are analyzing his alignment? I agree it's a strange mistake to make. Just so we're clear, you're assuming that he's LYING about forgetting, not that he actually forgot, right? | ||
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On September 28 2013 16:51 hiro protagonist wrote: Sense everyone else is given out there scum teams: VE/FT/ and mayyyyyybeeeee ShiaoPo Only one team? Is that consistent with the amount you're scumhunting? #Scumslip #lynchthisguy | ||
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Wow So aggressiv So write bad case Glass house Wow maybe reconsider | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey, this is a dumb argument Palmar. Why? | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:15 Koshi wrote: I cannot believe FT with 2 scumreads is on my ass CR where is your.love? I need your love now. Grack move your ass off me if you are town. WoS you the same. This isnt funny anymore. I will hate you the most for this lynch. Palmar be sensible plz. The rest of you are fuckers and no longer my bros. You need to write many big posts. | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because activity =/= alignment and your argument is bades purely on activity. No it isn't. Anyway, he's not getting lynched so this discussion is useless. | ||
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On September 28 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know he is not getting lynched because of this rng shit, but you are lying, your argument is based purely on activity. The one argument I have presented is based on activity. And hell, that's good enough argument to rather try to lynch Rol, or Hiro etc. | ||
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Best post in the thread. 10/10 would read again. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay you are town. ##Unvote: ##Vote: BlazingHand Coaching instead of playing. So here's a thought, how about instead of being awful, now that you agree WoS isn't scum, you actually spend the tiny amount of time to consider the people who are you know... actually likely to flip scum. FT, Hiro, RoL: Go! | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote: Also palmar is still scum. Basically it looks like he jumped on the random lynch wagon instead of pushing his scum read because it was easier and because he's been captain random lynvh in past town games. But the thing is, he has been captain random lunch because it gives valuable analysis, never just for the purpose of circumventing analysis I on say one. But here we have all the positions to analyze but instead of doing that or pushing his scum read he is down with random lunching. Put that with my earlier case and we should be voting pmar. Did anyone ever actually disagree with or counter my case? Cause I will argue with them if so. We should be voting palmar ibaread of koshi. shut up you're awful | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Palmar you think hiro is scum? Did you read is random angry post about me at some point last night? Does that seem like something scum would post? Haven't filtered/analysed Hiro since I pointed out his weird start (see my filter). I don't really have time to re-read and come to a conclusion. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't have the information i have now. You didn't aswell. Yet you were sure WoS is town despite calling his posts "bad", while knowing WoS is not a bad player. You, Sir, are scum. *Also VE is totally a boss and i can't lynch him ever just because he listens to awesome music. WoS is historically awful unless he's taken massive improvements since I last played with him. I mentioned there being a benefit in putting him under pressure at some point, the reason being that I played a game with him where he was town and bad until people wanted to lynch him, and somehow he actually became useful when under pressure. I think this was that game where BC quickhammered me because why not. However, if WoS is scum, as you suggested at the point, he's engaging very casually in conversation in the thread, making big posts and directly conversing with people. Maybe he's good as scum, but for the most part just doing that is pretty advanced and better than what I'd expect out of WoS. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) Palmar's stance on yamato is fucked up. I don't remember ever giving a stance on yamato. I voted him sheeping VE, but that's not a stance on yamato, that's a stand on VE. So now you have to PROVE where my stance on yamato is fucked up, or if you can't you're lying. | ||
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On September 29 2013 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Seriously though let's be fair here. Ego boost since last few games aside, I wouldn't call myself Ace or anything. I don't consider myself awful anymore but I think I'm decent. LXI, in which we both played Palmar, was a horrible game for me and was still pretty early in my mafia career. I don't think I've had a game that bad since (maybe one where I smurfed). You can check my profile for my games if you'd like to see my performance in any of them. Maybe. LXI is my baseline. | ||
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On September 29 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy fucking shit. I have talked about Palmar and his stance on yamato for a a year. Why don't people read? Hi. Stop talking shit. You don't know my stance on yamato. | ||
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On September 29 2013 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also you failed to answer (2). Becaue it's true? Yep. Mostly trying to avoid a bad lynch | ||
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On September 29 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah from before the "RNG KOSHI" stage. A stance that's inconsistent and never explained. Again I never gave my stance on him. Please prove otherwise. | ||
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Rol, hiro, yamato, ft are good lynches. Afk ppl are ok too. So is kosher. Rest is bad idea. | ||
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On September 29 2013 04:41 Chairman Ray wrote: Do we wanna talk about why the transition onto Yamato has been so smooth? Like I mean when we were all on Koshi, there was heavy resistance. After switching onto Yamato, I haven't seen much effort to get back onto Koshi. I'm kinda worried here. Irrelevant. At maximum 2 people would resist the lynch. It's highly likely most of the mafia is fairly inactive | ||
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On September 29 2013 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: You could say I'm resisting it by being too lazy to BBcode on my phone. That make you feel any better dumplin? I bbcoded that voteswitch on mine. You lazy scum? | ||
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Short version is: the worst player in the game gets lynched day 1 . Regardless of alignment. | ||
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On September 29 2013 05:06 yamato77 wrote: It is not my fault I got lynched. No one scumhunted all day, people just listened to loud idiots like BH all day. Fuck all of you. 10/10 would lynch again | ||
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On September 29 2013 05:21 yamato77 wrote: Awful. You are. I agree. | ||
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On September 29 2013 06:11 Chairman Ray wrote: Should we stop posting reads and analysis during the nightphase to make it harder to guess blues? Why do people think this is a good idea? | ||
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On September 29 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote: Hey Palmar, hurry up and solve the game already. I foresee an endgamed in my future. Want to talk out reads with me? Not now, I seriously thought we were beyond starting games on weekends, it's dumb. But later. | ||
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Koshi - Probably town, if scum he played getting hit by the RNG pretty well. VisceraEyes - Keep an eye out on how much of a leadership role he takes. He was very townie early on in day 1, but I'm somewhat unsure how much of a role he truly played in the yamato lynch. I need to re-read. If he starts fading into the background reconsider, but for now town. Oatsmaster - Confrontational and an asshole, completely useless too, so that kinda fits him being town Blazinghand - Probably town, needs to be more in the forefront. WaveofShadow - Too active, too free-flowing and engages easily with people to be scum. Pandain - His case was ok. If he keeps trying he's town. Pandain is awful as scum anyway so he'll fuck up sooner or later if he is. Haven't analysed/read at all: Chairman Ray Mr. Cheesecake VayneAuthority austinmcc Only done a quick read/null: strongandbig - if I die he's less likely (only slightly) to be scum (unlikely his scumteam would shoot me after he spends time creating a case on me), but I have no idea really, I think his case was wrong because of bads, not because of malicious. ShiaoPi - One of the best candidates for re-reading. He hasn't done anything worth noting all game, at least that I noticed. I'm going to look into him when I have time. raynpelikoneet - Don't really know. Grackaroni - Again, read some, no conclusion Scummy people hiro protagonist - His start was awfully conservative. I still haven't spent time looking at his later posts, but yeah. RebirthOfLeGenD - Said he'd catch up, didn't. FirmTofu - See my earlier analysis. Haven't paid attention to him since. ------------------- please don't take this list as gospel, my reads on night 1 (especially with a weekend start) are okay, but not great. I'm prety sure most of the scum is in my null/scum zone, but if someone does something stupid, don't let the come back and go "BUT PALMAR SAID I WAS TOWN". Anyway, I won't have time to play much today. Writing this in case I can't be back before deadline. | ||
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On September 30 2013 02:26 Pandain wrote: Sorry guys I asked for a replacement but apparently there are no more. Going to have to catch up, going to do individual analysis's instead of comprehensive reads. Anyone give me a quick catch-up? I'll re-read thread during my lull periods. Is it night or day? I actually do that btw, when I think I've conclusively found scum I am one of the greatest tunnelers around these parts. None of the cases Grack points out are conclusive, thus I did not do much with them. The closest one is my point on FT, but when I brought it up people repeatedly defended him based on the fact that apparently he's just awful at mafia and a lynchbait, so I kinda backed off. | ||
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I re-read my exchange with reyn yesterday. This is the important part: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19862253 He falsely claimed that I had given a stance on yamato, when in fact I hadn't. Don't forget this. He tried to use something I never said against me. Also, because no one commented on it the first time around, read this too if I die, it's not much but... On September 28 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote: Only one team? Is that consistent with the amount you're scumhunting? #Scumslip #lynchthisguy I actually think it could be ^^ | ||
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On September 30 2013 04:35 Grackaroni wrote: You do admit day 1 is your best day though. When was the last time you just failed to find anyone you thought was likely mafia while actively posting. day 1 is my strongest day because generally I'm very good at finding townies. I had less time on day 1 than usual, and I had a good reason to think yamato was scum. | ||
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On September 30 2013 06:21 Grackaroni wrote: Your case is wrong about his lack of a stance on RNG and I've already said what I wanted to say about the vote but he's been completely useless after saying he wanted to pressure as much scum as possible and hasn't done anything town-like so I guess I'm up for lynching him This is, as you probably know, a change of heart from day 1, where you were the number one guy trying to shut down cases on FT. I understand your original defense was simply "Well I expect him to be bad because he's always bad". I'm just getting a clarification, do you still put no value in the points made by me or even bh back on day one, and is your sole reason for changing your mind the fact that he "hasn't done anything town-like". | ||
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On September 30 2013 17:24 hiro protagonist wrote: CR hasent been on my radar. skimming his filter, hes pretty genuine in his assessments. would not lynch today. Please use specific examples and explain why the bolded is true. | ||
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On September 30 2013 08:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't care whether other people or agree with me or not. So no I don't really care too much to "push" lynches. Your condescending tone is very charming and I look forward to future chats. So you don't care that you're awful at mafia? | ||
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Shiaopi do you still think FT is town, do you think his reasons for wanting to lynch you are legit? And why do you think VE is scum? | ||
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I'm leaning town on you. I disagree with your stance on FT, but our conclusions are compatible, so I guess it's a non-issue. | ||
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On September 30 2013 21:14 Grackaroni wrote: leaning own on the condition that I vote FT. Is that a question? | ||
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On September 30 2013 21:25 Grackaroni wrote: It just seems odd that the first thing you do when you get back is try to push this FT/Grack connection Where did I push any such connection? I asked you to clarify your change of stance, because how and why people change their minds is one of the best ways to find scum. On September 30 2013 21:25 Grackaroni wrote: and then you leave a read on me that is based off of that rather than just reading my posts. Maybe you should read my posts better. Did you not notice that I basically said your reasoning to be okay with killing FT was bad? In fact, I would be more likely to think you're scum based on your willingness to lynch FT, because I think your reasons are bad. However, I haven't really considered you scum for a pretty long time, if I remember correctly somewhere around mid-day day 1. For the most part that read still stands. On September 30 2013 21:25 Grackaroni wrote: My read on FT right now is no different than your read on ShiaoPi. I've given almost reasons as to why I want to lynch ShiaoPi, basically "he hasn't done anything". So yes, I suppose they could be considered similar. | ||
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On September 30 2013 21:33 Grackaroni wrote: Your response was like a total sneaky scum response. "I think you are town, but a lot of people think you could be scum with FT so I will base it off of that and then maybe I am open to push you later" Except that I didn't, I never did anything that would leave you open to a push later. Hell, we don't even know FT will flip scum? What's your problem dude? | ||
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On September 30 2013 21:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not that worried, I think there genuinely could be some scum agenda there between you and Pandain. Pandain was on my scumteam but I fired him for aids and bads. (see personality mafia, I have a reason to think pandain is awful as scum). | ||
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On September 30 2013 21:42 Grackaroni wrote: I skimmed through it. He claimed he could take away people's powers and then said that Kurumi was just a VT now. I can't remember exactly what happened, basically we were in IRC, and syllogism was telling pandain "Don't do X because then Y will happen". Panadin promptly did X and Y happened. Syllo and I got mad. Good times were had. | ||
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Can you give me your top 8 townreads? | ||
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Can y ou explain your CR read to me? | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:09 Grackaroni wrote: CR is mostly just a gut read. I could be mistaken there. S&B just makes a lot of good posts and has been carefully reading the thread. Aside from his posts on you I think he even brought up a decent point about my inconsistency with the random lynch. CR I agree with btw, I hadn't paid any attention to him so I just read through his filter, no reason to think he's scum based on what he's posted so far. | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:10 Grackaroni wrote: S0lstice posted in here earlier as replacement I believe so RoL is out didn't notice, thanks | ||
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In fact if the hosts could just modkill everyone but me that'd be grand. | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote: who are you gonna vote for Palmar? I'm already voting for FT | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:43 Koshi wrote: Why not join 1 person mafia games? You win as either alignment. always. Who am I supposed to call dumb then? | ||
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On September 30 2013 23:43 Grackaroni wrote: Actually would like to see some analysis on Rayn from Palmar. I agree that I don't know what Rayn was talking about with Palmar's stance on Yamato. I tried to get Rayn to say it straight up when we got into that argument, but he never took the bait. Just to clear it up. I said that I did not hold it against yamato to have a town read on me at that point in the game. rayn thought it was suspicious that yamato did have a town read on me. So I pointed out that rayn himself said something like "Everything Palmar is saying makes sense". So we didn't agree whether or not yamato's townread on me was legit, and I used an example that rayn basically gave Oats a townread for "being an asshole" or something like that. So I saw no problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense. However, at a later point Rayn seems to have expanded that one nugget "Palmar doesn't have a problem with yamato calling him town" into something that he seems to consider an entire "stance" on yamato from me, when all I really did was say that there was nothing suspicious about yamato considering me town. Yamato did plenty of other things on day 1 that made me want to lynch him, but calling me town wasn't one of them. It was a strange conversation because Rayn wasn't really following it, if I remember correctly. The bottom line is that I called Rayn inconsistent by calling out yamato for giving me an easy townread, while doing the same thing himself with oats. Then he created the whole "stance" thing out of thin air, because I don't know. He could very well be scum. A lot of the things he's said have been awkward or strange. Don't expect me to do a post-by-post analysis today though, maybe tomorrow. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19852553 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19850842 | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:27 Oatsmaster wrote: sheep palmar. Hey if you are wrong again Palmar, can we lynch you? Sure. | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote:grackaroni Grack is probably town, head out of ass please. | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:43 VayneAuthority wrote: alternatively, i will vote for pandain or palmar why? | ||
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And in this game there's extra incentive to shoot the people that are suspicious of you and not shoot the people who aren't, because for all scum-Palmar knows, Blazinghand might be on the other scumteam, flip scum, and town goes HERP DERP SCUMBUDDIES and lynches scum-Palmar. | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:52 VayneAuthority wrote: Also, WoS reaction to yet another one of my bait posts was horrible and if FT flips town I would strongly look into him Show us this. | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:57 VayneAuthority wrote: show you what? I purposefully made a zero content vote post and WoS starts crying his eyes out to lynch me. Gullible scum or emotional town link me both please, this sounds incredibly dumb and I need a laugh. | ||
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On October 01 2013 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: it's right on the previous page o_O I will say this though, the fighting between FT and shiao does lead me to believe there is probably 1 scum between them, but not both. So carry on with that. "one of my bait posts" sounded like you had done it multiple times. Anyway, I think WoS's reaction is quite appropriate. I think Grack is one of the less likely people in the game to be scum, so I don't see an issue with WoS reacting to you voting him. | ||
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On October 01 2013 01:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Can anyone give me a reason to not vote Hiro other than "These targets are better" That's not how it works. I agree, Hiro has a high chance of flipping scum. We want to lynch scum today. Can you prove that he has higher chance of flipping scum than FT? If so, i'm with you bro, I'm right here, but my initial conclusion was that FT had a higher chance to flip scum. | ||
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On October 01 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote: He was also "one of the least likely people to be scum" in our previous game as scum together. Didn't stop him from being scum. He posts a shit ton and makes long posts either way. I don't really like much of anything he's said this game. If I'm wrong so be it, but I don't think I am. Difference is I'm actually good at mafia. | ||
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On October 01 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote: Because I knew somebody would get upset that I posted no reasoning behind it. and boy was I correct, the pigeons are really gathering around now. This guy is hilarious. I wonder if intentionally dumb or accidentally dumb. | ||
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On October 01 2013 05:26 Koshi wrote: The thing he said is actually good advice. FT doesn't give 2 shits and doesn't do it himself ofc... Also FS case on SP has more thought in it than everything from SP combined. But don't want to defend FT really. ##unvote ##vote FT But dnu if FT has a better chance to flip scum. Some serious bussing going on here. Unless HP is in same team as FT. Don't worry, rayn is sadbussing his teammate. | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys. I'm reading and I'll post something up pretty soon. Don't ask me anything until I do, because I won't answer you if you do. Neither has this. Tbh, both of the replacements are being useless. Good vigi shots. | ||
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No idea what drugs you're on Oats. | ||
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VA shouldn't be in the town category, Pandain should, but that's about it, I think. And of course you should be in the scum category and I shouldn't be. | ||
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Please do, before you continue bringing this fabrication up. | ||
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On October 01 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: You didn't call yamato out for his townread on you. I already have explained why there was no good reasons for yamato to have a townread on you at that time. Instead you went into an argument with me about it. What am i supposed to take from it? That you have a scumread on him but you are arguing with me because i have a scumread on him? That's bullshit Palmar. Then, after that, you sheep VE into a vote on yamato, for no apparent reason. This game isn't binary. No one, not even the worst scumplayer in history, gives himself away in every sentence or every read he makes throughout the game. Some things scum do are not scummy, and some things townies do are. At this point in game I considered myself to have done enough to warrant people calling me town. I had no problem with yamato's townread, in fact, while I haven't gone back to check the timing, I think he wasn't the only person giving me a townread. You weren't supposed to take anything away from it. I wasn't trying to investigate yamato at the time, I was digging into YOU. I was simply using a point we disagreed on as an attempt to figure out how you are thinking this game. I went into an argument with you not because I disagreed yamato was likely scum at the time, but because I wanted to figure out if your reasoning was solid enough. I did agree that yamato was scummy, but not for the same reasons. When FT flips, there'll be a lot of people who agreed he was scummy, even if I'm right and he's scum, there's bound to be some scum on his wagon. The trick will be to figure out whose reasoning was solid and honest, and who just kinda bandwagoned the lynch in a malicious way. | ||
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On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. This is where we disagree, I think the only reason people DON'T have townreads on me is that they're afraid this is somehow some amazing scumPalmar game, or of course because I'm usually controversial so a pretty easy target to tunnel as long as I'm occupied with lynching someone else. If I was anyone else people would be lining up to call me a townie. There's no reason to call out yamato for having a townread on me (and as proven by his flip, it was a genuine read, nothing wrong with it). | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i think it's not impossible to have town reads. I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point. I think VE is town aswell, i also think Oats is town. On October 01 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt? ##Unvote ##Vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On October 01 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: My townreads on people are not based on their actions (=actions towards other players in general, scumreads and shit), but based on their behavior in general. Oats and VE behave differently as scum than they do as town, whatever they say. It has nothing to do what they say, it has to do how they say things and why. I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around. I did not do anything to your words. I literally quoted your posts straight up. The first one says that "I think it's impossible to have a town read on you" - Which I can only take to mean that this phenomenon applies only to me specifically. The second one says: "people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions" - Which I'm taking to mean that no one should be considered town at that point. I even addressed the first point in this post here: On October 01 2013 22:27 Palmar wrote: I think the only reason people DON'T have townreads on me is that they're afraid this is somehow some amazing scumPalmar game. If I was anyone else people would be lining up to call me a townie. You're changing your arguments depending on how they fit your conclusion. That means your conclusion is predetermined and thus you're scum. | ||
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On October 01 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Read my last post and think again what you are saying. I have no idea what you're saying. Let me try to wrap my head around it. You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read. You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense. Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense. It was literally this: On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote: I think Palmar is town. at work BTW so no more posting So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out? | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i am saying is that there are some players whose scum/town play have quite a big differences. One of them is Oats, another one is VE. I don't think those differences would disappear even in a game where there are 2 scumteams. Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS). That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times. Who knows, maybe yamato can spot the difference between my town game and my scum game. Just because you're bad and can't, doesn't mean everyone else is. I don't think Oats is massively different as scum and town. I usually have a fairly difficult time figuring out his alignment. You seem to think otherwise. Does this make every read I give on Oats ever invalid? You're basically trying to play the fear card on me. It's super annoying when people call me scum, not because I'm doing anything scum would do or playing scummy in any way, but just because they're afraid I might be scum doing town things and looking like town. How the hell do you know yamato wasn't using exactly the same meta reasoning you're using on Oats, or I used on VE to figure out my alignment. I can't remember, BH also figured out my alignment, do you think his townread on me was bogus too? Clearly by your standards there's literally nothing I can do to make me appear town to you, and apparently you're fine with tunneling that point of view. | ||
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I haven't read VA thoroughly yet, without checking, I think he was in my "not read yet" list. Then he basically started talking some really dumb stuff (like that trap on Oats). I see no reason to give him a townread. I liked Pandain's day 1 case, I liked his case on FT too, and to be honest his points against VA contribute to my thinking that you're wrong on those two. Do you disagree? | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:26 Palmar wrote: Neither has this. Tbh, both of the replacements are being useless. Good vigi shots. On October 01 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so do you disagree with my point though? That's what I got after rereading man, it's not much but then, not much is fucking happening is it Palmar? So yeah, watch out for it, I know I even mentioned it during the night that we needed to keep an eye on VE if he doesn't take any kind of a leadership role in town, but for now I think he gets a pass based on too many other options for the lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn why are you less aggressive this game? Because he's scum | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that. So if you're demotivated, why don't we just lynch you, thus you don't have to try to convince anyone your reads are genuine, and you don't have to play. Deal? | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can lynch me if people promise to lynch you on D3 in case i flip town. Deal? Deal. | ||
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##Vote FirmTofu Based on simply the fact that I think he's slightly more likely to flip scum, I don't particularly care which of the two gets lynched. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: FirmTofu ##Unvote ##Vote Shiaopi ^^ | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:58 Koshi wrote: Should I switch to SP? yeah let's do it Fuck rayn! | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:58 Koshi wrote: FT tell me. Honest to God. Are you town? We can just lynch him tomorrow Today is about making rayn look bad. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:59 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Shiaopi MY MAN KOSHER | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: NO FUCK YOU PALMAR! Lynch FT! EZ GAME EZ RARES GET SKILLED BRO | ||
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On October 02 2013 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think so. You seem more invested than I'd expect as scum. I haven't really disagreed with your scumreads, though admittedly I may be biased because I'm not one of them (as far as I know). Why? Mostly because I don't know if you are. Could you like spam a bit and explain your reads through the game. Additionally, I think I'm waffling on rayn being scum based on what just happened here. I'm not entirely sure. | ||
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On October 02 2013 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, but "what just happened here"....just happened here. How could that affect your read BEFORE when you would have/could have pushed a rayn lynch? Are you referring to the argument you guys were having? Like, did it feel like townie rayn arguing with you or something? Based on his reaction to my vote-switch, and in fact also that he actually piled on to FT. We know he couldn't have been trying to save Shiao, and he's definitely not on a scumteam with FT, so that pile-on vote was a pretty risky move for him if he's scum. But I'm not really sure. | ||
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A few quick thoughts. I'm less sure in my early townreads and more sure in my later ones. Especially I think Koshi, Chairman Ray and Grack are very unlikely scum. VE, Oats, Pandain, WoS more likely than before (but still nowhere near lynch territory, let's say I'm leaning town on them. A quick note on WoS, for someone that was willing to enter an argument early in the game about his proficiency at mafia I don't feel like he is having the influence his own perception of his skill should warrant. If you think you're so good why aren't you trying to lead us? I have still to read CC and the replacements through. I'm assuming at least one if not two scum in there because that's kind of what I do, I always ignore the lay-low scum. SnB still hasn't done jack shit, good candidate for lynching tomorrow. I still think Hiro's entrance into the thread was really awkward and he's not doing much at all, another good lynch. Rayn is a bit of a question mark, he's super reckless (to the point of being willing to die just to make a point, I don't know if he anticipated no one going along with it, or if he just doesn't care). He's doing stupid things, not taking an active stance about anything for the most part except me. I don't really know if all this makes him ballsy scum or reckless town, in both cases he's being very useless. Vayne is another question mark. He's being an asshole about being awful at the game. I have no idea why. He also indicated he's been playing this a long time, which is important because he would probably be pretty towny if he was new to mafia. FT remains a good lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:01 Koshi wrote: I love your reads Palmar. You are town. Also a good player. I would consider using your vest. I might use it tonight. We'll see. | ||
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On October 03 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw Palmar switching to ShiaoPi was true bullshit. ShiaoPi and FT were bith about to die. ShiaoPi posted reads, the dude was like typing all the time in case he gets lynched he'll get as much as possible out. FT sat back, promised reads and what we got? Yeah, nothing. It's your fault for voting FT, I was like "hell naw I aint agreeing with that guy". | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: rofl. How? I don't even know 1 member... #Scumslip | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:07 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure s0lstice is scum now. ##vote: s0Lstice Do I need to read his filter or are you guaranteeing it? | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:13 s0Lstice wrote: youve said like twice now 'guys i havent read the replacements yet.' and you still havent. i mean this is totally egocentric, but being that ive given so little to go off of im perturbed that you are so blase in regards to me. are you scum? In Kosher we trust. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:18 s0Lstice wrote: yea his points are really convincing. i liked the part where he was like 's0lstice is scum.' That's exactly the part I liked! | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:44 Pandain wrote: Palmar why did you change from FT to SP. Merely because Rayn voted FT? yeah | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:31 austinmcc wrote: Don't believe so. Reads change, but reads based SOLELY on what a scum wrote about someone is kinda smelly. For those that have played in games with multiple known scum teams, did it affect your play at all? More/less defensive of teammates? I don't think it affects play at all. I don't agree that bussing is less likely in a multiple family game, I think I bussed sandroba for like 4 days or something in Liar game. | ||
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Think about it for a second. | ||
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Why doesn't he do anything... | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:50 Koshi wrote: Sure you made a case on FT. But you voted 5 people before you voted FT. You made 0 cases on those 5 people. But the guy you have a scumread on and make a case on you vote after the wagon get's steam. And then you are the first to get off FT when he gets back with some sobstory and SP martyrs. Sure. You can be scum with FT. Voting is irrelevant. The only thing that's actually relevant is where it is at the end of the day. There is no upside for scumPalmar with FT to do what I did. I don't know your alignment, do you think I infiltrated your mind knowing you would agree with the switch? How do you think scumPalmar looks if the voteswitch doesn't happen (remember, we needed you to seal the deal) and FT flips scum. If scumPalmar is FTs scumbuddy he's basically fucked at that point. I'm not that dumb. I voted SP to troll/spite rayn. There's nothing more to it. I'm one of the major reasons FT was under suspicion anyway. I just thought SP would flip scum too. | ||
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On October 03 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote: I meant FT obviously. I am pretty sure that you could either go back to SP or that you might just wanted to buss FT. Maybe that is why FT was so sad. His own teammate bussing him D:. Like I said. The more I think about it. The more likely you are scum. I'm going to explain step to step why it's highly improbable that your theory is right. I'm starting at this votecount For the sake of the argument we're assuming scumPalmar. 1. The vote stands at 5-5, Firmtofu is set to be lynched 2. s0lstice comes in and puts shiaopi at 6-5, making him the prime lynch candidate At this point I'm back in the thread. I have basically two options, run with the wagon on shiaopi, or put my vote on FT, I go with the latter 3. I even up the vote, with shiaopi still up for the lynch at 6-6 4. rayn comes in, unvotes shiaopi and votes FT, making it 7-5 in favor of FT, making him the lynch candidate. In order for me to have a viable excuse for switching, it requires me to predict that if FT is going to be lynched, it's going to be rayn that makes the first voteswitch. This is important as he's the ONLY person in the game I can legitimately claim to just not wanting to agree with. 5. I switch to shiaopi, putting them back at 6-6 with FT still the lynch candidate Again, I have to predict that not only rayn provides me with a reasonable excuse to make the switch, but also that someone else would come in and hammer SP. Of course, you can assume this third person is my teammate (that'd be you or vayne), or that I just got lucky. 6. SP is hammered bay vayne. then you vote him. The problem with your theory is that it requires way too much set-up and prediction ability by me for it to work. It relies on two people behaving in a specific way (rayn to switch, vayne to hammer) for it to work, and because the presumption is that FT is on my team, I can at maximum co-ordinate with one of them. | ||
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I would advise you to keep an eye open for those who aren't playing the game as well. | ||
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On October 03 2013 20:59 Oatsmaster wrote: So Palmar, if FT had been lynched and flipped scum, you would totally be under heavy suspicion right? After I switched to shiaopi, I would assume so. | ||
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Also, I'm not lying, I wanted to fuck with rayn cause that's what I do. Probably not the brightest idea in hindsight, but whatever. Obviously, knowing what we know now Shiaopi flipped town, which makes rayn less likely to be scum, hence I'm waffling on a few reads now. | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats pretty dumb Palmar. It's only dumb because I was wrong on Shiaopi. | ||
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On October 03 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats what you get when you dont sheep me. Incidentally, why dont you want to kill FT today? Did I say anywhere I didn't want to? | ||
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But yes, I supported a FT lynch yesterday, I made a dumb last-minute decision and people ran with it. Can you for a second assume I'm town and re-do the day yesterday. Do you think Vayne should be cleared of all suspicion for actually providing the hammer vote? | ||
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I do think it's somewhat irrelevant at the moment though. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote FT | ||
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On October 04 2013 22:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I most want to hear from Palmar who he thinks is scum or I'm completely willing to switch to him, ending his miserable existence. From tonight: On October 02 2013 22:59 Palmar wrote: I really don't know anymore. A few quick thoughts. I'm less sure in my early townreads and more sure in my later ones. Especially I think Koshi, Chairman Ray and Grack are very unlikely scum. VE, Oats, Pandain, WoS more likely than before (but still nowhere near lynch territory, let's say I'm leaning town on them. A quick note on WoS, for someone that was willing to enter an argument early in the game about his proficiency at mafia I don't feel like he is having the influence his own perception of his skill should warrant. If you think you're so good why aren't you trying to lead us? I have still to read CC and the replacements through. I'm assuming at least one if not two scum in there because that's kind of what I do, I always ignore the lay-low scum. SnB still hasn't done jack shit, good candidate for lynching tomorrow. I still think Hiro's entrance into the thread was really awkward and he's not doing much at all, another good lynch. Rayn is a bit of a question mark, he's super reckless (to the point of being willing to die just to make a point, I don't know if he anticipated no one going along with it, or if he just doesn't care). He's doing stupid things, not taking an active stance about anything for the most part except me. I don't really know if all this makes him ballsy scum or reckless town, in both cases he's being very useless. Vayne is another question mark. He's being an asshole about being awful at the game. I have no idea why. He also indicated he's been playing this a long time, which is important because he would probably be pretty towny if he was new to mafia. FT remains a good lynch. And here's my updated reads: I'm going to take Koshi's word for rayn, at this point it should be obvious to everyone koshi is soft-claiming cop and telling us he confirmed rayn last night. CR is the towniest fucker here. I was starting to think Oats might be scum based on his lackluster effort during the shouting match between me and rayn last night, but then he started actually doing things today, so I'm sort of waffling on that. Same about you really, I was ready to call you scum before you started posting today. Maybe one of you guys is scum, I doubt I was wrong on both of you on day 1. Pandain is probably town, his effort level is just too high for him to be scum. I think FT is scum based on all the things I've said about him so far. I think Vayne is scum based on mostly a) the ridiculous plot where he did something dumb, WoS called him out on being dumb, and Vayne claimed it was some kind of a trap. It just makes no sense. And b) I think Vayne's reasoning for switching/hammering Shiaopi yesterday was extremely weak, some kind of a policy. I didn't even notice it at the time (I thought Koshi had brought the hammer on Shiaopi). I think s0lstice is a good candidate for scum, I skimmed his filter and he hasn't really provided us with anything worth keeping him alive. I need to read him more closely to conclude anything and I'm hoping to use the night for that when I don't have to spend my energy defending myself. For some reason I still haven't noticed/read/done anything about CC, I really need to find time to read him through, seeing as I keep ignoring lay-low scum. I had a townread on WoS and I haven't updated that read at all. At quick glance his activity level seems to have dropped. No idea if it's significant, hell, my activity level has dropped. FT should be an auto-lynch today so I suppose there's less to discuss than usual. | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand why FT is an auto-lynch maybe you can walk me through it. Pandain has put a lot of effort into explaining why he thinks FT is in fact town, are you just not going to comment on any of that Palmar? Some of it is pretty convincing, and FT has just like disappeared. Shit, he may even draw a modkill. If he draws a modkill that's fine then. Do you think him disappearing (not that he was ever around much) says anything about his alignment? I haven't read Pandain's arguments in detail, but I'm falling back on what I said about FT on day 1. It still applies, no matter what he has done since. I'll read up on why people think he may be town, but I have an extremely hard time believing that he is. | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: No I don't believe that him disappearing says anything about his alignment. Just like I don't think that my disappearing for a while was alignment indicative. Just like you disappearing wasn't alignment indicative. :/ What really irks me is Wave's insistence on FT tbh. Like, FT is NOTORIOUSLY bad with regard to activity iirc, and he's pretty often suspected as a result. But he's like, literally opting out of discussion today simply to get this lynch that is already happening. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Eh, I had a townread on Wave, I think it is back from day 1 because of his willingness to engage in the conversation. I haven't updated it. Maybe I was wrong, not sure I'm going to filter-dive him today figure out if I am. Also, there's two scumteams, they might both be scum. | ||
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He has already posted this cycle, so he is very much aware of this game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote: What do you mean by planning a vote swing? Should I not have said where I am likely to vote if FT gets modkilled? I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to. I'm replying to Koshi here: On October 04 2013 23:56 Koshi wrote: Yeah, we better prepare a major swing in votes if FT doesn't come back. Will FT be modkilled if he doesn't vote We don't know if FT will be modkilled until the deadline, we don't know if he'll come in and last-minute vote until then. So if we swing the votes say... 2 minutes before the deadline, he might come in and save himself from the modkill, forcing us to lynch him tomorrow instead. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:28 austinmcc wrote: And scum only defend scumbuddies! They never defend townies. Trying not to play the "toss everything Palmar says on the scummy pile" game, but this statement is just lazy/bad/anti-town. I guarantee you FT doesn't have magical powers where his being alive prevents people from posting, from reading, from doing anything. If he survives another 18,000 nights, we'll all have the capacity to read and post. Sure, but motivation goes down when you're just default-lynching. Discussion decreases too. I cba going back to other games where there is a default lynch (cop check, confirmed scum etc) to see if I'm actually right, but I have a strong feeling it does. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I could probably lynch rayn too. Just throwin that out there. Probably a bad idea, our double-soft-claim-cop is calling him 100% guarantee town. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote: Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop. Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention? He's making no effort at hiding it. I think it's dumb to assume scum just ignores the thread. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm used to a town s0lstice being more verbose and transparent with his thought process than I'm seeing here, to be frank. It's cause he's scum... duh | ||
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